First time DWC grow closet

Legal Yooper

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Growth is doing good but I think I do have some issues.. There is a white fury substance that is forming on a few of the stems and on the hydroton. The water in that rez is 8 days old and has had a steady ph of between 5.5 and 6 with a ppm around 860. Using gh flora 3 part.

Here's some pics, let me know if you need others,

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Do I have a problem or is this normal??? I tried to lightly rub it off with my fingers and it wouldn't come off. My fingers smelt of green... I've never seen stems get so thick in only 14 days.

One of the leaves also grew with a hole in it. Thats the best I can tell anyway, no signs of pests...

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A pic of each rez.. Clone in right side rez is starting to show growth.

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I'm driving myself nuts in regards to the white fur on stems... trying to figure out whats going on if anything..lol.. If anyone can steer me in the right direction It would really save on my stress levels :)

My WW and NL beans have arrived and I want to make sure this bagseed doesn't have some kind of water problem before starting them...

Other notes no one would care about cept me;
Rez B water change..
13 gal water + 27g + 18m + 9f gave 847 ppm... 6tsp ph down gave Ph 5.5 to 6
 

gumball

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From what I can see it doesn't look like a problem, but it sounds like powdery mildew maybe, or the start of mold. Is your humidity really high? Just watch it carefully and if it gets worse please post some more pics
 

Legal Yooper

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Thanks for the response gum.. The humidity was good here (around 45-50%) but a storm came through a couple days ago and humidity went up to 70% and is now 60%, which I realize is too high, I have a de humidifier in the basement that I may need to borrow.. I read about the powdery mold and hoping it isn't that, sounds like a pita to get rid of. I rinsed the hydroton out with fresh water so will see what happens. It's kinda weird cause it almost runs up the side of the stem only on one side and its like its in the veins of the stem. The one thats has it the worst is also the biggest, the stem is already about 1/2 the diameter of a pencil.
 

gumball

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They say sulfur burners will fix it pretty quick, and are easy to make. Look up danielsgb medicinal refrigerator, or I think its cruzer101 growitup greenhouse. They both built one recently, and posted some good info on how to make it, along with a lot of other cool shit in their threads. I'd go ahead and look at that in case it does turn out to be PM, you'll know what to do. Good luck buddy.
 

Legal Yooper

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Thanks gum, I checked out both threads, some cool shit... The white on the stems seems to be going away, I'm thinking it may have been from not rinsing the rookwell enough. It only went up as far as the first set of leaves then stopped.

Well growth has been amazing but I think I may have some bad genetics (it was bag seed).. A few leaves on some of the plants are forming deformed. They are deformed by either having holes in them or missing tips or missing whole leave or just forming deformed...

Here's some pics showing some of the deformities

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Check out the nice lil branches (hope its a girl :)

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Katrina is doing OK, should have put more dirt in that pot... lol.. Bought her a 150w cfl from wally world for 10 bucks.

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So what do ya'll think????

Other notes you probably don't care about...
Rez A water change 9-24.
12 gal water
6 tsp PH down
Ph= 5.5
5 oz grow
3 oz micro
1 oz flower
ppm=1030

Rez change took longer then expected (damn phone) plants were left in empty tote for about an hour and didn't like it one bit. Leaves drooped a little but a few hours later in their new nutes and all was well. Except for one leave that really drooped and was crispy today. Not sure if it was from the no water or if I may have damaged a root in moving them around.
 

Legal Yooper

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I learned alot from this site, without any comments I may as well go about this blind and not bother taking the time to post... Peace Out!
 

Legal Yooper

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Hopefully in a week or so I'll have the $ to finish the flower room to make room for WW and NL, I'm convinced this is going to work and cant wait to grow some real weed
 

Legal Yooper

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Plants are numbered. Clones were taken yesterday. Once they root I'll send them to flower to determine sex of each plant. Sex determined or not planning on flowering in about 2 weeks.

I'm Keeping the 4' floro's right at the tops of largest plants. A leaf tip may suffer once in awhile growing into the bulb but Its creating a scrog like effect. They are starting to drink the water noticeably.

Peace Out!
 

