grown for a veteran, first grow, tent 400 watt,

convict156326

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400mh/hps, when they were younger i had the one labella that was so much taller than the rest, and the heat issues i had to keep the light farther away than i should have, i made alot of mistakes,. i noticed it myself, the one labella is still like a foot taller than the rest, so i have to keep it high still, im bending them over today to lower the light, i wasnt sure i could do that into flower, i should have done it ALOT sooner.
 

Hemlock

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YEah tie that bitch down and get that light closer, I think that will really help.
We really need PPM meter to see where we are with the nutes. I know times are tuff but it would be great.
 

convict156326

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tryin to scrounge enough for one, 20 bucks at hydro shop... but thats might as well be 300 to my broke ass.. upgrading with taxes, going dwc ordering ppm meter and everything else @ 1 time this time! need to make a shopping list of essentials..
 

Hemlock

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tryin to scrounge enough for one, 20 bucks at hydro shop... but thats might as well be 300 to my broke ass.. upgrading with taxes, going dwc ordering ppm meter and everything else @ 1 time this time! need to make a shopping list of essentials..
DWC,, rockin it!, OK well I won't be able to help yeah on that, but I can help ya finish this one up.
 

convict156326

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after i watered with the new nute mix on the 15th, i have much more yellowing, and now curling of the leaves, and the leaves that had already yellowed from the nutes are now also curling up. papery thin almost seethrough.
dropping the grow nutes out of the mix entirely. so i will be watering with 5 ml bloom, 5 ml blackstrap, 6 ml big bud ( a.n.) ,

i dont know if i mentioned or not, but i have 2 jackie-o seedlings in 1 gallon milk jugs in the tent under 12/12. wonder if i could get like a quater off them? if they're even females that is.
am ashamed to do this, but i'll be postin pics prolly tomorrow,. o snap!! the labella was too tall. like a full foot taller than the rest, ( causing the spacing) so i bent the labella over, the 4 tops now lean over horizontally. i think i overdid it though. when i was pinching the stem to get it ready for the bend, they cracked open and split. all of em. kinda freeaks me out, since i dont have any bandaids or anything else. can i smear a dab of petrolium jelly on the cracks? i think i read that i dont want light and air getting inside the plant. but then again... when i topped it in the first place i could see straight down INTO the stem. it healed nicely from that, so i am as of right now thinking it will survive and grow stronger like it did previously.
 

convict156326

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maybe someone can explain this to me. my plants are obviously getting too much of something. i dont know what that something is.

heres the guaranteed analysis on the grow nutes
Total Nitrogen (N)……………………………………..………………..3.00%
1.80% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
1.12% Water Soluble Nitrogen
0.08% Nitrate Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5)……………………..……………………1.00%
Soluble Potash (K20)……………………………………………………3.00%
Calcium (Ca)……………………………………………………………..1.00%
DERIVED FROM: Ocean Fish, Soy Protein, Seaweed Extract, Yucca Extract, Magnesium Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Soft Rock Phosphate and Cane Molasses.

and the bloom

Available Phosphate (P2O5)………… 10.00%
Calcium (Ca)……………..……………. 10.00%
Derived From: Soft Rock Phosphate and Kelp.
ALSO CONTAINS NON-PLANT FOOD INGREDIENT:
2% Yucca Extract

also getting 5 ml blackstrap molasses hopuse of herbs blackstrap molasses. it doesnt specify sulphered or unsulphered. but it was the only one they had at 4 different stores.

they will be gettting 6 ml of the advance nutrients big bud in the next watering. i am making the water tomorrow morning . because they feel pretty weighty still. and i read that the nutes need to cook for 24 before using them. waiting on my internet to reconnect so i can upload the pics of the analysis of the big bud...BigBudPowder_GA_bg.gifBigBud_GA_liquid_bg.gif


can someone explain what i need to do to correct my dosages, the yellowing has worsend throughout the leaves, i cant take pics of them until tomorrow. also if someone could explain why it says " potash" and which are the 3 NPK for sure. i mean its pretty obvious, but i'd like to know im not stumbling over a simple grammer difference.
 

