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I'll tag along for the ride
Scarhole's Perpetual Grow
Greetings an Hallucinations.
This will hopefully be a perpetual grow with the goal to give me free weed, show the masses how I do it, an give some smoke reports.
Ill be running LOTS of strains, an have lots of pics.
Any coments or questions welcome.
I will be grown in my lil outdoor cab, 3 ft wide x 2 ft tall x 2 ft deep.
Im using a 150w hps , an a 175 w MH for lighs, an few cfl.
And trying a bit of guerilla grown also.
Hears a pic of the last grow.
It was a sog that got spider mites so i pulled the plug an started fresh.
Love this pic of the Motivation from last grow.
I am planning on only having 4 plants total (5+ plants =11 1/2 yrs here!) .
They will be vegged for 2 monthes, an flowered for 2.
Every month ill harvest a plant an start a new plant.
If they yield an Oz each Ill be set up perpetual free budz.
More tomarrow..........
Last edited by SCARHOLE; 01-25-2011 at 05:25 AM.
I'll tag along for the ride
Hello Grumpy, Im trying your "Zero Stress Training" on a lil clone. good to have you along.
seeds, arrived from Attitude yesterday after a slight delay. They no longer take Visa Prepaid CC on the net. You got to call the card # in on the phone.
> Hi There, Mr SCARHOLE
> we do not accept pre paid visas online, this is why it is still await
> payment. Please send me the card details and I will process this for you.
> Apologies for any inconvenience.
>
> Many Thanks,
> Best Wishes For The New Year,
> Jodie @ The Attitude
>
Heres what Ill be growing this year.
Lemon skunk -GHS
Bubba Kush -GHS
Ceres skunk
Green bud -CH9
Cheese -Budda
Prure AK-Female Seed co
WhiteWiddow X BigBud -FSC
Bubble gummer -FSC
Widowrella (widow x c99)-FSC
Skunk#1-White label
Red Cherry Berry -Barneys Farm
Orange Bud -Dutch passion
Power Skunk Cannabia
BlueBerry Gum-G13
Pineapple Exp-G13 x2
Osiris (ak)-Pyarmid
Tutenkamen (ww x ak)-pyarmid
Anestesia -Pyramid
(I LOVE THE SINGLE seeds, Variety is the spice of life)
$120 US
Last edited by SCARHOLE; 01-25-2011 at 05:37 AM.
Trainaing
Currently in the Cab I have 4 plants.
Cronic- Serious seeds-28 days old from seed. I Topped at 3rd node at 18 days.
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SharksBreath- DnA, 28 days, using LST to wrap her in a circle befor flowering= (CCOB)
The sharksbreath has 6-7 nodes an is only 4-5 in tall, with a stem like a pencil.
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This is a very special plant, called "Purple MTN Berry Diesel". From the wonderful state of Colorados gifted breeders. Shes not fem, but shes a hermi seed.
One day old, Happy birthday baby
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This a Motivation clone Lagger, I kept incase attitudes seeds got siezed in NY by customs. And to try Grumpy old Dreamers "Zeros stress Training" ,2 monthes old, lol, clones from flowering plants are slow as hell.
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I plan to try alot of different techniques for training to see what works best for me.
I always keep the lights close in my sealed cab (4in ish) an on for 24hrs,so i can avoid stretch an grow lots of roots.
I Have about 11 inches for vertical growth from the 2.5 gal buckets rim to glass, I got to keep em low.
And Veg for 2 monthes lol.
Ill also be experimenting with...
Topping
Lst
Super croping (if i get to much stretch in flower).
Grumpy old Dreamers "Zeros stress Training"
My Diy Party cup "Air Pruning Pots",
Hobbes "CCOB =circle crop of bud" And his "DIY Air pruning Buckes,
"Make it rain" by RIddleme
More details soon........
Last edited by SCARHOLE; 01-25-2011 at 05:38 AM.
