Butters' 400w SCROG Perpetual w/ Coco Hempy Style - Various Strains

Katatawnic

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I'll have to start looking at making a veg-cab soon for when I have to seperate my flowering ones from my veg ones. Lots of tag sales around here so I'll probably pick up an old chest and dresser and flip the thing. Gonna need a big one as I just harvested over 2200 Auto AK47 x Auto Blueberry F2 seeds :o:-D:clap:.

10 weeks seed to harvest with complete 18/6 lighting cycle should serve as one helluva back up for supply.
WOW.... them's a lot of seeds! :hump: That's surely more than a lifetime supply for me! :lol:

So how "good" are these auto-flowering strains RE: size, yield, quality, etc.? (I know this relies on environment. I'm simply asking in general.) I really like the idea of not having to change light cycles.... am I correct that this is the case with autos? If it is, I'm taking it you have a preferential reason for separate veg/flower areas?

Which auto strain(s) would you personally recommend? :D
 

(Butters)

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WOW.... them's a lot of seeds! :hump: That's surely more than a lifetime supply for me! :lol:

So how "good" are these auto-flowering strains RE: size, yield, quality, etc.? (I know this relies on environment. I'm simply asking in general.) I really like the idea of not having to change light cycles.... am I correct that this is the case with autos? If it is, I'm taking it you have a preferential reason for separate veg/flower areas?

Which auto strain(s) would you personally recommend? :D
Yeah. That seed run came from 2 plants. And I said "screw it...I'm not just gonna pollinate one branch...I'll just pollinate them all...3 times each month". It was a bit overkill I guess but I hadn't done a seedrun before and wanted to make sure I got enough...oops. :lol:

I've combed through more autogrows than I can count for the past 8 months or so, and most people's take home off of them is usually about 1 oz (usually soil).

That being said, my lowryder 2 grown in DiggityDanks 3-gallon DIY rubbermaid bubbler, with just a 150w HPS on it, with Fox farm Hydro nutes, pulled me 3 oz. Took me 3 months cuz i stunted the hell outta her for the 1st month, but they usually go 8-10 weeks seed to harvest.

So yield can be very good. But i would recommend hydro IMO.

Size will vary quite a bit. Usually around 1 ft. But the ruderalis-crosses tend to get taller (2 ft).

As far as quality, I've only tried Auto AK47, Auto Ak47 x Auto Blueberry, lowryder 2, and Auto White Russian. The crosses are the real key to quality. My lr2 messes me up real good. But the Auto AK and Auto BB x Auto AK have a more high-thc kick to them. Heard real good thing about the diesel-cross too.

Quality will suffer. I don't think the strongest auto- strain will ever be as strong as the strongest regular strain. :cry: But it's not all that far off. Cross-selection is limited so far, but increasing like each month on most of the major seedbanks.

As far as advantages I found:

1) Shorter Grow Cycle. the crosses go 10 weeks, just 2 weeks less than many non-auto strains. but the important part of the 10 weeks comes into play when we discuss light cycle.

2) Nutes. They barely take any. couldn't even get to 900ppm safely with the 3 oz lr2. And that is NOT a plant known for yield at all. That smaller size of FF hydro nutes...I could easily get through 25 plants before needing to buy more...probably quite a bit more than 25 plants.

3) Impossible To Kill. Okay, so maybe this is an overstatement. But my environment would run over 90, have humidity well below 30% early grow and then well over 60% late in the grow. I let algae go for 2.5 weeks...I actually was STUPID enough to let the algae go for 2.5 weeks :dunce:. Didn't check ph for 2.5 weeks (and it was way high)...

...And she lived. She was dead for awhile, hence the 3 week stunt (from the algae issue...and possibly others). But she lived, and once she got her grow environment right, and her grower got off his lazy ass(:shock:), she lived...and managed to give 3 oz. The seed run was even worse temps, RHs, pHs, and ppms...but they didnt stunt and gave over 1000 seeds.

The grow simplicity of these autos, at least what I've experienced, is nothing short of incredible. Like Jason Vorhees from Friday The 13th...they just won't die.