Hemlock

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maybe someone can explain this to me. my plants are obviously getting too much of something. i dont know what that something is.

heres the guaranteed analysis on the grow nutes
Total Nitrogen (N)……………………………………..………………..3.00%
1.80% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
1.12% Water Soluble Nitrogen
0.08% Nitrate Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5)……………………..……………………1.00%
Soluble Potash (K20)……………………………………………………3.00%
Calcium (Ca)……………………………………………………………..1.00%
DERIVED FROM: Ocean Fish, Soy Protein, Seaweed Extract, Yucca Extract, Magnesium Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Soft Rock Phosphate and Cane Molasses.

and the bloom

Available Phosphate (P2O5)………… 10.00%
Calcium (Ca)……………..……………. 10.00%
Derived From: Soft Rock Phosphate and Kelp.
ALSO CONTAINS NON-PLANT FOOD INGREDIENT:
2% Yucca Extract

also getting 5 ml blackstrap molasses hopuse of herbs blackstrap molasses. it doesnt specify sulphered or unsulphered. but it was the only one they had at 4 different stores.

they will be gettting 6 ml of the advance nutrients big bud in the next watering. i am making the water tomorrow morning . because they feel pretty weighty still. and i read that the nutes need to cook for 24 before using them. waiting on my internet to reconnect so i can upload the pics of the analysis of the big bud...View attachment 1447602View attachment 1447603


can someone explain what i need to do to correct my dosages, the yellowing has worsend throughout the leaves, i cant take pics of them until tomorrow. also if someone could explain why it says " potash" and which are the 3 NPK for sure. i mean its pretty obvious, but i'd like to know im not stumbling over a simple grammer difference.
You know convict it all depends on how much water you are using and no matter who you ask they are gonna ask you what your PPMs and PH are. Its hard to help when you don't have the info. However, IMO, if you are using 5 gallons of water, the amount of nutes you are using are NOT enough, but we don't know for sure because we don't know how many PPMs we are really at. If it was me I would up my Bloom and Big Bud, a little each time.
For instance, heres what I would do 10 ml of Bloom and if you are using Big Bud powder, I would use the recommended dosage on the label. I think BB is 7 grams of powder for 5 gallons of water. Now PH, i don't know anyone that has a good grow that PH before they add nutes, I did a test last week to see what was happening with you. My water starts at 6.9 after adding my nutes my water was at 6.7, the I added molasses, my ph went to 5.4. Now thats a problem. Make sure the molasses you are using has less than 1% sodium, if it more it will hurt the plant. So until you get the right gear we are really just shooting in the dark. I won't bother you anymore. as I'm sure you think I have no idea what I'm doing as your plants are shit. Sorry, and again good luck.
 

convict156326

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fuck that hemlock, youve been hella helpful. thanks for all of it, and i hope you dont stop. i mix just 1 gallon of water every 2 days, and give them said water every 3ish. should i be making my water in 5 gall intervals?
thats how mine are suposed to look hemlock. so dont stop helpin me bro. as you can see i need all the help i can get. i am going to take a sample down to the hydro shop and have the ppm tested. going to try to get down there today.
 

convict156326

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AAAAAGH!!!!!!! yesterday they were kinda rough but nothing like this!! they are dying! what the fuck can i do!! i want to salvage what i have. heres the f'd up pics of my f'd up girls.. man i never had ASNY problems like this outdoors. these nutes fuck me up! and i wanted to go the hydro way??? lol i cant even get nutes right in soil...

