First Grow EVER! Not A Game, it's real, fucking, LIFE!

laserbrn said:

I have been EXACTLY where you are now. Stores don't carry even a simple fucking box fan in the winter. As a matter of fact if my box fan dies in my grow room I'll be up shit creek.

Don't listen to the guy about the thermometer thing, he's just a wee bit, I dunno, wrong. Not only do I keep a thermometer telling me the ambient temperature in the room, I have a chain that hangs down from my light and 18" down that chain hangs....another thermometer. This one is telling me the temperature 18" from my light which is as useful if not more useful than the ambient temperature. I have done this for years and don't believe it has ever given me false readings. Thermometers don't give "false" readings because they are under a light, I don't even know where the logic COULD be in that. I try to keep the temperature under my light at canopy height between 82 and 86 degrees.

This thermometer basically sets my canopy height. I'm using a 1000w light, and flower at night so that the cool night air that I intake can cool my light and grow room down. Some nights it's a little warmer so I will either dim the ballast and lower the light or I raise the light a little and move my canopy closer to 24". When the night temps get REALLY cold I do the opposite, but it is all based on the info from the thermometer hanging under my light. Having that information has allowed me to maximize my light usage over the years.

You will need to get a 400w light much closer to 12" if you want useful buds when it's all said and done. I think that the real problem you are facing is that you a need an inline fan and a carbon filter. You'll need these items to flower successfully anyway and it's the proper way to vent your grow space. If you have an air cooled light hood it would help too, but on a 400w it's not really necessary.

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A sane man Well, I don't really have as much control over my grow space as you do. Pretty much working with the bare essentials here (besides a fan of course lol). Worst case scenario, if I don't get one this weekend, I'll get one next week on payday. I'm sure it will fix my heat problems. Ambient room temp, like ive said so many times already to these fools, is 80 degrees. With some air circulation in there I should see a pretty good drop in temps. Especially with a winter breeze coming in. I'll never really be able to do proper ventilation of my grow as I am a renter and can't do the kind of modifications I would like to the house It is also kind of a stealth grow so I need my closet readily closeable.

Anyway, thank you for the insight

BTW, I shall upload pics once a week (my only source of internet at the moment is my phone which is slow as fuck).
Unless of course I need to to diagnose any unforeseen problems.

I know exactly how growing like that is. Fortunately in this grow my window was close to the TV that you see here. I would run a hose up to the window as discretely as possible. I would basically only run it out the window at night, during the day I'd have the lights out and move the hose in so it all packed up nice and neat. My roommate didn't even know at the time.

I actually found the old thread from back in the day a few days ago to help someone else with a stealth/sneaky type of grow.

laserbrn said:

I know exactly how growing like that is. Fortunately in this grow my window was close to the TV that you see here. I would run a hose up to the window as discretely as possible. I would basically only run it out the window at night, during the day I'd have the lights out and move the hose in so it all packed up nice and neat. My roommate didn't even know at the time.

I actually found the old thread from back in the day a few days ago to help someone else with a stealth/sneaky type of grow.


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Yea that's a cool little setup there Could be plausible for me as well. However maybe next time around. These plants growth have already been stunted for nearly a month now and basically their whole life thus far because of the high heat. Of course I didn't expect to master it my first time around, but I could've done better that's for sure. It is a learning process. Next time I'll try for more perfect conditions. My goal for this grow is a half pound. That, to me, would be a successful first grow. Doesn't seem too farfetched either.

Alright I believe I'm starting to see the adverse effects of my heat problem. Leaves on all my plants are turning wrinkly with a shiny plastic-like quality to them. Is this a problem? They aren't too dry or brittle at all. Just my luck my friend totaled his car on friday and wasn't able to bring me the fan he was gonna let me borrow. Now I gotta wait til friday to buy one myself. Should I lower my plants for the time being even though they're already too far away (18in from tops)?