4) Light Cycle & The Limited Space SOG. With no space to form 2 chambers to get a real sog grow, but still wanting to get a constant supply, the autos give a new option. :o

Looking at gypsybush's and Al B's sog grows is great...but i didn't have that space at 1st (and cloning seemed like too much work for me). But I was fine with one room, one light cycle, and just seeds. So, I could use Al B's - Get A Harvest Every 2 Weeks design by just planting however many autos I wanted to harvest every 2 weeks (times 2...cuz of the males) ;-).

One room or One tent. One SOG. Constant harvest in small space. :mrgreen::clap:

IMO, this is their biggest advantage in the cultivation community.

Disadvantages I found:

1) Higher Light Bill. At either 18/6 or 20/4, and heavier lighting sources, you'll notice a change in the bill.

2) We discussed quality drawbacks already.

3) From Seed Only. Long story short, cloning autos is not a viable means. They are from seed only grows. Working from seed means variation in plants, unlike clones. Have to deal with germ rate and early growth issues. Also, you need alot of seeds to do a sog/perpetual as you'll hav to kill 1/2 of your plants.:cry:

3) The Sausage Party. From seed, you have to deal with about 50% males. In a SOG, this can be a pain (tangled roots in hydro, a small risk of pollination if you can't manage to identify the males quick enough, wasted nutes). This tangled-roots-thing is actually a MAJOR hangup in the sog idea with hydro. Once those roots tangle, you will damage the roots of the ladies by pulling out the males (but again...they won't die, just stunt). And seperate, smaller rez's = smaller plants and less yield. Same issue with soil/hempy/coco growing, smaller containers needed. I'm still working on a DIY tub design that can solve this problem so the roots won't tangle yet rez size can stay the same.


As for the current need for seperate chambers. Well, I moved my growspace to a space i didn't have available before (and didn't think i would). And it's a much better growing environment (even though it's a real pain for the meantime). And i have lovely non-autoflowering strains available to try new weed (cuz i'm too impatient).

And, if need be, i can continue to use my closet that I used and my 150w hps with cheapo set up to supplement my supply.

But, when I get serious about startin up a SOG with minimal work...the autos will be my choice easily.

I would highly recommend their consideration with a reasonable tent size set up or closet grow where 2 chambers may not be an option.

Butters :bigjoint:
 

howak47

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Yeah. That seed run came from 2 plants. And I said "screw it...I'm not just gonna pollinate one branch...I'll just pollinate them all...3 times each month". It was a bit overkill I guess but I hadn't done a seedrun before and wanted to make sure I got enough...oops. :lol:

I've combed through more autogrows than I can count for the past 8 months or so, and most people's take home off of them is usually about 1 oz (usually soil).

That being said, my lowryder 2 grown in DiggityDanks 3-gallon DIY rubbermaid bubbler, with just a 150w HPS on it, with Fox farm Hydro nutes, pulled me 3 oz. Took me 3 months cuz i stunted the hell outta her for the 1st month, but they usually go 8-10 weeks seed to harvest.

So yield can be very good. But i would recommend hydro IMO.

Size will vary quite a bit. Usually around 1 ft. But the ruderalis-crosses tend to get taller (2 ft).

As far as quality, I've only tried Auto AK47, Auto Ak47 x Auto Blueberry, lowryder 2, and Auto White Russian. The crosses are the real key to quality. My lr2 messes me up real good. But the Auto AK and Auto BB x Auto AK have a more high-thc kick to them. Heard real good thing about the diesel-cross too.

Quality will suffer. I don't think the strongest auto- strain will ever be as strong as the strongest regular strain. :cry: But it's not all that far off. Cross-selection is limited so far, but increasing like each month on most of the major seedbanks.

As far as advantages I found:

1) Shorter Grow Cycle. the crosses go 10 weeks, just 2 weeks less than many non-auto strains. but the important part of the 10 weeks comes into play when we discuss light cycle.

2) Nutes. They barely take any. couldn't even get to 900ppm safely with the 3 oz lr2. And that is NOT a plant known for yield at all. That smaller size of FF hydro nutes...I could easily get through 25 plants before needing to buy more...probably quite a bit more than 25 plants.