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heres the rest of the pics. why are they dying please. need to know before i make up my nutes as today is watering day
 

Hemlock

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OK heres the deal, I'm thinkin our problem is PH. Thats the most important thing. If we can fix that we got'em.
I know its a pain but ya gotta get a PH meter and PH AFTER nutes are in the water. And yes One gallon is fine. I have to say
if I had to pic bwt a ppm or a PH meter I would get the PH meter. Man we got a couple shitty ones in there. The more I think about it
the more I know its the PH convict.
 

convict156326

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i have a test kit, the pool type, after i make my mix the ph is around 6.5-7 after looking around im pretty confident that it is a N deficency, i have been weaning them off the grow, ( at a friends suggestion) the grow was the only nute with N. so they have slowly been starving themselves. i've never dealt with this outdoors, or i would have caught this sooner. i remade my mix.. 5 ml grow/5ml bloom. thats what the feeding chart @ humbolt nutes says to use. i am following the directions instead of the "always use 1/2 strength cause thye just want you to buy more" havent been able to check the girls yet today, but im hoping for at least a little bit of recovery today when i open the tent up.
 

Hemlock

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i have a test kit, the pool type, after i make my mix the ph is around 6.5-7 after looking around im pretty confident that it is a N deficency, i have been weaning them off the grow, ( at a friends suggestion) the grow was the only nute with N. so they have slowly been starving themselves. i've never dealt with this outdoors, or i would have caught this sooner. i remade my mix.. 5 ml grow/5ml bloom. thats what the feeding chart @ humbolt nutes says to use. i am following the directions instead of the "always use 1/2 strength cause thye just want you to buy more" havent been able to check the girls yet today, but im hoping for at least a little bit of recovery today when i open the tent up.
ahhh hahhh...fuckin humbolt strikes again..I hate that shit.
OK lets think about this, if they r N deficent, then the grow nute would be what u need. It should have the most N.
IMO humbolt is overpriced JUNK. Get some GH 3 part. Cheap and works real well with molassess. I use it.
I know you can't do it now but when u reup your nutes get the GH.
OK, 6.5 -7 is perfect for bloom but seems to not be working well. So, lets drop the PH to 6.0 for a bit and see how we do. remember when we are in Veg we want the PH to be 5.8-6.1 and bloom 6.3-6.8. If you read about nutes and ph it will tell you that when your ph is at the low end 5.8 the plant will use more N and when its in bloom you want it to use the P and K portion of the Nutes the PH has to be 6.3-6.8. Good Luck
Can we do that?
 

convict156326

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yeah that makes sense, but i have to wait a few days before i can do anything, they just got watered yesterday, and got their first full shot of N then. hopefully by monday ( next water day) the N will be back up to normal, i think i posted a pic of the test i did earlier on here im gonna go check again, screw that i have the pic right here lol
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will take pics on monday to see where they are @ then bro. thanks for the help man. gonna check out those nutes. i know these are weak, they were the nutes that came with the kit. and after seeing my buddies nutes, i realized that im using an inferior product.
 

Hemlock

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yeah that makes sense, but i have to wait a few days before i can do anything, they just got watered yesterday, and got their first full shot of N then. hopefully by monday ( next water day) the N will be back up to normal, i think i posted a pic of the test i did earlier on here im gonna go check again, screw that i have the pic right here lol
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Alright remember we won't be able to see the resuts for a week or so. they are in tuff shape so it may take longer.
if you got any plants in Veg that are ready to bloom then get rid of the real shitty plants and put some new one in there.
 

convict156326

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nah, i just have 6 more seedlings going, hoping to find a mom, they are just in a cardboard box with aluminum foil under 3 cfl bulbs. nothing with even a 2nd set of leaves yet. i am really just messin around with these new seeds, i am going to buy some clones for the next run, and let my "mom" grow untill i am able to clone off them. right now, what you see is what i have, when i got in and looked really closely, i see that there isnt any "new" damage, same yellowing, but no new yellowing. should i cut these leaves that have already suffered so much?
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are they hindering growth by taking the nutes from the more healthy plants? or should i leave things alone?
 

convict156326

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gotta put this here or ill lose it



Nutrient disorders are caused by too much or too little of one or several nutrients being available. These nutrients are made available between a pH range of 5 and 7 and a total dissolved solids (TDS) range of 800 to 3000 PPM. Maintaining these conditions is the key to proper nutrient uptake.