Legal Yooper

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In the tote that is in the corner most of the plants fell over when I did my rez change. Gotta figure out a way to support them. Maybe some kind of netting. Wasa hoping they would perk back up on their own. Clones are rooted and going to be sexed starting today. When males are identified its going to be hell getting rid of them and their roots.

Next system will not have 6 sites. 4 at most maybe even 3.

HPS light is still not here hopefully this weekend. Started transition nute feeding anyway.

Any suggestions on how to support the plants that fell over?

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Legal Yooper

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I didn't get to send to flower until the 1st of Nov ( about 6 1/2 wks veg ). Out of 11 plants 5 ended up being girls. I still have a way to go w/ getting humidity and top of canopy temps inline. Rez temps run around 67 to 70 but t.o.c is around 90... Been doing some very gentle LST to keep height down.... So far so good :) I got about 16" more I can raise the light if I have to, so I should be alright My buddie who is a newbie dirt grower claims I have an "overgrown" problem....

Bottom 6 to 8" of plants dont get much light... reading about lolly popping or getting rid of the bottom that isnt going to produce... skeptical, dont ussually remove leaves untill they are crispy... Northern climate and this time of year means no bugs, anything still green is producing energy to the plant.... BUT its time to direct that energy to flowers without stressing plant... tough call..

Real lucky w/my well water... I bubble it for 24 or so hours and after adding gh 3 part nutes and a cap full of ph down I'm at a ph of 5.7 and close to the suggested ppm on bottle for full flower and 14 gals per rez.... With low rez temps and being pretty carefull not to let light in I can go 3 wks without cleaning rez and even then it isn't dirty. Cool temps and No light = a happy rez....

The males that were removed roots are for the most part still entangled with the females. I got as far down as I could without getting into female roots and cut them off with a pair of half way sharp scissors. Figured for sure I'd have root rot but after 3 1/2 wks roots are still nice and white... HAven't had a problem so far, keeping fingers crossed...

Males stressed me out way beyond my OCD capabilities... and am glad that my feminized WW and NL had a 99% germ rate and are doing even better then these... kinda fucked though cause I figure these have about 8 wks to go and by then the WW and NL will be that much older..... Maybe another overgrown problem????
 

dynamitejack

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Be careful of your reservior temperatures, my first grow was pretty similar to yours but I was using a 600w and my babies got root rot and died. If you go through my threads I posted it up here over a year ago.
 

Legal Yooper

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Goin to look up your thread D'Jack.... I am using a 600... took me a little bit longer to get but had to go w/the lumens.... I check my rez's a least once a day but dont have a thermo in the actual rez.... Top of rez runs around 75, water seems cooler. Will definitely check on it

How fast can root rot kill plants? What are the signs
 

Legal Yooper

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Thanks Bro I did look your thread up and Roseman I think got it... hope ya dont mind but had to copy it here for future reference.... excellent info
Here is the best info I can find on Root Rot, Temps and Prevention of Root Rot:

Ain't no doubt, the temperature is the hardest factor to take control of. When confined to a small space,or even a small room, ballasts and lights can push temperatures sky-high in no time flat. This is especially true during hot summer months when outside temperature reaches its highest. Nighttime (lights out period) temperature can be just as difficult to regulate during cold winter month.
Most gardeners are aware that temperature in the grow room plays a major role and can greatly affect the growth of plants and the quality of the finished crop. Most gardeners do not know how controlling the temperature of their garden in very specific ways they can achieve a superior crop. Drift too far from these ideal temperatures and watch your plants and crop suffer.