3) Impossible To Kill. Okay, so maybe this is an overstatement. But my environment would run over 90, have humidity well below 30% early grow and then well over 60% late in the grow. I let algae go for 2.5 weeks...I actually was STUPID enough to let the algae go for 2.5 weeks :dunce:. Didn't check ph for 2.5 weeks (and it was way high)...

...And she lived. She was dead for awhile, hence the 3 week stunt (from the algae issue...and possibly others). But she lived, and once she got her grow environment right, and her grower got off his lazy ass(:shock:), she lived...and managed to give 3 oz. The seed run was even worse temps, RHs, pHs, and ppms...but they didnt stunt and gave over 1000 seeds.

The grow simplicity of these autos, at least what I've experienced, is nothing short of incredible. Like Jason Vorhees from Friday The 13th...they just won't die.

4) Light Cycle & The Limited Space SOG. With no space to form 2 chambers to get a real sog grow, but still wanting to get a constant supply, the autos give a new option. :o

Looking at gypsybush's and Al B's sog grows is great...but i didn't have that space at 1st (and cloning seemed like too much work for me). But I was fine with one room, one light cycle, and just seeds. So, I could use Al B's - Get A Harvest Every 2 Weeks design by just planting however many autos I wanted to harvest every 2 weeks (times 2...cuz of the males) ;-).

One room or One tent. One SOG. Constant harvest in small space. :mrgreen::clap:

IMO, this is their biggest advantage in the cultivation community.

Disadvantages I found:

1) Higher Light Bill. At either 18/6 or 20/4, and heavier lighting sources, you'll notice a change in the bill.

2) We discussed quality drawbacks already.

3) From Seed Only. Long story short, cloning autos is not a viable means. They are from seed only grows. Working from seed means variation in plants, unlike clones. Have to deal with germ rate and early growth issues. Also, you need alot of seeds to do a sog/perpetual as you'll hav to kill 1/2 of your plants.:cry:

3) The Sausage Party. From seed, you have to deal with about 50% males. In a SOG, this can be a pain (tangled roots in hydro, a small risk of pollination if you can't manage to identify the males quick enough, wasted nutes). This tangled-roots-thing is actually a MAJOR hangup in the sog idea with hydro. Once those roots tangle, you will damage the roots of the ladies by pulling out the males (but again...they won't die, just stunt). And seperate, smaller rez's = smaller plants and less yield. Same issue with soil/hempy/coco growing, smaller containers needed. I'm still working on a DIY tub design that can solve this problem so the roots won't tangle yet rez size can stay the same.


As for the current need for seperate chambers. Well, I moved my growspace to a space i didn't have available before (and didn't think i would). And it's a much better growing environment (even though it's a real pain for the meantime). And i have lovely non-autoflowering strains available to try new weed (cuz i'm too impatient).

And, if need be, i can continue to use my closet that I used and my 150w hps with cheapo set up to supplement my supply.

But, when I get serious about startin up a SOG with minimal work...the autos will be my choice easily.

I would highly recommend their consideration with a reasonable tent size set up or closet grow where 2 chambers may not be an option.

Butters :bigjoint:
THATS A DANK LOOKIN PLANT BUTTERS !!! I JUST POSTED SUM NEW PICS ON THREAD I GOT ANOTHER FEMALE TODAY !!!!! https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/205127-zona-mid-aero-cfl-grow-43.html#post2855815:weed:
 