Great selection of strains - your medicine cabinet will be well stockedOriginally Posted by SCARHOLE
Training pt2
Let me get into more details on the above mentioned techiques.
I was planing a SCROG, but I want a perpetual harvest with alot of variety an low numbers. Scrogs im my cab would be hard cause i can only acess it from one side.
CCOB= Circle Crop Of BUD
So I was back to training, when resrearhing her I found the perfect one.
Low height, long,veg time for big buds, low numbers
http://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/360125-new-growers-needed-grow-lab.html
The information contained is incredible.
Im Basicaly following the Great grower HOBBES insturctions to circle the plants CCOB.
Hoping for plants that look like this....
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Air pruning/ Diy Air Pots
295tx4x.jpgHobbes also convinced me to try Air Pruning the roots.
Heres a video explaining them....
You got to read all this also, lol.
http://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/303229-diy-air-pruning-pot-experiment.html
He reports 25% more yield with em, a great test!
He proves they stop the "circle of death" root bind.
Just drill holes line the pot with screen/landscape fabric an bam health roots.
I make lil ones by stabbing holes in a styrafoam party cup.
Photo0107..jpgSee its my 1st attempt at ZST.
Zero Stress Training.
"What the fuck is ZSTing you may ask?
ZERO STRESS TRAINING
I attach a training frame made from galvanised wire to my pots (which are square pots) and then I lay the pots on their side and the plants bend towards the light ... then I attach them to the frame.
I exert ZERO stress on the plant and cannot break or snap the plant.
Once they are attached to the frame I can stand the pot upright (for a few days) and lay it down again later."
Grumy old dreamer.
http://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/383356-topping-vs-lst-vs-natural.html
Elegantly simple.
Remember i plus rept you after you shared that with me back in Nov. Dreamer. lol
Make it rain. by Riddleme
"As promised here is an explanation of my technique
It is all about how mother nature does things and with her being the absolute best gardener there is I set out to copy her style.
The PH of rain (in most places) is 5.6 so I PH my water to 5.8, to understand why you need to understand how everything works in nature and why they say soil is a buffer. This is why soil PH is somewhat important because when it is dry the PH should be around 7 or neutral. When it rains the soil takes on the wet PH of the water in the case of rain it is lowered. The acidic nature of rain activates things in the soil basically processing avaiable nutes and making them available to the plants. But at the low PH the plants can't get at them, I have attached a photo showing at what PH level the different nutes become available to the plant.
What happens is the plant is basically drowing and starving when it rains so it goes into hyperdrive to wick the water out of the ground in order to survive, Know that they transpire anyway but much harder when it rains. As they do this the soil buffers back to it's original PH slowly and as this happens nutes become available to the plant in the various ranges. (one reason you see more growth on the second day)
Most soil growers will PH their water and nutes down in the low 6's and as high as 6.8 but this does not give the hyperdrive wicking effect, they will just transpire normally and slowly if you do this. Hence the growth you see in my pics from making it rain because I basically only let them rest for one day (to dry out and get O2) between making it rain and it is very important to know how to read them to know that this is where things are at otherwise you will easily fall into the overwater trap and cause them stress and harm possibly even kill them.
It is also important that they have a healthy root system in order to be able to wick the water out of the ground faster. TIP, if they are growing fast and wanting water in short periods of time you know you have healthy roots part of learning how to read them and one of the things to be aware of.
This is also the reason that I use chemical nutes as they are readily available to the plant right away as the wicking process goes through the various PH ranges getting back to neutral, it is a slower process with organic nutes as the rain activates and the little mico critters eat and poop processing the nutes so the plant can use them.
now you must also understand that adding chem nutes lowers the PH of your soil with accumulated salt build ups, when you make it rain everytime you are basically doing what we call the flush (though in the other than MJ world it is most commonly reffered as leeching the soil) and washing unused nutes (salts) out of the soil thus allowing you to repeat the process all over again without having to worry about salt building up. Yet another reason that it is slower when going organic cause you are washing mico's out as well and then waiting for them to multiply back up and this is why I use Jack's because it is one of the best chem nutes available on the market today. JR Peters has a very good reputation and has been one of the best nutes for agriculture and gardening for many years.
