FlowaMasta's Methodology @ How to Grow Monster pound plants!!! ( Jack H X Skunk )

Amazing setup, one day ill grow the balls and attempt it but until then im sticking with pro-mix. Quick question, have you ever grown a single plant in that space using a soiless system? I always grow 2-4 plants but always wondered what would be possible with a single plant in pro mix. What would the veg time be compared to perlite with a promix or coco based setup?

Nice grow you got going on. I see the insulated ducting, that I am assuming is, around an inline fan connected to that carbon filter. I am wondering why you have it like that. Is it for noise dampening? I have never seen anyone do it like that. Wondering how efficient it is? If it is for something else I am also interested. Thanks for posting up the pics amigo! Peace

n2

My feeding methods...

The sock stops the perlite and hydroton from falling through into the bottom pot where the nutrient flows back through and returns down into the reservoir. I feed from the same res, and it recirculates feeding at the top of the pot via a 10 inch feed ring. My pump is a 1000 litre per hour and cycles for 15 minutes every 2 hours, well 4 actually at the moment, she is quite cool in the tent.

Where the pot sock is, think of it as a coffee filter it just holds the medium in, because the pot it is in has 4 large drain holes allowing the nutrient to be free and flowing as it passes through the perlite, the system will be recirculating before half the pot is soaked. This is all automatically fed via a 'pin timer' there is a pin every 15 minutes on the timer... lots of little pins, every 2-4 hours whatever needed i click 1 pin down, it will feed for 15 minutes only at each pin interval.

Originally Posted by CaliMackdaddy

Amazing setup, one day ill grow the balls and attempt it but until then im sticking with pro-mix. Quick question, have you ever grown a single plant in that space using a soiless system? I always grow 2-4 plants but always wondered what would be possible with a single plant in pro mix. What would the veg time be compared to perlite with a promix or coco based setup?

Good question thanx for being here also! i myself have only used coco, and potting mix in the past with only outdoor plants, i am fairly new to indoor growing and got taught by an absolute genius. I have also twisted it quite a bit to suit my own growing style. I love scrogging, LSTying, and training, anything to make my plant do exactly what i want it to do.
Now with the speeds of certain mediums, i would say anything that would come close to perlite would have to be hydroton, or coco. It is quite a simple answer, i can safely say now there is no quicker way to grow than with perlite, for decades in some countries perlite is plentiful where gardens are grown in nothing but, to produce the most massive, fast growing plants many have ever seen. Coco comes close if done with GOOD nutrients from what i've seen, but as for bugs and stuff, i stay clear, people say to prepare for bugs..... Well, Perlite is a preventative. Nothing can survive in that besides plant roots/organisms. It's also very clean, inert, stable and supremely easy to flush. I always get told my erb tastes fantastic, and most of the time better than anything getting round my parts So i'm sorry i can't conclude exactly on what i think of other mediums, but when i have found such one that does an awesome job, i minimize my research and focus on something else.
I never Veg for any more than 29 days, given my inspection time, this allows my sufficient time to complete ripening and have time to dry and cure before another inspection. I have now learnt to carefully perpetually grow some small plants in a cardboard box recently and have had marvelous results ( currently the new Jack is 1 of them )

Give it a go sometime, chuck a couple of clones in some different mediums, 1 perlite, 1 coco, have a watch using the same nutes for each, i think you will find perlite even transitions so much more quickly because there is nothing for the roots to adjust to, straight to a clean moist atmosphere ready for growing roots. 2-3 days tops and you will see sufficient growth. There will be a small delay of initial small transplant shock, as i had a huuuuge rootball and it was attached to the small pot it was growing in, and had to trim some excess. I'm in front, thats all that counts so much so, this will be over before my chicks bad mood

