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Good Luck man read all this shit you cant go wrong!

Thanks Don, I'll have to read up on that but I read a few places that it wasn't bad for them.
This is part of a post that I read up on:

Do you think the majority of commercial hydroponic green house growers are wrong. They use chlorine at 4 ppm or higher added into the pipes feeding the irrigation spray heads so as to m not waster chlorine in the reservoirs through dissipation. I recommend 2.5 ppm as an initial treatment reduced to 0.5 ppm as a residual level of chlorine. Tap water is allowed to contain up to 4 ppm at customers faucets. Thousands of growers of mj use tap water without any removal of chlorine. 10's of thousands of people water their houseplants, flowers and lawns with water containing up to 4 ppm of chlorine. Plants can tolerate extremely high amounts of chlorine. They can not tolerate chloride. Fish can tolerate high levels of chloride but not chlorine. Salt is sodium chloride. Plants can not tolerate high levels of chloride Caphese.

Hydrogen peroxide is a much stronger oxidizer than chlorine. It is much easier to cause problems using hydrogen peroxide than to use clorox bleach.

Too many myths in forums and on the web. Have you heard of Pythoff. It is sold in two versions. Professional/commercial made with chloromine or hobby grade made with chlorine.

I gave mixing directions based upon known strengths of Clorox bleach and flairform Pythoff, the largest seller of a chlorine treatment of root rot. It is the same strength used by most commercial greenhouse growers.

H2O2 can be used to kill the bacterium causing root rot and it will oxidize the rotten roots. However, it is an extremely strong oxidizer it is much easier to screw up with H2O2. It also provides so residual oxidation/disinfection effect. It is also not readily testable in a home as is chlorine. They even sell cheap swimming pool chlorine test kits that can measure chlorine levels in the water. There is no cheap test for whatever you used enough, to little or too much H2O2.

The pythoff bacterium is a common anerobic bacteria. Any where there is a moist warm environment without oxygen you'll find the bacterium. The bacterium however is easily killed by chlorine, a relatively weak oxidizer.

I think I will try it out and stick with the bleach for now. I have not heard any bad affects on using the bleach plus it's alot cheaper than the other stuff. There is chlorine in the water we drink everyday. About 8 drops per gallon or about 4 PPM is what they recommend for whiter roots and less algae.

Day 7:
Since transplanting in the hydroton 1 Extrema is kinda laid over. I think when I was transplanting it the roots may have gotten damaged or hurt and sent it into shock. I can see the root trying to come out of the bottom so I'm hoping she will make a recovery. If not I will either germ another seed or just keep with the other 3 and hope at least two are female. Will have to see how she does in the next day or so. The other 3 are doing fine though. I added about 3-5 lbs of ice to the res last night to drop it from 74 to 66. It was still 66 when I checked it this morning. I will have to get me some good plastic bottles to put in there cuz the ice raises my water level. Which was not a problem this time. It lower temp and PPMs just a little.
Room Temp 76: RH 42% : Res Temp 66 : pH 5.9.. Just sucks that I have to leave the cab door cracked about 6 inches or the heat will build up in there to 83. Gotta find somewhere to exhaust to other than back in the same bedroom. Maybe thru the floor of the trailer. Not sure yet!

Originally Posted by BluBerry

Thanks Don, I'll have to read up on that but I read a few places that it wasn't bad for them.
This is part of a post that I read up on:

Do you think the majority of commercial hydroponic green house growers are wrong. They use chlorine at 4 ppm or higher added into the pipes feeding the irrigation spray heads so as to m not waster chlorine in the reservoirs through dissipation. I recommend 2.5 ppm as an initial treatment reduced to 0.5 ppm as a residual level of chlorine. Tap water is allowed to contain up to 4 ppm at customers faucets. Thousands of growers of mj use tap water without any removal of chlorine. 10's of thousands of people water their houseplants, flowers and lawns with water containing up to 4 ppm of chlorine. Plants can tolerate extremely high amounts of chlorine. They can not tolerate chloride. Fish can tolerate high levels of chloride but not chlorine. Salt is sodium chloride. Plants can not tolerate high levels of chloride Caphese.

Hydrogen peroxide is a much stronger oxidizer than chlorine. It is much easier to cause problems using hydrogen peroxide than to use clorox bleach.

Too many myths in forums and on the web. Have you heard of Pythoff. It is sold in two versions. Professional/commercial made with chloromine or hobby grade made with chlorine.

I gave mixing directions based upon known strengths of Clorox bleach and flairform Pythoff, the largest seller of a chlorine treatment of root rot. It is the same strength used by most commercial greenhouse growers.

H2O2 can be used to kill the bacterium causing root rot and it will oxidize the rotten roots. However, it is an extremely strong oxidizer it is much easier to screw up with H2O2. It also provides so residual oxidation/disinfection effect. It is also not readily testable in a home as is chlorine. They even sell cheap swimming pool chlorine test kits that can measure chlorine levels in the water. There is no cheap test for whatever you used enough, to little or too much H2O2.