Nutrients Over twenty elements are needed for a plant to grow. Carbon, hydrogen and oxygen are absorbed from the air and water. The rest of the elements, called mineral nutrients, are dissolved in the nutrient solution.

The primary or macro- nutrients (nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P) and potassium (K)) are the elements plants use the most. Calcium (Ca) and magnesium (Mg) are secondary nutrients and used in smaller amounts. Iron (Fe), sulfur (S), manganese (Mn), boron (B), molybdenum (Mo), zinc (Zn) and copper (Cu) are micro-nutrients or trace elements.

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Trace elements are found in most soils. Rockwool (hydroponic) fertilizers must contain these trace elements, as they do not normally exist in sufficient quantities in rockwool or water. Other elements also play a part in plant growth. Aluminum, chlorine, cobalt, iodine, selenium, silicon, sodium and vanadium are not normally included in nutrient mixes. They are required in very minute amounts that are usually present as impurities in the water supply or mixed along with other nutrients.

The nutrients must be soluble (able to be dissolved in water) and go into solution.

Macro-nutrients Nitrogen (N) is primary to plant growth. Plants convert nitrogen to make proteins essential to new cell growth. Nitrogen is mainly responsible for leaf and stem growth as well as overall size and vigor. Nitrogen moves easily to active young buds, shoots and leaves and slower to older leaves. Deficiency signs show first in older leaves. They turn a pale yellow and may die. New growth becomes weak and spindly. An abundance of nitrogen will cause soft, weak growth and even delay flower and fruit production if it is allowed to accumulate.
Phosphorus (P) is necessary for photosynthesis and works as a catalyst for energy transfer within the plant. Phosphorus helps build strong roots and is vital for flower and seed production. Highest levels of phosphorus are used during germination, seedling growth and flowering. Deficiencies will show in older leaves first. Leaves turn deep green on a uniformly smaller, stunted plant. Leaves show brown or purple spots.

Phosphorus flocculates when concentrated and combined with calcium.

Potassium (K) activates the manufacture and movement of sugars and starches, as well as growth by cell division. Potassium increases chlorophyll in foliage and helps regulate stomata openings so plants make better use of light and air. Potassium encourages strong root growth, water uptake and triggers enzymes that fight disease. Potassium is necessary during all stages of growth. It is especially important in the development of fruit.

Deficiency signs of potassium are: plants are the tallest and appear healthy. Older leaves mottle and yellow between veins, followed by whole leaves that turn dark yellow and die. Flower and fruit drop are common problems associated with potassium deficiency. Potassium is usually locked out by high salinity.
Secondary Nutrients Magnesium (Mg) is found as a central atom in the chlorophyll molecule and is essential to the absorption of light energy. Magnesium aids in the utilization of nutrients, neutralizes acids and toxic compounds produced by the plant. Deficiency signs of magnesium are: Older leaves yellow from the center outward, while veins remain green on deficient plants. Leaf tips and edges may discolor and curl upward. Growing tips turn lime green if the deficiency progresses to the top of the plant.

Calcium (Ca) is fundamental to cell manufacture and growth. Soil gardeners use dolomite lime, which contains calcium and magnesium, to keep the soil sweet or buffered. Rockwool gardeners use calcium to buffer excess nutrients. Calcium moves slowly within the plant and tends to concentrate in roots and older growth. Consequently young growth shows deficiency signs first. Deficient leaf tips, edges and new growth will turn brown and die back. If too much calcium is applied early in life, it will stunt growth as well. It will also flocculate when a concentrated form is combined with potassium.

Trace Elements Sulphur (S) is a component of plant proteins and plays a role in root growth and chlorophyll supply. Distributed relatively evenly with largest amounts in leaves which affects the flavor and odor in many plants. Sulphur, like calcium, moves little within plant tissue and the first signs of a deficiency are pale young leaves. Growth is slow but leaves tend to get brittle and stay narrower than normal.

Iron (Fe) is a key catalyst in chlorophyll production and is used in photosynthesis. A lack of iron turns leaves pale yellow or white while the veins remain green. Iron is difficult for plants to absorb and moves slowly within the plant. Always use chelated (immediately available to the plant) iron in nutrient mixes.