ZEN MASTER

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"THAT'S ALOT OF DAMN SEEDS MAN, JESUS CHRIST, I'D BE JEALOUS OF YOU IF IT WOULD GET ME ANYWHERE IN LIFE"LOL.
Dude for real, how was the smoke on "THAT" plant right there. because it looks like it is some heavy smoke, real knockout material. I'ma tell you something i just read that post and the more and more you talk about them the more i want to grow 'em. Cause my flower area can hold 21 3gal pots, or 38-40 1gal pots. And check this, while those 21 pots are being flowered, I'll be replacing every male plant with a new seed. that is how i would work the perpetual angle. In theory: however long it takes the males to show sex will determine the length of time between harvest(ON PAPER IT WORKS). But anyway while they are out there doing their thing, I'll be growing my NL, and BV in my veg closet, that's the benefit of having extra ballast. Because i have it set up where all i have to do is disconnect my metal ballast from the cooltube cord, and reconnect the sodium ballast, and of course change the bulbs. But hell i could be doing 20 autos outside under the two 400 sodium lights for 18/6, and 5NL's, and 5BV's in the closet on a constant basis. but before i start slobbering at the mouth from the shear thought of all those plants, i would just like to know in your honest opinion what is the strongest auto out there, or at least what is the strongest "you've" had, and the reason i ask is because i have a pretty high tolerance(i guess), cause when i smoke with my friends i'll be pretty high, you know buzzing REAL good, but my friends will be totally wrecked, like they were woven into the couch. that's why i ordered the NL, cause they say it's some real knockout type stuff. but back to my original question: What's the strongest auto on either end, either knockout body blow effect or up in the sky free fall effect. just your opinion because i'm really considering doing this man.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
 

Katatawnic

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Yeah. That seed run came from 2 plants. And I said "screw it...I'm not just gonna pollinate one branch...I'll just pollinate them all...3 times each month". It was a bit overkill I guess but I hadn't done a seedrun before and wanted to make sure I got enough...oops. :lol:

I've combed through more autogrows than I can count for the past 8 months or so [....]
Thanks for the detailed info, Butters! That is by far the best "review" I've read yet! Pros, cons, everything in between.... Rep for sure! :hump:

Guess now I know not to pollinate like mad, unless I want a lifetime supply of seeds for myself and every grower I'll ever meet! ;) With that amount, I'll bet it's hard to pick and choose which look to be the "best" ones, eh? :lol:
 

(Butters)

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"THAT'S ALOT OF DAMN SEEDS MAN, JESUS CHRIST, I'D BE JEALOUS OF YOU IF IT WOULD GET ME ANYWHERE IN LIFE"LOL.
Dude for real, how was the smoke on "THAT" plant right there. because it looks like it is some heavy smoke, real knockout material. I'ma tell you something i just read that post and the more and more you talk about them the more i want to grow 'em. Cause my flower area can hold 21 3gal pots, or 38-40 1gal pots. And check this, while those 21 pots are being flowered, I'll be replacing every male plant with a new seed. that is how i would work the perpetual angle. In theory: however long it takes the males to show sex will determine the length of time between harvest(ON PAPER IT WORKS). But anyway while they are out there doing their thing, I'll be growing my NL, and BV in my veg closet, that's the benefit of having extra ballast. Because i have it set up where all i have to do is disconnect my metal ballast from the cooltube cord, and reconnect the sodium ballast, and of course change the bulbs. But hell i could be doing 20 autos outside under the two 400 sodium lights for 18/6, and 5NL's, and 5BV's in the closet on a constant basis. but before i start slobbering at the mouth from the shear thought of all those plants, i would just like to know in your honest opinion what is the strongest auto out there, or at least what is the strongest "you've" had, and the reason i ask is because i have a pretty high tolerance(i guess), cause when i smoke with my friends i'll be pretty high, you know buzzing REAL good, but my friends will be totally wrecked, like they were woven into the couch. that's why i ordered the NL, cause they say it's some real knockout type stuff. but back to my original question: What's the strongest auto on either end, either knockout body blow effect or up in the sky free fall effect. just your opinion because i'm really considering doing this man.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
The strongest I've had so far is the Auto BB x Auto AK that I did the seed run on. Have a few friends that swear by the Diesel Ryder cross (haven't tried it myself).

The auto bb x auto ak cross is an uppy high. Energy soared for me. Definately NOT for insomnia at all. Lacks the medicinal properties that I was looking for. Just a touch of sweet taste but nothing overwhelmingly blueberry-like.

Truth be told, the "best" auto strain simply hasn't been made yet. 8 months ago, there were only 2 seed distrubutors working on creating autos. Now there are about 8.