Pics of said leaves:


It is only the top leaves. The rest of the leaves are normal.

Updated Plants pic at 27 days. Getting too big for individual shots now. Invading eachother.


Any help appreciated to calm my worrying ass lol

Got my temps down to a solid 85 (still a lil high I know). Last night it hit 102 (fucking YIKES) so I immediately moved them further from the light. Had no choice but to do so. Just hope they don't stretch too much for the time being.

laserbrn said:

Thermometers don't give "false" readings because they are under a light,

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Pretty sure my greenhouse doesen't hit 48 degrees celcius in the summer, when my thermometer is in direct sunlight, compared to the one sitting in the plant pots shaded from direct light showing a more reasonable 28 or 32.

The plastic, metals and whatnot of your thermometer absorb the infrared radiation and stores up heat, heat that is not representative of the overall temperature in your room/greenhouse.

Afka said:

Pretty sure my greenhouse doesen't hit 48 degrees celcius in the summer, when my thermometer is in direct sunlight, compared to the one sitting in the plant pots shaded from direct light showing a more reasonable 28 or 32.

The plastic, metals and whatnot of your thermometer absorb the infrared radiation and stores up heat, heat that is not representative of the overall temperature in your room/greenhouse.

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You are talking about putting a direct thermometer probe in direct sunlight. That doens't really equate to the amount of radiation and absorption 18" in from a grow light. In MOST cases the actual probe from the thermometer is enclosed and it will correct for this. The thermometer itself is inside of an enclosure and that enclosure allows air to pass through it. That air is measured. The actual probe is not directly under sunlight where it will suffer this problem.

I will agree that setting the thermometer down may not be the best way to get a reading. A lot of heat could be absorbed by the item that you are setting the item on (think concrete) and it would give a false reading. That's why I suspend mine between the light and the floor to get a more accurate reading.

The idea is to get some perspective of the temperature DIRECTLY below the center of the light at the height of the canopy. Measuring ambient temperature away from the light is going to be less accurate for reading that information.

Goddamn thermometer drama still for fuck sake? I got a fan just now by the way My fucking upstairs roommate had one this whole time. He's just the kind of guy who is never there so I don't bother. Except for right now. Finally cool down these poor bastards and get back on track

Guess you opened yourself up to that abuse on this board....and it goes with the kind of folks here. I have seen some pretty incredible grows here and I bet there are a lot of egos behind that. The entire thermometer thing is amusing however it is a very simple thing really...and it's printed right on the package most therometers come it ( I am a amature weather spotter for NOAA) the readings in direct sunlight are always off depending on what the probe is made of HENCE you always have a "in the shade" reading which is more accurate--all a waiste of hostility -- save it on someone that truly deserves it---as far as your situation goes -- without circulation you will have hotspots and uneven temps all around--heat will pool --- mini thermals so to speak so good that you are moving air - the more air you move the better maybe get some hamsters and teach them to wave fans --(JK) -- plants tend to show what affects them sometime after whatever it is ---example I have burned up a plant with CFL in a couple of hours becasue it fell on the plant kind of a direct thing but heat stress may never really show as you may think your strain is doing good -- but if you grew 2 grows with the same genectics one at 75 and one at 85 then maybe you could see some diffrence ( I do plan on doing that here soon after I have calibrated my growing areas--keep an eye out!) - the pictures you showed look great -- yes their may be a little heat stress and they will develop like they are overlaping to protect itself from heat but also pot grows like that they will expand 30% or more after they emerge -- overall they look great -- makes no diff how close you keep the lights to the top of the canopy .. as long as you keep it cool..I run 400 HIDS and many CFL's but I have as many fans as I can beg borrow and steal (my temp ranges from 77 to 85 but I have a lot of wind and I go down to as low as 55 at night..I believe in that nature shit -- if mother nature does to her kids then the bitch must know something I don't!) -- it's cold here too and most people have no room for junk and put fans out on the street to get rid of-- thats how I got mine -- keep up the good work --BTW -- you are smoking way too much good shit to think you will get anything named "pound" out of that setup-- it's the big joke about getting started and most people think big which is good -- but if you do really well 1oz to 3oz per plant may be possible so you could get close but I would as many have said not worry about yield and listen to your plants ..I enclosed a picture of how close my lights are .....you can see my lights are just about touching my plants...but keep up the good work -- after a nice finish all the assholes and haters here will have to admit that if they were in your shoes they would probally be toking on some of the sweet shit you will harvesting -- and with a great stone -- you will get respect -- keep it going looking good --BTW - if you can don't go to far above 85 thats pushing it - if you have too and can't do much about growing at 85+ try some sativa crosses that like the heat -- always more then one way to roll that joint !