The pythoff bacterium is a common anerobic bacteria. Any where there is a moist warm environment without oxygen you'll find the bacterium. The bacterium however is easily killed by chlorine, a relatively weak oxidizer.

I think I will try it out and stick with the bleach for now. I have not heard any bad affects on using the bleach plus it's alot cheaper than the other stuff. There is chlorine in the water we drink everyday. About 8 drops per gallon or about 4 PPM is what they recommend for whiter roots and less algae.

IDK bout that my man I learn all my shit from the best, trust me read that shit. Hey Me personally I dont stress my water temp for my resv at all just about once a day I put a frozen block in but not even everyday just when I feel the resv, and its not cool I do it. Now cloning aeroponnics you have to stress that they need cold.I send you a link to resv temps also, got some good info in there too good luck bro and get some H202!

Update: Well I figured I should have started the seedlings in a bigger cup and let them go for a little longer. 1 Extrema died and 1 El Monstre is looking close to it. I think it's because the roots weren't established enough in the soil. My other extrema has about an 8 inch root hanging from the pot and is looking good. I am germinating 3 more seeds just in case these others die as well. I am gonna order some starter plugs or something that I can put seed directly into and in hydroton. Not sure if I wanna do rockwool tho. I hear kinda mixed reviews about that. I will check into that H2O2 as well. Once these germ they will be about week and half behind my Extrema but I think it should even out in the long run.

Im subbed i want to see how the extrema does...Ive been eying that strain

Down to 1 El Monstre and 1 Extrema. The other two died from premature transplanting. Extrema has more roots that are starting to work out of the net pot. Another couple days and they should really take off. El Monstre I am hoping it will get its root in the water here shortly so I dont have to keep hand feeding it from the top. Guess that's why people make drippers. Lol. Just sucks that when I get these other germed and put in the hydroton these two I have in there now will have enough roots to where the pots wont need to be submerged in the water and when I put the new ones in then they will prob need to be submerged. Is this gonna affect my roots on these that are in there by being submerged until new ones take off? This is a minor mistake but one that could have easily been avoided. I ordered some rapid rooter plugs last night so they should be in within the next couple days. I have a couple seeds in germ so they should be bout the same time. I'm not sure of exactly how to do the plugs but my intention is to. Since I don't have a dome is to either get one from wal mart or to take a tupperware container and make a holding tray for them to stand up in the container then have a small amount of water 1/4 inch maybe. Just moist not wet. Then put clear saran wrap over the top of the container to hold in moisture. I would think that would serve the same purpose as the dome as far as humidity and moisture. Anyone used these plugs in the same kinda method? Do I have the right idea here? Let them sprout and stay in there for a few days then put plug and all in the hydroton. And that's its new home. Sounds easy enough.

I just checked again and my airstones have come detached from the bottom of the res. What can I use to anchor them to the bottom where they will stay? Suctions cups didn't work, liquid nails didn't work for over a week.

Originally Posted by BluBerry

Down to 1 El Monstre and 1 Extrema. The other two died from premature transplanting. Extrema has more roots that are starting to work out of the net pot. Another couple days and they should really take off. El Monstre I am hoping it will get its root in the water here shortly so I dont have to keep hand feeding it from the top. Guess that's why people make drippers. Lol. Just sucks that when I get these other germed and put in the hydroton these two I have in there now will have enough roots to where the pots wont need to be submerged in the water and when I put the new ones in then they will prob need to be submerged. Is this gonna affect my roots on these that are in there by being submerged until new ones take off? This is a minor mistake but one that could have easily been avoided. I ordered some rapid rooter plugs last night so they should be in within the next couple days. I have a couple seeds in germ so they should be bout the same time. I'm not sure of exactly how to do the plugs but my intention is to. Since I don't have a dome is to either get one from wal mart or to take a tupperware container and make a holding tray for them to stand up in the container then have a small amount of water 1/4 inch maybe. Just moist not wet. Then put clear saran wrap over the top of the container to hold in moisture. I would think that would serve the same purpose as the dome as far as humidity and moisture. Anyone used these plugs in the same kinda method? Do I have the right idea here? Let them sprout and stay in there for a few days then put plug and all in the hydroton. And that's its new home. Sounds easy enough.

I just checked again and my airstones have come detached from the bottom of the res. What can I use to anchor them to the bottom where they will stay? Suctions cups didn't work, liquid nails didn't work for over a week.

Dang man sorry to here bout that I was in the same boat man your doing everything right tho getting rooter plugs etc drippers sounds good tho to, Yeah I had to submerge my newly seedlings until they got enough roots so the water can hit them, But dame you got me thinking of drippers now instead of aeropnics sprayers on the bottom hmmm I may look into that what you think? Yea you got a pretty good idea on the sproting thing. I have a seeding tray from Kmart put my seeds in the rooter plug and hand water with a heat pad on the bottom they love mild heat they sprout fast, I water my seeds about 2-3 times a day depend on how fast they dry just dont let them get dry! You dont need to worry bout a humid dome, altho it will help, good luck bro