Originally Posted by n2batpoo

Nice grow you got going on. I see the insulated ducting, that I am assuming is, around an inline fan connected to that carbon filter. I am wondering why you have it like that. Is it for noise dampening? I have never seen anyone do it like that. Wondering how efficient it is? If it is for something else I am also interested. Thanks for posting up the pics amigo! Peace

n2

THAT IS AN AWESOME QUESTION!!! Thankyou for asking. Now i used to have my fan on top of my tent pulling air out and then a 180* turn back down into the carbon filter... This got me thinking as most things usually do. Also took alot of equations to try and work out the quickest most efficient method of replacing my air in my tent. The other way was far too restricted with the tight angles and my head kept telling me that it would pull alot more efficiently if i could have the fan closer to the filter, still sucking air from the tent. Now my air-cooled hood also has a 6.5 inch brushless fan inside installed, which keeps temps very stable at around 22-23 degrees in 20 degrees ambient. The insulated ducting is exactly for that purpose. For noise canceling. Now some people are ok with this. Me i'm OCD slightly, i have grown to like all my fans running, but recently after having them all running constantly for nearly 2 years they have begun to drill a 'certain' frequency into my head. I tried, tested, failed many times, thinking i was going mad. It seems as though if the fan has no ducting on the inlet side (pulling air) it circulates the wind somehow, and drives me ABSOLUTELY BONKERS!! This new setup has 100% eliminated it and pulls the air even more efficiently with only 1 slight bend in the foil ducting, straight into the filter, and then my large 40cm Heller fan blows it out of the room to be then exhausted out of the house via my second carbon filter in the roof. I grow skunk, it's my poison if you will I take lots of precautions. The hotter it is, the skunkier my strains seem to smell. The 6 inch fan is actually a centrifugal +/- fan which never loses suction, i believe it's rated at over 500cfm. With the filter, and air hood, it balances great, sound is fairly minimal considering i'm running nearly 300 watts of fans ( 5 in total ) Loving the new tent, concealing almost everything including sound! As this is in a house, we occasionally get visitors, It can be a bit lout at night time, so a kitchen fan or something to drown it out usually, We are both used to it

I'm a happy man!

AWESOME! Thanks for your time and info! Winter is right around the corner, I love my outdoor stuff, but would love a small personal setup to also keep. Sub--Rep

Great thread I will be following along for sure! I just made my return to scrogging tired of growing leaves and not bud! My current setup 4x4 screen 1000 hps ,bump out screen is 2x3 lit by a 400 halide I run all organic. i will agree on hempy buckets ability to super charge plant growth was one of my first technique's i learned as a youngun but i love me some tasty ass organic grown!current pic 2 mainlined girls in back doing their stretch yoga lessons Not sure if you have checked out Nugbuckets mainling yet Flowa but i think it's something you will like.100_3548.jpg100_3560.jpg

Hey FlowaMasta - You know I am subbed! Your new tent rocks! And the baby is so vigorous Are you still drying your harvest? Any pics?


I can't wait to try this method with an OG cut from PO. I hope LordJin can get me an elite cut If not I am thinking of trying some of the Holy Smoke Kush seeds.

I had to replace my pool filter because the valve on the bottom had broken. This thing is at least 20 years old and it is made out of stainless steel and it holds 120 L! I think I will use this as my outer tank and I will get a nice 40 L or larger stainless steel pot for my inner pot for my perlite. Still working it out in my brain.

It rained hard here today. It broke three of the big branches on the WOG I put stakes up and got the branches back in place. I have had good results using this method before so I am not too worried about them dying. It was nice to handle some of those huge colas. I shook off the rain and was covered with ice water resin! The colas were soooooo heavy and smelled like cedar. The big clone is pretty well staked already so it just had some droopy little branches and some of the heads were bent over. I will post some pictures later.

In a couple of days the wind will switch from the ocean to the desert and we will have hot dry whipping winds. I need to buy more stakes!


