hey everybobdy out there, what up! Well this is not my first grow but it is my first journal. I've been growing indoors consistently for a little over a year and a half now using coco coir(this stufff is pretty fucking good)and i finally feel like i'm ready to show you guys a little something.
Let's start with the growing areas
first is the clone box. My neighbor was throwing out this cabinet, and when i saw it i knew it would be just perfect(1'x2'x18")with floro lights, and small chains to hang them:total cost $18.
Next is the veg closet. Went to Home Depot bought two 4x8 sheets of plywood and some 2x4's($21), and made a closet(3'x4'x6'). For now i'll be running one 400wt hps in it, with a cool tube($96),one 117 cfm axial fan($22),and two bathroom exhaust fans(one for exhaust, one to bring in air,$35)and one small fan to circulate the air $7:total cost $182.
Next we have the flowering area. Now the room in itself is 10'x12', but seeing that i'm only using two 400wt hps lights i've sectioned off a 3'x8' area, and made a sort of drainage ramp out of one sheet of plywood some 2x4's and some corrugated plastic(hope i spelled that right)total cost:$22-$25. That gives me enough room for 18-20 3 gal pots and taking into account the space the lights will take up i have about seven and a half feet of vertical space. Now i didn't mention the cost of the lights because all one has to do is go on craig's list and find one for a real good price.


P.S. COULD SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME BY TELLING ME HOW TO POST MY PICS, ALSO I AM LOOKING FOR ALL COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS, BITS OF ADVICE , AND EVEN SHORT STORIES OF LOVE LOST.lol.BUT SERIOUSLY COME ON IN, SI TBACK, RELAX, AND ENJOY YOURSELF . WE GOT ABOUT 9WEEKS AND 5 DAYS TO GO.

Now that we have that out of the way let's talk about the medium. I personally love coco coir. It's just awesome. Some say that its expensive to use, but it really depends how you look at it. For me , it's not. All I use is the Canna Coco, the two part A-B nutes, and floralicious bloom for flowering. That's it, the 50 liter bag of coco is $25, the A-B solutions are only $25 together, and the floralicious bloom is about $24. That's $75,now just say you have ten 3gal pots, the A-B solution(which is used for entire veg-flower cycle), and one bag of coco will last a whole 8-12 week cycle, and one bottle of the floralicious bloom will last dam near forever, if you hand water like me(precise measurements per instructions on bottle). So think about it, ten plants, $75 for 8-12 weeks, that's just $75 for an entire crop from beginning to harvest, watering probably about once a week. Plus sincethe coco is so light it has an amazing water retention capacity, and it allows for an incredible root mass to form, and it is easy as fuck to use and you get excellent results. Well that's basically it for the medium, I don't want to gush about this coco too much because i don't want anyone to think I'm a canna rep, but.......IT'S THE SHIT!!!!!

well that's it for now I'll be back monday, hopefully someone can tell me how to post my pics by then.





PEACE!!!!
-ZEN-

Scribed.

Starting a very similar grow myself. Blue Venom is germing right as we speak. Just added water to the Coco Coir GH bricks that I got. My 1st coco grow so I'm experimenting here but I'm glad you have some experience with this medium (that's my way of saying that I am going to bombard you with ?s at some point ).

As for the pics. Just go to "Go Advanced" on the very bottom of your thread. Scroll down on the next screen to "Manage Attachments". Click one of the "Browse" tabs (there will be 4) and just click on the pic that you want to import. Only import 2 at a time though. Always crashes on me when I go over 2 at a time. Note, I don't mean that you can only POST 2 pics at a time, just import them no more than 2 at a time. Post all the pics you want

Have you used any other nutes since you started with coco as a medium? I have Fox Farm Hydro nutes and am concerned about using them with this medium (not really concerned...just unsure if they will create any problems). I have read a few posts of people using FloraNova with very good success so I assume that is compatible. Sadly, I have no access to the Canna A+B that you have (hydro shop doesnt carry it) but man, what a sweet deal they are. $25 total for the whole grow nute-wise. Not bad

Best of luck with the grow boss.