Manganese (Mg) works with plant enzymes to reduce nitrates before producing proteins. A lack of manganese turns young leaves a mottled yellow or brown.

Zinc (Z) is a catalyst and must be present in minute amounts for plant growth. A lack of zinc results in stunting, yellowing and curling of small leaves. An excess of zinc is uncommon but very toxic and causes wilting or death.

Copper (C) is a catalyst for several enzymes. A shortage of copper makes new growth wilt and causes irregular growth. Excesses of copper causes sudden death. Copper is also used as a fungicide and wards off insects and diseases because of this property.

Boron (B) is necessary for cells to divide and protein formation. It also plays an active role in pollination and seed production.

Molybdenum (Mn) helps form proteins and aids the plant's ability to fix nitrogen from the air. A deficiency causes leaves to turn pale and fringes to appear scorched. Irregular leaf growth may also result.

These nutrients are mixed together to form a complete plant fertilizer. The mix contains all the nutrients in the proper ratios to give plants all they need for lush, rapid growth. The fertilizer is dissolved in water to make a nutrient solution. Water transports these soluble nutrients into contact with the plant roots. In the presence of oxygen and water, the nutrients are absorbed through the root hairs.

Source:George Van Pattens' excellent book "Gardening: The Rockwool Book".
Key on Nutrient Disorders

To use the Problem-Solver, simply start at #1 below. When you think you've found the problem, read the Nutrients section to learn more about it. Diagnose carefully before making major changes.

1)

a)
If the problem affects only the bottom or middle of the plant go to #2.
b)
If it affects only the top of the plant or the growing tips, skip to #10.

If the problem seems to affect the entire plant equally, skip to #6.

2)

a)

Leaves are a uniform yellow or light green; leaves die & drop; growth is slow. Leaf margins are not curled-up noticeably. >> Nitrogen (N) deficiency.
b)
If not, go to #3.

3)

a)
Margins of the leaves are turned up, and the tips may be twisted. Leaves are yellowing (and may turn brown), but the veins remain somewhat green. >> Magnesium (Mg) deficiency.
b)
If not, go to #4.

4)

a)

Leaves are browning or yellowing. Yellow, brown, or necrotic (dead) patches, especially around the edges of the leaf, which may be curled. Plant may be too tall. >> Potassium (K) deficiency.
b)
If not, keep reading.

5)

a)

Leaves are dark green or red/purple. Stems and petioles may have purple & red on them. Leaves may turn yellow or curl under. Leaf may drop easily. Growth may be slow and leaves may be small. >> Phosphorous (P) deficiency.
b)
If not, go to #6.

6)

a)


Tips of leaves are yellow, brown, or dead. Plant otherwise looks healthy & green.Stems may be soft >> Overfertilization (especially N), over-watering, damaged roots, or insufficient soil aeration (use more sand or perlite. Occasionally due to not enough N, P, or K.
b)
If not, go to #7.

7)



a)

Leaves are curled under like a ram's horn, and are dark green, gray, brown, or gold. >> Over-fertilization
(too much N).
b)
If not, go to #8.

8)

a)

The plant is wilted, even though the soil is moist. >> Over-fertilization, soggy soil, damaged roots, disease; copper deficiency (very unlikely).
b)
If not, go to #9.

9)

a)

Plants won't flower, even though they get 12 hours of darkness for over 2 weeks. >> The night period is not completely dark. Too much nitrogen. Too much pruning or cloning.
b)
If not, go to #10...

10)

a)
Leaves are yellow or white, but the veins are mostly green. >> Iron (Fe) deficiency.
b)
If not, #11.

11)


a)

Leaves are light green or yellow beginning at the base, while the leaf margins remain green. Necrotic spots may be between veins. Leaves are not twisted. >> Manganese (Mn) deficiency.
b)
If not, #12.

12)

a)
Leaves are twisted. Otherwise, pretty much like #11. >> Zinc (Zn) deficiency.
b)
If not, #13.