And no one that I have read about has tried crossing them with great strains like NL, white rhino, C99, mazaar, big bud (for yield), god bud, super silver haze, and on and on and on. :cry:

Plus, there doesn't seem to be a true "medicinal" cross yet. I was told that this was what the auto white russian's purpose was...but no. The ruderalis component was dominant in the smoke but it was a cross with the original lowryder, which IS very weak.

This is why I bought the lowryder 2 seeds. It's a lowryder cross that's stronger than the 1st lowryder and has better yield (:lol:...I thought it was just gonna be a LITTLE better producer) while still retaining a VERY strong autoflowering trait (hence why they use it in most of the crosses now-a-days). So, I pollinated her early on to get seeds to use for future crosses should a find a strain that I want to try crossing it with without having to use the LR1 genetics alone.

Now, the tolerance issue. The basic LR2 that is featured in the picture gets me messed. Much more messed than I anticipated by reading about it. But not even close to the strongest I've had, but...

As usual, I water cured a good amount of it. I can't stand waiting all that time growing just to chop and have to wait another few weeks before I can smoke. Water curing is just 7 days and then about 1 day drying (given appropriate conditions).

But a funny thing happens when we water-cure bud. You LOSE more bud weight/mass. :cry:

But you KEEP all the thc of the bud. :-D

Less bud mass + same thc = higher concentration of thc per mass. In other words, stronger bud! :shock::hug:

What I described above about thc content and bud mass is not theory. This has been assayed to demonstrate that you keep the thc and lose mass. Terrible for commercial puposes, but ideal for personal use.

So, with strength of smoke and tolerance issues, problem solved! :weed:

With your space and lighting Zen, you could have a HUGE set up there. Remember, the rez for my simple LR2 girl in the pic was just 3 gallons (mostly horizontal rez so it took up horizontal space). But with 3 gallon rez's going vertically, like nice tall containers, and that space...the problems that I mentioned previously about the SOG method cease to be true. That means pack'em in tightly, lollipop them to keep their horizontal growth fixed on the vertical axis, and bam...you could be pulling off 1-3 oz plants per rez in just 10 weeks time...in a perpetual/SOG method. :o:shock::weed::blsmoke::mrgreen:

Have to say that I haven't tried coco with the autos. I will swear by hydro bubblers for these. But in theory, with coco being more hydro than soil, yields and quality should be very similar.

And with 2 400w hps' on them, you could have a forest of big buds. Remember, my light was only a single 150w hps and a 3 oz plant...or as some would measure it .53 grams/watt. That's nothin. And that's cuz I half-assed my set up, environment, grow technique...just about everything. God forbid I put in the work that Gypsy and Al B put in their set ups, I could've REALLY pushed that strain to make even more, even better bud.

Your plan of replacing the males with new seeds is spot on too. Just a matter of dating the plants to keep track. But spot on and dooable. Oh yeah, and the males show sex in week 2...nice and early.

Butters :bigjoint:
 

(Butters)

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Thanks for the detailed info, Butters! That is by far the best "review" I've read yet! Pros, cons, everything in between.... Rep for sure! :hump:

Guess now I know not to pollinate like mad, unless I want a lifetime supply of seeds for myself and every grower I'll ever meet! ;) With that amount, I'll bet it's hard to pick and choose which look to be the "best" ones, eh? :lol:
:lol:

Yeah. I tend to get a bit wordy and descriptive. I hope no one who was REALLY stoned just tried to read that post...they're probably in a coma by now :lol:

The seeds all look great. Only identified about 40 that look small or cracked. Tiger striped. Their real test will be germ rate though. This will be tested and posted soon. Luckily, with sooo many seeds, I'll actually have a big enough sample size to get accurate percentages of germ-rate here.

P.S. I catch your posts all the time in other threads and have found them to be incredibly informative and very well explained. Always helpin out us noobs and clarifying mis-conceptions. We're very lucky to hav you on this site Kat. Thanks for doin what you do.

Butters :bigjoint:
 

(Butters)

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Well. It's been an intersting weekend...

I finally decided on the type of screen that i want to use and i made it. It's in Pic1.