Cheers,
Mo

Flowa you seriously are a fuckin legend! If everyone learns the way you do it, there will be some very very happy people smokin some delicious buds! Hats off to you my friend and i will be hitting this method with my next grow...im actually getting excited about it

cheers for the excellent and thorough explanation, i'll be printing this out fo sho'

Originally Posted by Xub420

AWESOME! Thanks for your time and info! Winter is right around the corner, I love my outdoor stuff, but would love a small personal setup to also keep. Sub--Rep

Summer round the corner here A Hot one at that i think.

Originally Posted by ThegrowerMOJO

Great thread I will be following along for sure! I just made my return to scrogging tired of growing leaves and not bud! My current setup 4x4 screen 1000 hps ,bump out screen is 2x3 lit by a 400 halide I run all organic. i will agree on hempy buckets ability to super charge plant growth was one of my first technique's i learned as a youngun but i love me some tasty ass organic grown!current pic 2 mainlined girls in back doing their stretch yoga lessons Not sure if you have checked out Nugbuckets mainling yet Flowa but i think it's something you will like.100_3548.jpg100_3560.jpg

That's the spirit it's scrog or nothin in hydro!? silly not to in my opinion. Those lamps are great 10 inches away, but 2 feet away, they're nothing like the sun. Fact

Originally Posted by Mohican

Hey FlowaMasta - You know I am subbed! Your new tent rocks! And the baby is so vigorous Are you still drying your harvest? Any pics?


I can't wait to try this method with an OG cut from PO. I hope LordJin can get me an elite cut If not I am thinking of trying some of the Holy Smoke Kush seeds.

I had to replace my pool filter because the valve on the bottom had broken. This thing is at least 20 years old and it is made out of stainless steel and it holds 120 L! I think I will use this as my outer tank and I will get a nice 40 L or larger stainless steel pot for my inner pot for my perlite. Still working it out in my brain.

It rained hard here today. It broke three of the big branches on the WOG I put stakes up and got the branches back in place. I have had good results using this method before so I am not too worried about them dying. It was nice to handle some of those huge colas. I shook off the rain and was covered with ice water resin! The colas were soooooo heavy and smelled like cedar. The big clone is pretty well staked already so it just had some droopy little branches and some of the heads were bent over. I will post some pictures later.

In a couple of days the wind will switch from the ocean to the desert and we will have hot dry whipping winds. I need to buy more stakes!


Cheers,
Mo

Hey Mo!! My last harvest is well and truly dry now, and well into it's final curing stage, i'd get some fresh pics for ya right now, but mrs asleep and getting the jars out requires a bit of noise and effort at this hour So just incase you missed a few i'll throw in some recent primo nug pics for you

Regarding your stainless tank... in my opinion, i would stick with plastic, as it will be non-reactive with anything you put in your system. Stainless steel is quite active and chemical reactions will most likely occur at some stage... not to mention temperature variations. Also the inside pot must sit flush with the outer pot, a small tiny gap is ok for you to see the top edge for when you flush, but the majority of the pot should fit nice and snug, and leave a small gap at the bottom. You should be able to hear it trickling down into the bottom pot as you feed.

Originally Posted by eastcoastmo

Flowa you seriously are a fuckin legend! If everyone learns the way you do it, there will be some very very happy people smokin some delicious buds! Hats off to you my friend and i will be hitting this method with my next grow...im actually getting excited about it

cheers for the excellent and thorough explanation, i'll be printing this out fo sho'

LOL thanx man, you are too kind though! i'm just getting the word out. Someone's gotta!!! If you need any more info let me know. I can miss things as some things are just routine. Enjoy my pics of last Hrvest... some anyway. Pleeeeenty left, and smells like rotten eggs almost with a hint of mint. I have big plans for alot of the Jack fluff I got soo much primo stuff i can do whatever, and soooo much sugar trim i still gotta bubble up. There is a damn rip in my 20 micron bag right down the damn bottom. So i will have to filter slowly and a bit at a time. Damn it. I'll have to order some more. Can't go without me bubble! Just too good!!








Just incase a few people missed what's to come Last harvest was 649 grams total. Jack no. 1 weighed in at 600...ish, i will have to check that it might of been a bit less maybe 550