Before getting started it is highly recommended that every indoor garden has a max/min thermometer. ($4.95 at Wlamert) This product allows the gardener to see exactly the fluctuations in temperature within their room or grow space. Without this useful tool there is no accurate way of knowing the different temperatures between daytime (lights on) and nighttime (lights off). The difference between the two temperatures is very important to plant growth. Anymore than a 10F-15F difference between daytime and nighttime temperatures and you risk shocking and stressing the plants. In general the optimal daytime temperature for plant growth is between 70F -75F. Drift too far above this range or too far below and growth can be severely affected. Daytime temperatures exceeding 90F or under 62F and plant growth will be stunted. If the temperature drifts higher than 95F the plant’s enzyme production will drop off and the plant will begin shutting down. At temperatures that high photosynthesis shuts down due to the stomata in the leaves closing down to conserve water. At normal temperatures the stomata will be open, taking in CO2 and sweating water to keep the plant cool and allowing for transpiration.
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It is recommended that the nighttime temperature drop no more than 15f from that of the daytime temperature. There is another relationship between temperature and the absorbsion of gases by plants that many hobbyist growers are aware of. That is the relationship between the temperature of the water in your reservoir and the amount of oxygen the water can hold. The best range that your reservoir can be between is 60F-75F. Ideally the reservoir temperature should be at 65F because this level contains the most oxygen. Also this temperature will help control transpiration (the act of drawing up nutrients by evaporating water through out the leaves), and humidity levels. Buying a simple floating thermometer will allow you to know where you fit in this range.
Another great reason for regulating the temperature in your grow room s that biological processes can be speed up exponentially by every degree. This is true for your plants as well as the potential pests that may invade your grow room. Pests such as spider mites can reproduce up to 10 times faster with every degree the temperature rises. These pests can destroy a garden in no time flat, you really do not want to make it any easier for them. With a daytime temperature at a steady 72F and nighttime temperature of 65F it is much easier to control and destroy spider mite, thrip, and many other pest populations.
The same principal can be applied to the prevention and control of fungi, molds, mildews, and bacteria, which can spread more rapidly when temperatures in the grow room or reservoir exceed 90F. Also, the warmer the air, the more water it can retain which means humidity levels can easily go beyond the recommended 40-50%. This high humidity coupled with lower nighttime temperatures can cause condensation to form on leaves. This will invite molds, mildews, fungi, and bacteria to take over you grow space. With high temperatures the likely-hood of losing control of the problem, such as powdery mildew, is very high. Once control is lost your plants may be the next to go.

Temperature is also very important when it comes to starting seeds and getting cuttings to root. Placing seedling trays on a heating mat will reduce germination time dramatically. Speeding up germination time usually leads to stronger and healthier plants. Also, less time spent between crop cycles makes a garden efficient. More harvests provided in less time can equal big bucks in the pockets of professional growers.
The ideal temperature to achieve these results is 80F. Any higher and you risk burning the roots. Also, many seeds simply will not germinate at temperatures over 90F. The seeds will become dormant and never sprout.
The same principal used for seeds is used on cuttings to coax roots out quicker. The sooner cuttings can establish roots the better. If roots can be forced quickly they will grow strong and stay strong. A bottom temperature of 80F-85F, roughly 10F warmer than the air, will speed up rooting time and help to jump start those roots once they do begin. Let the temperature get too high or too low and roots growth will be hindered or they will never grow at all. Using the proper technique and the proper temperature for bottom heat not only can rooting time be speed up from 2 weeks to as little as 3 days, but the survival rate of your cuttings will drastically improve.

On the topic of roots, there is an ideal temperature for the root zone after the plants’ roots have been established. Roots are working 24 hours a day and constant attention is required concerning temperature in and around the root zone. The ideal temp for this root zone is generally 75F. At this temperature the ion exchange between the roots and the environment around them is at its absolute best. This means that the plant’s root system can take up more macro nutrients, more micro nutrients, and more oxygen at this temperature than at any other level. This makes a plant more efficient and a plant working efficiently will provide a superior yield.


Root Rot?
Thick, fat, white furry roots are what you most want to see - they are absolutely indicative of healthy root growth. Be aware however that the color of a nutrient solution will stain the roots, turning them yellow or brown. This is also true of many nutrient additives. Older, more mature plants will have a darker cream-colored root system, and some plants just tend to have a natural cream colored color pigment.
Root Zone Temperature
The temperature of the root zone and the temperature of the nutrient water solution can have a major effect on the healthy growth and appearance of the root system. In general the temperature should be between 68 and 72 degrees farenheit. Anywhee between 64 and 80 will be OK. Colder or warmer conditions can cause poor and stunted root growth, as the roots don't want to grow into the unhospitable nutrient solution. Major root death can occur in even brief periods of cold or heat stress. Poor temperature conditions leave the door open to root disease.