13)

a)

Leaves twist, then turn brown or die. >> The lights are too close to the plant. Rarely, a Calcium (Ca) or Boron (B) deficiency.
b)
If not. You may just have a weak plant.

Solutions to Nutrient Deficiencies The Nutrients:

Nitrogen - (N)
Plants need lots of N during vegging, but it's easy to overdo it. Added too much? Flush the soil with plain water. Soluble nitrogen (especially nitrate) is the form that's the most quickly available to the roots, while insoluble N (like urea) first needs to be broken down by microbes in the soil before the roots can absorb it. Avoid excessive ammonium nitrogen, which can interfere with other nutrients. Too much N delays flowering. Plants should be allowed to become N-deficient late in flowering for best flavor.



Magnesium
Mg-deficiency is pretty common since marijuana uses lots of it and many fertilizers don't have enough of it. Mg-deficiency is easily fixed with ¼ teaspoon/gallon of Epsom salts (first powdered and dissolved in some hot water) or foliar feed at ½ teaspoon/quart. When mixing up soil, use 2 teaspoon dolomite lime per gallon of soil for Mg. Mg can get locked-up by too much Ca, Cl or ammonium nitrogen. Don't overdo Mg or you'll lock up other nutrients.



Potassium
Too much sodium (Na) displaces K, causing a K deficiency. Sources of high salinity are: baking soda (sodium bicarbonate "pH-up"), too much manure, and the use of water-softening filters (which should not be used). If the problem is Na, flush the soil. K can get locked up from too much Ca or ammonium nitrogen, and possibly cold weather.



Phosphorous
Some deficiency during flowering is normal, but too much shouldn't be tolerated. Red petioles and stems are a normal, genetic characteristic for many varieties, plus it can also be a co-symptom of N, K and Mg-deficiencies, so red stems are not a foolproof sign of P-deficiency. Too much P can lead to iron deficiency.



Iron
Fe is unavailable to plants when the pH of the water or soil is too high. If deficient, lower the pH to about 6.5 (for rockwool, about 5.7), and check that you're not adding too much P, which can lock up Fe. Use iron that's chelated for maximum availability. Read your fertilizer's ingredients - chelated iron might read something like "iron EDTA". To much Fe without adding enough P can cause a P-deficiency.



Manganese
Mn gets locked out when the pH is too high, and when there's too much iron. Use chelated Mn.



Zinc
Also gets locked out due to high pH. Zn, Fe, and Mn deficiencies often occur together, and are usually from a high pH. Don't overdo the micro-nutrients- lower the pH if that's the problem so the nutrients become available. Foliar feed if the plant looks real bad. Use chelated zinc.



OVER FERTILIZATION

Causes leaf tips to appear yellow or burnt. To correct soil should be flushed with three gallons of water per one gallon of soil.



B - BORON (B)

Growing shoots turn grey or die. Growing shoots appear burnt. Treat with one teaspoon of Boric acid (sold as eyewash) per gallon of water.



Ca - CALCIUM (Ca)

Lack of calcium in the soil results in the soil becoming too acid. This leads to Mg or Fe deficiency or very slow stunted growth. Treat by foliar feeding with one teaspoon of dolomatic lime per quart of water until condition improves.



Check Your Water
Crusty faucets and shower heads mean your water is "hard," usually due to too many minerals. Tap water with a TDS (total dissolved solids) level of more than around 200ppm (parts per million) is "hard" and should be looked into, especially if your plants have a chronic problem. Ask your water company for an analysis listing, which will usually list the pH, TDS, and mineral levels (as well as the pollutants, carcinogens, etc) for the tap water in your area. This is a common request, especially in this day and age, so it shouldn't raise an eyebrow.

Regular water filters will not reduce a high TDS level, but the costlier reverse-osmosis units, distillers, and de-ionizers will. A digital TDS meter (or EC = electrical conductivity meter) is an incredibly useful tool for monitoring the nutrient levels of nutrient solution, and will pay for itself before you know it. They run about $40 and up.