Pic2 is the injury I sustained making the screen.:cry:

I was cutting the green wire with a pair of some mean scissors...and wham!...Took part of my finger off! :shock::o:cry:.................:fire:

4 hours at the ER later, it finally got stitched and wrapped.

And it's killing me :cuss::cuss::cuss:

But on to better news...

I added the canna coco A+B for the 1st time today. The ph was just a couple'a'points low so it was easy to fix. Just added about 3/4 gallon to the rez (until I saw it overflowing the hempy rez).

Conditions are much better now. Temp: 77 F...RH: 50%...:hug:

As for the BV plant, well...she still looks pretty freaky to me. Definately no problem with node spacing here. She's packed tight.

You might be able to see some damage to one of the leaves. No idea what did this but it doesn't appear to be disease related so no biggie.

The is also the feakishly-long leaf as well. No idea what the deal with this is. The whole plant is like 4", and this one leaf is like 3" long. very strange.

Aside from some freakish parts though, she looks pretty good. New sets of leaves everyday and nice, lush color to her. :mrgreen:

Moving the 150w hps to use for veg to try and speed things up. No worries about stretching given the size of the screen I'll have her in.

Comments and suggestions are welcome as always.

Butters :bigjoint:
 

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howak47

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Well. It's been an intersting weekend...

I finally decided on the type of screen that i want to use and i made it. It's in Pic1.

Pic2 is the injury I sustained making the screen.:cry:

I was cutting the green wire with a pair of some mean scissors...and wham!...Took part of my finger off! :shock::o:cry:.................:fire:

4 hours at the ER later, it finally got stitched and wrapped.

And it's killing me :cuss::cuss::cuss:

But on to better news...

I added the canna coco A+B for the 1st time today. The ph was just a couple'a'points low so it was easy to fix. Just added about 3/4 gallon to the rez (until I saw it overflowing the hempy rez).

Conditions are much better now. Temp: 77 F...RH: 50%...:hug:

As for the BV plant, well...she still looks pretty freaky to me. Definately no problem with node spacing here. She's packed tight.

You might be able to see some damage to one of the leaves. No idea what did this but it doesn't appear to be disease related so no biggie.

The is also the feakishly-long leaf as well. No idea what the deal with this is. The whole plant is like 4", and this one leaf is like 3" long. very strange.

Aside from some freakish parts though, she looks pretty good. New sets of leaves everyday and nice, lush color to her. :mrgreen:

Moving the 150w hps to use for veg to try and speed things up. No worries about stretching given the size of the screen I'll have her in.

Comments and suggestions are welcome as always.

Butters :bigjoint:
nice screen i need to make one of those!!!!lookin good
 

ZEN MASTER

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DAMMIT!!!!!!! SORRY ABOUT YOUR FINGER MAN, OUCH!!!!!!
YOU WROTE"I added the canna coco A+B for the 1st time today. The ph was just a couple'a'points low so it was easy to fix. Just added about 3/4 gallon to the rez (until I saw it overflowing the hempy rez)."
WHAT REZ ARE YOU USING, OR WHAT IS A HEMPY REZ, IS IT DESIGNED FOR THE USE OF COCO? BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ARE USING STRAIGHT COCO OR SOME TYPE OF RESERVOIR BASED SYSTEM, BUT THAT IS MORE OF A DRAIN TO WASTE TYPE OF NUTE. BUT HIT ME BACK AND LET ME KNOW WHAT A HEMPY REZ IS.
 

(Butters)

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Yeah. A hempy bucket is basically just a typical bucket, but instead of putting some holes at the bottom of it for run off, you drill about a 1/2" sized hole about 2" from the bottom, thereby creating a small rez. Results with these hempy buckets is very good as they have constant access to water and nutes, much like hydro.

As coco is essentially a hydro system and retains near-perfect amount of water already, most just use a regular bucket/pot with no rez.

I did it with just a slight augmentation. My previous lr2 plant drank over a gallon per day, so i struggled with the idea of a plant having limited water access in full flower mode. With the "constant access to lots of water" system I used with my last grow, I got really good results.