Some would argue that one of the strengths of hydroponics is its sterile environment, and the notion of exposing growing systems to bacterial and fungal organisms would be self-defeating, if not sacrilegious. These growers rely on sterile growing environments, strong disinfectants and a product like SM-90. Another option is Hydrogen Peroxide. Each of these offer their own protection and benefits. But NEITHER SM-90 or Hydrogen Peroxide works well with organic nutes or organic additives in the reservoir. You can not try to kill the organic algae or pythium and add organic materials back. That just won't work!
They do not work well together and SM-90 has also been known to react poorly with Superthrive.
In a sterile growing environment, your goal is to have a super clean reservoir. This is harder than it sounds. Folks who have been growing in the same area with the same equipment for years might find that they are suddenly having root problems when they never had them before. Or a new grower might begin having problems right from the beginning because of his water or temps.
Keeping your reservoir totally sterile can work very well, but once you get a population of icky badness it will keep coming back again and again. Some pathogens such as pythium are almost impossible to get rid of completelely. No matter how many times you sterilize everything with a bleach solution, the problem returns. It can get very frustrating and expensive to constanly be battling. More and more innovative growers are moving toward a more wholistic approach of using good microbes in the reservoir with organic nutes or staying with strickly chemical nutes..
One option is to use no organic additives at all and to rely strictly on chemical nutrients based on fertilizer salts. We think a better choice is to continue using organic material, but also using an enzymatic addtive like Hygrozyme that will break down the unwanted organic matter in the reservoir . If you would like to use additives such as bat guano, compost or fish-based products, you might consider run to waste instead of a recirculating system.

Ed Rosenthal says about peroxide:

I found this article very interesting. It was written by Ed Rosenthal, and Major Tom first psoted a link to it. I se a lot of mis-information about peroxide, so I thought I'd start a peroxide thread, to give Hydro growers an opprotunity to share experiences with peroxide.
Here is the article:


by Ed Rosenthal.
How much hydrogen peroxide should be used?


When and how much hydrogen peroxide should I use in my hydroponic solution?

Hydrogen peroxide is a powerful oxidizer that can be used to destroy fungi, molds, bacteria and other infectious agents as well as some pollutants. Adding it to your water helps plants by destroying infectious agents and by adding oxygen to the roots' environment.
Hydrogen peroxide is an essential ingredient in maintaining a clean growing room. It replaces chlorine bleach, which is antiseptic but harmful to breathe. When added to reservoirs, hydrogen peroxide slows the growth of algae and other water organisms so that trays and utensils need to be cleaned less frequently. Soil and water borne diseases such as pythium and other stem and root rots occur at much lower rates in hydrogen peroxide-enriched water. Hydrogen peroxide works because of the oxidative reaction, so micro-organisms are unlikely to develop a tolerance.
There are many ways to add hydrogen peroxide to the water. A measured amount every three days is the crudest method, but still effectively enriches the water. A smaller measured amount daily would even out the peaks and valleys of oxygen in the water. Another method is to use a drip similar to an IV bag, which continuously adds a regulated amount. The most sophisticated method is a probe which measures the oxygen content of the water as an indirect means of measuring the hydrogen peroxide, and adds an appropriate amount as needed.
When used properly, hydrogen peroxide can keep infections in the garden to a minimum and stimulate root growth by increasing the oxygen content of the water. Hydrogen peroxide degrades into free oxygen and water over a three-day period. Some of the oxygen dissolves in the reservoir water and is used by the roots.
Different concentrations of hydrogen peroxide solution are available. It is sold diluted to 3% in drug stores. Some indoor garden shops sell 10% grade and 35% grade is sold in a few health food stores and over the Internet. The 3% hydrogen peroxide solution can be used topically to sterilize cuts and infections. Hydrogen peroxide solution at 10% burns skin. 35% hydrogen peroxide solution acts much like a concentrated acid and is handled as a hazardous, corrosive liquid.
The 10% hydrogen peroxide solution is sometimes used at rates as low as one ounce per 10 gallons water; however, enrichment using an ounce per gallon is more effective for disease control. When 35% hydrogen peroxide solution is used, it can be added at the rate of three ounces per 10 gallons of water. If a 3% solution is used, use three ounces per gallon of water.
ZeroTol is a peroxide-based commercial sterilizing agent used in the greenhouse industry. Its active ingredient, HO2, also breaks down into oxygen and water, but it is even more active than 35% hydrogen peroxide. It is used at the rate of one part per 300, or three ounces per 10 gallons, for excellent prevention of diseases and infections. ZeroTol is available from Bio-Safe Systems in Connecticut (1-888-273-3088; www.biosafesystems.com) and through some other gardening supply stores.