General Feeding Tips
Pot plants are very adaptable, but a general rule of thumb is to use more nitrogen & less phosphorous during the vegetative period, and the exact opposite during the flowering period. For the veg. period try a N:P:K ratio of about 10:7:8 (which of course is the same ratio as 20:14:16), and for flowering plants, 4:8:8. Check the pH after adding nutrients.

If you use a reservoir, keep it circulating and change it every 2 weeks. A general guideline for TDS levels is as follows: seedlings = 50-150 ppm; unrooted clones = 100-350 ppm; small plants = 400-800 ppm; large plants = 900-1800 ppm; last week of flowering = taper off to plain water. These numbers are just a guideline, and many factors can change the actual level the plants will need. Certain nutrients are "invisible" to TDS meters, especially organics, so use TDS level only as an estimate of actual nutrient levels. When in doubt about a new fertilizer, follow the fertilizer's directions for feeding tomatoes. Grow a few tomato or radish plants nearby for comparison.



PH
The pH of water after adding any nutrients should be around 5.9-6.5 (in rockwool, 5.5-6.1) . Generally speaking, the micro-nutrients (Fe, Zn, Mn, Cu) get locked out at a high pH (alkaline) above 7.0, while the major nutrients (N, P, K, Mg) can be less available in acidic soil or water (below 5.0). Tapwater is often too alkaline. Soils with lots of peat or other organic matter in them tend to get too acidic, which some dolomite lime will help fix. Soil test kits vary in accuracy, and generally the more you pay the better the accuracy. For the water, color-based pH test kits from aquarium stores are inexpensive, but inaccurate. Invest in a digital pH meter ($40-80), preferably a waterproof one. You won't regret it.



Other Things.
Cold
Cold weather (below 50F/10C) can lock up phosphorous. Some varieties, like equatorial sativas, don't take well to cold weather. If you can keep the roots warmer, the plant will be able to take cooler temps than it otherwise could.



Heat
If the lights are too close to the plant, the tops may be curled, dry, and look burnt, mimicking a nutrient problem. Your hand should not feel hot after a minute when you hold it at the top of the plants. Raise the lights and/or aim a fan at the hot zone. Room temps should be kept under 85F (29C) -- or 90F (33) if you add additional CO2.



Humidity
Thin, shriveled leaves can be from low humidity. 40-80 % is usually fine.



Mold and fungus
Dark patchy areas on leaves and buds can be mold. Lower the humidity and increase the ventilation if mold is a problem. Remove any dead leaves, wherever they are. Keep your garden clean.



Insects
White spots on the tops of leaves can mean spider mites underneath.



Sprays
Foliar sprays can have a "magnifying glass" effect under bright lights, causing small white, yellow or burnt spots which can be confused with a nutrient problem. Some sprays can also cause chemical reactions.



Insufficient light
Tall, stretching plants are usually from using the wrong kind of light.. Don't use regular incandescent bulbs ("grow bulbs") or halogens to grow cannabis. Invest in fluorescent lighting (good) or HID lighting (much better) which supply the high-intensity light that cannabis needs for good growth and tight buds. Even better, grow in sunlight.



Clones
yellowing leaves on unrooted clones can be from too much light, or the stem may not be firmly touching the rooting medium. Turn off any CO2 until they root. Too much fertilizer can shrivel or wilt clones - plain tap water is fine.
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Hemlock

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nah, i just have 6 more seedlings going, hoping to find a mom, they are just in a cardboard box with aluminum foil under 3 cfl bulbs. nothing with even a 2nd set of leaves yet. i am really just messin around with these new seeds, i am going to buy some clones for the next run, and let my "mom" grow untill i am able to clone off them. right now, what you see is what i have, when i got in and looked really closely, i see that there isnt any "new" damage, same yellowing, but no new yellowing. should i cut these leaves that have already suffered so much?
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are they hindering growth by taking the nutes from the more healthy plants? or should i leave things alone?
Yes cut off all the unhealthy leaves
 
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