My temps are under control now. Don't even hit 80 anymore Got a solid 75 throughout today. They are still rather dry but not brittle and still as green as ever.

How did you determine that 75 was optimum temp. I thought 80's was a good thing?

Dont Fear The Reefer said:

How did you determine that 75 was optimum temp. I thought 80's was a good thing?

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Well it's hard to determine ANYTHING really with so many different opinions on how to do everything. From what I've read and what I've been told 75-80 is where it should be. Which mine do seem to be doing better than they were so I shall keep it here for now and watch them closely.

Edit: Also an update they seem to be putting more energy into the middle foliage now. Not getting much taller just short and bushy. Judging by this and the broader leaves I figure they're mainly Indica yes? I will probably start flowering soon come 5 weeks of veg.

thats whats up. hows the humidity now?

400aZip said:

thats whats up. hows the humidity now?

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Don't have a way of measuring but how much humidity should there be? I'm guessing there is very little in there. It's frigid cold outside right now.

I think I read about 50-70% I bought a humidifier. and it provides a little heat

Will need to do something about humidity. Fan makes it extra dry in there. It's not even pointed at the plants. Been misting them at night, and put the fan on the light timer as well. Slowly but surely the leaves are re-hydrating.

Tonight will be the first night of 12 hours off starting the flowering cycle. Changed res water yesterday. 1/4 bloom nutes today. Will add 1/4 a day.


Day 32. Getting bushier and bushier


I rotated them to more evenly interlock eachother.

You know, when you actually do something, the plants are a lot bigger than you pictured LOL.

HGang a wet toel suspended in a bowl in there and let fan blow on that too. It will help. Redneck Humidfier.

here's an example:
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But you want all of the towel exposed, just the tip hanging in the water.

Dont Fear The Reefer said:

HGang a wet toel suspended in a bowl in there and let fan blow on that too. It will help. Redneck Humidfier.

here's an example:
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But you want all of the towel exposed, just the tip hanging in the water.

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Ah yes good shit. I already have an extra tub in there. Simply put a towel in it. Its brilliance, is in its simplicity!

Low air humidity is not the problem here. In fact a low humidity at this point is just a good indicator that you're not losing to much of your reservoir to evaporation.

You can grow pot in a room/tent that is constantly being vented out and it grows great. It likes dry air. When they get larger they will start sweating out much more moisture on their own and that's when you may get into a situation where it is too humid.

But low air humidity when they are at that age shouldn't cause them to fade very much. They should be able to draw all the moisture they need from the roots.

MojoResin said:

Low air humidity is not the problem here. In fact a low humidity at this point is just a good indicator that you're not losing to much of your reservoir to evaporation.

You can grow pot in a room/tent that is constantly being vented out and it grows great. It likes dry air. When they get larger they will start sweating out much more moisture on their own and that's when you may get into a situation where it is too humid.

But low air humidity when they are at that age shouldn't cause them to fade very much. They should be able to draw all the moisture they need from the roots.

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I was just worried about them as they were getting QUITE dry. Not sure how dry is too dry. They are still looking healthy and green though.