He seems to promote it more as a preventative, or aid, instead of a cure.
Anf as I researched the subject I learned that peroxide is better as a prevetative, than a cure. Like it really slows down algae growth, but it is not 100% effective at removing or killing it all.
I would also add it is NOT to be mixed with organic nutes, that is destructive and like pissing in the wind.
 

Legal Yooper

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Thanks for the pics of your root rot, thanks goodness my roots look nothing like that... I did have a tiny bit of that jelly like substance (algea) on my air line after not changing rez for 2 wks.... paranoia set in opened the window and currently its 63 at top of rez and 82 at canopy... humidity is reading like 10 % but outside air w/temp of 27 is suppose to have 94% humidity according to weather station. I have one of the lil baby humidifiers goin around the clock and have to fill twice a day and it still dont help much in the flower room.... Heres my NL and WW after 1 1/2 wks veg.. Apologize for not movin the lights but I'm drunk. high and lazy :)

WW from Nirv....lookin good despite one dying at birth and another that had a retarded seed leave, it actually grew one side of first leave serrated. Nice and bushy..
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NL also from Nirv... Sweet!!!!
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MAy start another journal under DWC... Instead of a 6 site I went with 4 site and bigger pots...
 

Legal Yooper

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Everything's lookin good since I learned what calyx's are :) Thanks RIU Especially Fabfun for setting me straight :) Whats the secret for getting good pics under the hps???

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I'm thinking these are more sativa and probably have 4 or 5 wks left.I've also not been changing my reservoirs, just adding water and a lil nutes if PPM drop below 1000. I have no algae or any build up at all and just couldn't see dumpin all them nutes down the drain. There also hard to move since they got so damn big... I tried tying em down to create a somewhat of an even canopy. ..

My NL and WW are doing good too. Kinda wish I would have waited a bit to start them. I didn't want to veg them as long. The WW is realy short and bushey some of the branches are outgrowing the top. Is this normal?

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Any comments are welcome :) Peace and Happy Growin!!
 

Legal Yooper

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5th wk into flowering. Been doing research as to how long these may take. Most of what I read says to get a 30x or higher magnifier and check trichs. Dont really have the funds to do so at the moment. Is there any other way? I also read where one guy says that 10 wks is about the max for any strain. Whats the longest you have ever had to flower? Getting anxious as I need the flower room ASAP... Appreciate any help

Oh yeah almost forgot, Growth has seemed to slow over the last couple days. Checked my ph pen and it was .5 on the high side. Once calibrated ph was at 4.9, I was keeping it around 5.5 but with pen off that would have only been 5. If the got nute lock from low ph will they bounce back and what ph should I give them? Thanks for looking!
 

Legal Yooper

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yeah its a jungle and these sativa dom. Mexican bag seed probably have 4 to 5 wks left before they're ready. Ordered a 30x loupe from eBay to check trichs should be here in the next couple days. It was only $4.00 delivered to my dooe so I'm hoping it will do the job.. Hairs are turning red and hoping it wont be that long but close up pics still show trichs as clear... Time will tell... Out of meds and its all I can do not to cut a few of the smaller buds BUT I will wait...

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Cheers and Happy Growin! Feel free to comment :)
 

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Legal Yooper

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Well I guess I was wrong on how long these had left. Their in their 7th wk of flowering and the trichs are cloudy with just a couple atarting to turn amber. The hairs on a couple of the branches have receede back into the bud and have taken on a "done" look. Cut a small branch to sample and discovered the crop has been pollinated. Not sure if it was in the beginning from the males or if it was from the one lil female that hermied,,, I do know i'll have a ton of seed... At least the smoke was good, buds are real sticky with alot of red in them.

So, I started flushing out the nutes, gonna flush until leaves turn yellow. My well water seems to get a little better in the winter. flush ppm was 140. I did adjust Ph but think I read somewhere thats it not necessary during flush. They may have been using RO water, dont recall.

Ready to move on from this grow and get my NL fems in the flower room. I hope they haven't or dont get pollinated and are indeed girls.... PEACE!!!
 
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