So, I chose to do a hempy bucket style grow to give it some type of a rez. On that 2" worth of rez, there is actually no coco, just hydroton pellets. By doing this, I allow the coco to do what it does, and the runoff, still pretty thick with water and usable nutes gets to hang out in the rez. :mrgreen:

This rez is irrelevant now as the roots probably havent even come close to hitting the bottom yet. But, come full flower time, it'll have access to some extra water and nutes should the need arise.

I need to add water every few days with this system come flower time. This will get more dissolved oxygen in there so nothing gets stagnant in there.

This is more of an experiment as I havent read of anyone doing hempy and coco togther. But, I figured I'd give it a shot and see. Afterall, I couldn't bring myself to give up hydro alltogether. ;-)

Butters :bigjoint:
 

ZEN MASTER

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I'll be honest with you man, i'm not too sure about that way. But hey you did sat it was an experiment, and as far as that goes, i figure how can can we be innovative if we don't explore new thoughts and ideas, you know. in other words let me know how it works out because i'm always up for trying something new. But just do me one favor, take some clones.


Peace!!!
-zen-
 

ZEN MASTER

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hey man what up! got something i just wanted to show you real quick., as far as how cool this stuff is. the first pic is my BLUE VENOM after i let it go just a little too long without feeding it, just about a day and a half(purposely for the sake of the example). now the first pic i took was at 11:00p.m. on the nose, and the next was taken at exactly 11:33p.m.. i just wanted to show you how quick the nutes start to be absorbed, that's all.
 

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(Butters)

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hey man what up! got something i just wanted to show you real quick., as far as how cool this stuff is. the first pic is my BLUE VENOM after i let it go just a little too long without feeding it, just about a day and a half(purposely for the sake of the example). now the first pic i took was at 11:00p.m. on the nose, and the next was taken at exactly 11:33p.m.. i just wanted to show you how quick the nutes start to be absorbed, that's all.
WOW! I mean holy crap. Talk about quick turnaround. Great example there Zen. :clap:

Haven't seen anything work that quick since that ET movie. :lol:

I don't think they do that THAT quickly in soil. Quite the coco deomnstration there my friend.

Keep those pics to post on a coco only thread. That's a nice visual for the power of this medium we're using.

Update with pics comin soon...And she's lookin real good now.

-Butters :bigjoint:
 

howak47

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hey man what up! got something i just wanted to show you real quick., as far as how cool this stuff is. the first pic is my BLUE VENOM after i let it go just a little too long without feeding it, just about a day and a half(purposely for the sake of the example). now the first pic i took was at 11:00p.m. on the nose, and the next was taken at exactly 11:33p.m.. i just wanted to show you how quick the nutes start to be absorbed, that's all.
DAMN MAN THATS FAST WORKIN STUFF LOOKIN GOOD KEEP IT UP!!!:):mrgreen:
 

ZEN MASTER

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hey butters, i got a link from advanced nutrients.www.advancednutrients.com/grower-x i know you are at heart a hydro guy so this will probably very interesting to you, also you might be able to understand a little bit more of it than i did, but i was able to pull some good ideas from it, like pinching off the little buds that are at the bottom of the branch. but check it out tell me how you like it. also they have quite a few other videos and articles on their web site i think its call growers underground or something, but when you pull this up it will show the site name. so check it out.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
 

(Butters)

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What's good all?! :mrgreen:

Just want to thank all who are stopping bye and checking this out and contributing and all.

Here are the updated pics taken just today.

Well, apparently she's responding well to the addition of the Canna Coco A+B. I also switched the light source from the DIY cfl light fixture pictured earlier to my 150w HPS earlier this week. The growth difference has been rather significant. :clap:

Node spacing looks good and there doesn't appear to be any stretching. I'm gonna definately need to FIM and add the screen soon.

As you can see, the mold is back today. Ah, the mold. For those who haven't seen my other grows, I always have one mortal enemy/nemesis per grow. My 1st Aerogarden grow, my plant battled with a tomato plant (I left the original tomato seed in the AG grow plug...oops:dunce:), the 2nd grow in DWC I battled with algae that stunted everything for a month. And now...the damn mold. :fire: :cuss:

It's not there every day. Just when my dehumidifier's rez gets full and shuts off. This happens once a day and I'm sure if I timed it correctly, I could get it so that it's only off for a little bit. As for now, I'll just keep scooping it out and rearranging the coco. Can't wait for this humid summer to end.