The process for container gardening is simple you make it rain with the low PH water and the plant goes into hyperdrive, you watch the top 3 inches of soil for drying out and when it does you feed them nutes but only till you see a slight runoff insuring that the pot is now full of nutes. Plant remains in hyperdrive and now feeds off the readily available nutes, you then wait till the soil dries and repeat. While the process is very simple it is the learning to read them that can be complicated and cause confusion. Learning/knowing when to do things is the most important part of the process. It is also important not to overfeed them which causes nute burn and other problems, thus the reason we start out with 1/4 of what the nute package says and slowly work our way up to discover what the plant can handle.
Last edited by SCARHOLE; 01-25-2011 at 05:31 AM.
Soil
Heres my fav mix, Did the best for my clone experiments. Its cheep an local.
Miraical Grow Organic 60% -1 med bag (NO NUTES FOR 3WKS,IT HAS SOME IN IT)
Miracal grow perilite 30% -1small bag
Composted cow manure 10% -1/3 of the perilite bag.
2 Powderd 800 mg calcium vitaman per 5 gal.
This makes a very light soil. Be ready to water more often.
I add a layer of fiber glass screen to the top soil, to slow the top soils evaporation cause this soil dries fast.
About every 4-5 days I haveto water the lil Cronic an Sharksbreath in there 2.5 gal buckets.
The roots love this loose mix an go nuts.
The only thing my nutes lack is calcium, so I add some. Egg shell would work also.
The manure adds some N, but its main purpose is to intoduce mircobes to the sterile MG soil. Then I use Humatic acid in the first watering..
"Humic acid is effective at improving the quality of all types of soils, especially clay and sandy soils and organically deficient soils. The introduction of humic acid to clay or other compacted soils, results in the break-up of these soils allowing for greater water and root penetration. In sandy soils, humic acid adds vital organic material back into the soil, which allows for improved water retention and deeper root development, both of which are lacking on sandy soils.
Humic acid also plays a critical role in the ability of the plants to uptake nutrients. Humic acid has the ability to unlock nutrients in the soil that would otherwise be unavailable to the plant, while also providing the transport mechanism making these nutrients readily available. On a microbial level, humic acid stimulates the beneficial activities of naturally occurring soil microbes. These soil microbes are responsible for solubilizing minerals and nutrients so that they can then be stored by the humic acid and in turn be made available to the plant. Soil microbes are also responsible for the continued production of humus in the soil and the improvement of the soil structure.
With all of the talk of nutrients and humic acid, it could be easy to get it confused with a fertilizer. Humic acid is not a traditional fertilizer, as it does not directly provide nutrients for the plant. However, it should be used as a complement to help improve the fertilizer use and in the long run reduce the need for constant fertilization."
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/benefits-of-humic-acid-as-a-soil-conditioner.html
I bought "Humate" brand 7$ at the farm supply store here, use as directed.
Nutes
For nutes I use Miracal Gro allpurpose (veg) an bloombooster for flowering.
I have used em forever an love em.
I start em off with 1/4 stength 3-4 weeks tell I know they can take more.
Ususaly every 4-5 days they need wateriing, every other water I feed em. Its strong shit, so read the directon, on the box or website.
Miracal grow has most micro nutes in it. But no listing for Calcium.. Heres the ingredience....
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Nitrogen
Miracle-Gro contains 24 percent nitrogen. Nitrogen gives plants energy to grow and produce foliage. Too little can lead to stunted growth and pale green or yellow leaves.
Phosphate
The available phosphate is 8 percent. Phosphate is a phosphorous compound that helps plants resist stress, grow quickly, increase blooms and build strong roots. Too little phosphate will lead to red or purple leaves and decreased growth.