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Ok so here is the pics of my clone cabinet and veg cabinet
1.clone cab
2.veg cab
3-6.fans ducting, cool tube, and the floor space(10 3gal. pots)

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hey Butters thanks for tuning it, btw i love butters.
Congrats on the move to coco, like i said before it is awesome. As far as any other nutes the only other thing i use other than the a-b is the G-H Floralicious Bloom, it really helps put a little more size on the buds, but it really improves the flavor, and aroma of the buds. Now as far as any thing else ive tried CANNA's BOOST(supposed to be the equivilant to floralicious but better)but at almost 100 bucks, compared to floalicious-$30, the small amount more it yielded wasn't worth the price(0.1gram more).
Now i hear others talking about other nutes and such. But IMO and in my experience if it isn't specifically desinged for coco it will ruin your yield, maybe not destroy it, but definitely diminish it.
iv'e tried the bricks that you add water to, and they are ok, i just like canna's stuff, it just looks , smells, and feels cleaner to me, but that's just me. I also know a few people that have had success with the bricks, but we all use 400 sodium lights, and my buds just come out a litte bit better, not by leaps and bounds, but better.
I dont know if you have any phobia about ordering on line, but you can get the coco and the nutes all day on line, and sometimes tha a-b is a little cheaper. Only reason i dont try to save any money online is because my hydro shop is only like 15 miles away, but you can check that out, just google CANNA COCO COIR retailers.
And another thing with coco, and iv'e found its easier and cleaner with canna, is that it is reusable up to one to two growing cycles. No rinsing, nothing. Just after you chop your babies you can either 1.Take it out the pot and let it dry in the shape of the container(takes longer to dry, but it is easier to shake loose and keep the roots intact which makes it easier to discard them.or
2.You can break it up and lay it out to dry(inside only,little critters from the outside find this stuff particularly fun to play in, and make a home in)and when it dries just pick up a hand full and shake it into another container,and discard the roots. Dont worry about all of them just get what you can.
Damn man didnt mean to run on like that, but i guess i like to be as clear as possible, so yea if you want to know anything holler at me. If i know the answer i give you my best, also if i dont i wont tell you what i THINK might work, you know what i mean.
But anywho this is all i use(and tap water screw the r/o), probably in the next post or two i will be putting up my nute strengths as far as cloning, vegging, and flowering.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

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THE GEAR!!!!!!!!
well like i said i am going to be using Nirvana's Northern Lights, and G-13 Labs Blue Venom.
even though this grow will start with clones, i just thought that i wolud show you all the ladies that were willing to sacrifice their limbs to the cause.
It was cool because i germed 5 NL seeds and the blue venom.
Everything came out swell all six seeds popped, and out of the five NL beans only one was a boy. But out of the other four i was able to get both phenos(lucky me!!!). Two sativa looking phenos, and two shorter indica/sativa looking phenos. i hate that that one was a boy, but i will make lemonade and try to harvest some pollen to make some more seeds(yea for me!!!!!)
So here they are, now the tall plants are some sour diesel that i'm growing,they have about four more weeks to go, and i only did those in 1gal pots(just trying something different), but you still see how good they get in the coco. hope you guys can see them alright, all i have is a camera phone.
First are the sativa phenos(one is shorter because i topped it).
Next are the mixed looking phenos.
And last is the blue venom.(Butters this is an awsome plant man, you are just going to love watching it grow, it just looks so strong)


Side note: this is the first time ive grown something that i had to order,
most have just been bagseed, and
i'm telling you these are the most beautiful plants ive grown indoors, period.
they all had four weeks of veg, when i put them out to flower stretching slowed down to
about .25 inches after exactly 9 days. Up until then they all(NL, BLUE V)jumped about
1"-2" a day , also i kept the light as close as possible without endangering the babies.
Tomorrow i will put up my "stretch report".

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Very nice set up Zen.

Any particular methods you use in the flowering area (sog, scrog, lst, topping, fim'ing, 12/12 from clone, re-veg, etc). You've got some options with that flowering space there and a total of 3 - 400w HPS lights on hand. Not sure if you've seen M Blaze's grow yet (Pics of the new girls) but if desired, you may have the space and lighting to pull something of that sort off (he's another coco enthusiast).

Thanks for all of the advice. The more and more I read, the more and more I'm feeling the canna line for coco. Always try and avoid online ordering but I'm am willing to swallow that pill for those prices.

With 10 plants going, what's the yield you are shooting for?