In brighter news, the finger is looking better too. Hardly even looks like there's a piece missing. :mrgreen:

And more good news. My new 400w HPS and Black and White Poly film got here. :clap:

Which will make this weekend a busy "set up" weekend. I've never done anything with black and white poly and making a grow tent before, so I am likely to end up in a body cast given the damage I did to myself just making a scrog screen :lol:

And I'm still very undecided on the ventillation issue so I'll just be using fans without any "true" venting outdoors yet (and no carbon filer). Since it's all still in veg (4 weeks now), I probably won't need to set up the carbon filter and I'll only test the 400w hps in the room to see what happens with temps.

As for temps right now, they are PERFECT! :-D

Temp: 76 F
RH: 45% (with dehudiifier on, up to 65% with it off)

That's all for now folks. Thanks again for stopping by. I'll post pics as soon as I get the tent set up. Now...how the hell am I gonna put this tent material together? This might take awhile. :dunce::mrgreen:

-Butters :bigjoint:
 

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howak47

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lookin good butters keep it up !!!!:)yea u got that temp perfect! when u got time stop by my new thread
 

(Butters)

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Yeeeaaahhh Boooyyy!

Set up the 400w HPS with NO cooltube just to experiment.

Temp: 79 F
Distance: 18" from plant

That's MUCH better than I anticipated. It's only a 6" increase in distance from the 150hps set up and a 3-4 degree jump...

...with 90 ambient temps outdoors and NO air conditioning in the area. :o:clap::-P

This will change when I get the tent walls set up of course but it means that I should EASILY be able to both pull in cool air and vent through the cooltube once it's set up.

No need for 2 seperate exhaust/intake systems with expensive HV fans. Probably no need to even vent air outside until next summer. :-o:clap:

I still may switch back to the 150 hps for veg though for a couple a reasons:

A) vegging with hps will stretch the plant more. No biggie for me as long as I keep to scrog technique (the screen actually eliminates stretch issues). But keeping the light closer to the plant will eliminate excessive light dispersion thereby maximizing my light use...a big goal in this set up for me.

B) With 2 hps lights, I can afford to transform one of them (the 150w) to a MH ballast/grow. Zen did this with his 400w and differences in his veg growth have been nothing short of amazing (:clap:). With a 150w MH for veg and a 400w HPS for flower, I feel I can "speed" up my grows a bit here while maximizing my flowering.

Another added bonus to the upcoming cooler temps here in the Northeast US is that I can vent all of my hot air directly into my house for warmth. :mrgreen:

My grow space is adjacent to some stairs leading from the basement to the upstairs living room area. So, by using a hole-saw to cut a hole into just one of those stairs, and getting a 4" fan (nothing fancy, probably just one of the 7$ fans from walmart), and just adding a whopping 2' of ducting...I can pull the cool air from my basement (cool is an understatement come winter time. It'll be like 40F in there) over the 400wHPS bulb, outta the tent, into the stairwell leading upstairs and dumping 79f air up there. The laws of thermodynamics will take care of the rest (i.e. heat rises to heat the upstairs area).

This is a VERY nice added bonus to this grow that I didn't initially anticipate. Come winter time and the below 30 degree temps we get, my heating costs (electric) come to about $300 a month.

Yeah. I'll say that again. About 1000 sq. ft area costs $300 a month to heat. :shock:

And thats just keeping the place at like 55-60f tops.

Given that cost of heat, and the ability to utilize my cooltube air to heat my place, I could easily look into upgrading to a 600w or even a 1000 watter and not feel a pinch in the electric bill. Matter of fact, I'd probably save a bunch. That's all further down the road of course, but a very nice development none-the-less. :idea:

I'll post some pics once I have the tent walls set up with the black and white poly. Anyone here ever build there own grow tent using PVC and black and white poly film?

If so, I'm gonna need your advice soon.:mrgreen:

-Butters :bigjoint:
 
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