Potash
The soluble potash is 16 percent. Potash (potassium) helps with disease immunity, photosynthesis and increased fruit production. Too little can reduce plants' vigor, leaving them susceptible to disease and poor output.
Boron
Actual boron content is 0.02 percent. Boron is vital for producing sugar and carbohydrates in the plant, as well as seed and fruit development. Too little boron will cause small leaves and heart rot.
Copper
Actual copper content is 0.07 percent. Copper helps plants reproduce, build strong cell walls and reduce radicals. A deficiency will lead to stunted growth, bluish-green veins and poor tissue development.
Iron
The actual chelated iron is 0.15 percent. Iron helps in the formation of chlorophyll. If your plants have yellow leaves with green veins, they aren't receiving enough iron.
Manganese
The chelated actual manganese is 0.05 percent. Manganese helps plants breakdown carbohydrates and nitrogen. Too little manganese will lead to stunted growth and mottled yellow and white leaves.
Molybdenum
Actual molybdenum content is 0.0005 percent. Molybdenum helps in the breakdown of nitrogen.
Zinc
Actual zinc content is 0.06 percent. Zinc helps plants regulate their growth and sugar consumption. Too little zinc will lead to small, yellow leaves and low yields.
EDTA
The minimum amount of EDTA, a chelating agent, is 1.2 percent. Chelates are a chemical compound that play a vital role in oxygen transport and photosynthesis.
http://www.gardenguides.com/101419-miracle-gro-ingredients.html#ixzz1BxGpcrCO
Last edited by SCARHOLE; 01-25-2011 at 05:08 AM.
As most people (not just us cannabis growers) would water plants with tap water, there is no need to have a listing for calcium. Most tap waters have plenty of calcium.
It looks like we are similar in that we like to play with girls - there's certainly more to growing dope than just smoking the buds.
Clones for the Guerilla grow.
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The lil Cronic has been selected to make clones for my outdoor/guerilla grow.
(I Know, its more than 4 plants, I got to get em outdoors asap)
After Horrible losses last year (harvested 5, lost 20) I will be using clones for the outdoor, so im not out kind seeds if they get eaten.
She had 8 tops/branches, I only need 4 for its CCOB training indoor, so off with her heads so shell put all her energy into the 4 tops left.
Cloning
1. I cut off a branch at a 45' with a razor blade.
2. Then I spit the stem down the middle about 1/4 inch.
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3. Now I dip the stem in a product called "Bondie tomato bloom set spray"
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It contains a hormone called "Kinetin" that promotes cell divisoin.
( Interestingly it was discovered from autoclaved herring sperm DNA that had cell division-promoting activity WTF?)
They use Kinetin to keep cell cultures an root samples alive in lab.
This stuff is Awsome at keeping new clones happy. An making the roots take off.
They usualy hardly even get droopy an sad looking with it.
I also spray the cut sites on the mama.
4. Now dip the spit stem in the rooting powder.
And put a pinch on the top of the soil.
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5. Now just put em in the soil, compress it around the stem, you dont want any air.
6. Water em lightly ,keep em under 24 hrs light.
7. Put em in a ziplock bag an seal it up. After a week i crack the top to get the humidity down a bit.
8. I spay with water often an use realy light nutes to foliar freed a bit after twards the end.
And in 2-3 weeks they should be ready.
Theyll perk up, turn green again an start grown you will know when they are done.
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Now I will take the 4 branches left an train em in a low cirlcle around the edge of the bucket.
Heres a pick of the Cronic after the hair cut.
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* a note on the Bondie bloom set spray- DONT USE AS DIRECTED.
I tried it on a lil branch of my automaria in late flower (6-7th week?), the tricks went from clear to white over night.
An kinda slowed its growth?
It tasted great. Not sure what it means?
I basicaly use it for clones an injurys.
Last edited by SCARHOLE; 01-25-2011 at 06:35 AM.
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