Also, as a mylar enthusiast myself, I would consider using highly reflective white paint in #3-6 pics. Those wrinkles in the reflective paper can create some hot-spots. Nothing too bad, but hot-spots none the less. Buddy of mine just partially fried a dozen plants because of something like that . If you've already grown succesfully in there, no worries then.

As for the BV...mine actually germed at 8 hours! Haven't had that happen before. Already in the humidity dome. Very glad to hear that you're having = success with it as I haven't had much luck with G13 strains before (always have done them outside though). Just figured I'd start coco-growing with a G13 strain as I won't cry if it goes wrong. Long term, looking to use white rhino and super silver haze in this medium.

Thanks again!

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I'll tell you what tomorrow I had planned on putting a post up on my clones. i think you will be very interested in my method, not saying its original(because theres nothing new under the sun), but since i did not get the idea from anyone, i can say MY method,LOL. Its really kinda cool. i have a clone that's ready to be potted, so tonight i'll take some pics and show you what i mean. No hints, but i think you might adopt this way also.
And yea whatever strain works, especially if it is a strain that generally exhibits vigorous or aggressive root growth, oh man its like peanut butter and jelly, they just go together. and the way i clone puts all of those advantages together as one.




PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

Nice! Can't wait to check it out.

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hey, got those pics. all i did was one , it was a BV clone that for some reason just exploded with root growth. but anyway here's how i do my clones. i used to start them in little 6oz. dixie cups. good plan but the problem was when i went to transplant them to the 1gal pots or even the 3gal pots, i had a root mass that started between 2-4 inches from the BOTTOM of my pot,which by the end of the cycle was very root bound. but just mostly the bottom half. so after trying different sized cups to start them in, i thought about using rockwool. see with the rockwool you get a root system that is already pointing in all sorts of directions, at the very top of the pot. giving more room for the roots to grow in veg. and of course more roots during the veg cycle gave me thicker, and stronger branches and a stronger main stalk. which mind you didn't necessarily get me a larger yield(though they did average more than those before them), it did give me a stronger, healthier looking plant. which did come in handy as far as resisting pest, fluctuating temps, low/high humidity and a lot of other things. so i got some 1.5in. or either 2in., not sure actually what size they are but you might be able to tell from the pic, but anyway i cut some clones, put them in some rockwool cubes and let them root. as far as the nutes for the clones i just used about 20-25% strength of the amount of the A-B that they suggest you use. 40ml of each A and the B to every 10L, so that's about 4ml per 1L. so i use about 0.5ml of each per 1L of TAP WATER(SIDE NOTE:never mix the A-B together, whatever brand it is, NEVER. always agitate your A with your water first then add your B with the rest water and agitate, whatever amount your'e mixing, and always let sit for at least an hour.)
But back to the clone for the day. this particular clone was originally supposed to be the top two on my BV plant, but i decided that i didn't want 14 shoots, only 12, so i cut those two off and left them attatched to each other. and as you can see that is the result. i think the roots were so many because the stem was thicker than the rest. but anyway you can probably figure it out from the pics, but i will give you a play by play anyway.
1. filled a 1gal pot with coco and dug out about a 2.5"-3" hole.
2. took my clone and positioned the roots pointing downward.
3. cut the roots to about 1"-1.5"(optional)
4. place clone in hole, about 0.5" below the surface, and cover.
5. add nutes, after they have set for at least an hour.
After that i'm going to put it in the veg cab probably for about a week and then put in out to flower(that's not what i usually do, but i do want to see how well the NL and BV respond to early flowering, but that'sf or another thread)

To feed my plants i hand water and for that i used 1L soda pop bottles. i also used them to measure out larger amounts of water, since the measurements on the bottle are metric. it works out to be pretty close and precise. if i need 10L of water i just pour 10 1L bottles of water in a 5gal jug, easy. and for the A-B solutions i use a plastic measuring syringe that has increments of 1ml, up to 60ml.

Btw the plants looks kinda wilted, but all that was is that the a/c in my living room was blowing so cold that the humidity in the room was very dry, and i guess that was too much of an extreme change from the dome to that, so they kinda fell down. it would have been worse if i had not been misting them with water during the process. next time i'll just do it in the back part of my house which is a little hotter and more humid.

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