hey Butters, if you would could you tell me how to post a link to my grow on my page. like you did your DWC grow.
BTW man Damnnn! Beautiful plant man, i always wondered what that auto stuff smoked like. so do you think it would be worth it just to primarily grow autos? also during the latter period of flowering, was the smell just loud or does it get up to the "smell it outside" kind of loud? i don't know, but i think that would be kinda sick though if i got 30-35 1gal pots, and for every group of males i pull, i seed one plant, and just replace them with another set of plants. and so on and so forth. that is until i get tired of that strtrain, or i run out of seeds(whichever come first). but yea, definitely interested in that. so holler.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

Okay. This feature is a bit more temperamental I've noticed (hasn't always worked for me). Click on the My Rollitup in the upper left of your screen.
-Now look on the left of the screen and click on the Edit Signature link.
-Now just copy and paste the link to your grow in the big empty box and hit save.

You should be all set, but as mentioned earlier, it doesn't always work on the 1st try.

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Yeah, the autos have their definate advantages to them. As for the smell, holy crap

Very, very strong...and that was just the lowryder 2. The auto blueberry x AK47 I'm finishing up now is even worse. Easily smelled outside but fortunately we do legitimately have a skunk that lives right outside our place so not too many eyebrows get raised

The biggest advantage to growing just them is that they only have the 1 light cycle. Just the 18/6 or the 20/4 (strain dependent). No need for seperate rooms for veg and flower or fancy grow cabs (I am diy illiterate sadly). Just put'em all together. Also, no cloning with them. It won't work (well, it'll work but it can't re-veg and won't produce enough to make it worth it). So it's all from seed.

Another big plus to these is that they are near IMPOSSIBLE to kill. My grow room environment is absolutely awful right now. Temps over 85 typically and surpass 100 once per day (it's just a sad little closet with no ventillation)(moving the whole set up to the more grow friendly basement ). And they don't even really need nutes to do what they do. The highest I ever got was like 660ppm with that beast of a lr2. And even then it showed some signs of nute burn. Guess this is all pretty typical of the ruderalis-based strains. I guess if you can grow naturally in alaska, you can survive just about any environment.

The males are the big drawback to them. Ugh. Especially in hydro-dwc with a shared rez. But I was plannin on doing what you described with replacing every male with a new seed. That, and the best autoflowering strain will probably never be as strong as the best non-autoflowering strains.

I'm holding off on the perpetual grow with all of the seeds I have now until I experiment with the basement growspace and trying my hand at cloning...something I have avoided for a while cause it sounds like too much work

Speaking of which...holy crap that is some serious root growth on that clone!!! I had to do a double take there. Thought I was looking at a blonde wig on the bottom of a rockwool cube at first.

Rockwool really sounds like the way to go with cloning from what I've read around here. But rockwool and I do not get along (I chronically under- or over- water it). You obviously seem to have cloning in it down pretty damn well so I'll probably be hittin ya up for info when I start playing around with cloning. I have an aerogarden set aside for just that purpose (*see the Butter's Aerogarden definition below if you are unfamiliar with this product).

Thanks for the tip about not mixing the A+B together before mixing with water. I woulda made that mistake like 5 minutes after opening the bottles for the 1st time.

Good luck getting your grow journal in your sig boss. It definately helps in getting people to check out your journal. As does a really catch a title...like "Michael Jackson's face in rockwool cube". Put that as your title, and you'll have 4500 views in like 10 minutes

Take it easy.



*Aerogarden
A hydroponic gardening system that men's wives/girlfriends get as a gift on certain occasions. The females then grow basil, and tomatoes and such in them for about 2 months before becoming tired with the product and realizing that they don't even cook with basil anyway so what's the f'n point. At which point the male realizes "Hey...I bet I could grow weed in that thing", puts in a couple of seeds, quickly realizes that he has no idea what he's doing once they sprout up, performs an internet search on marijuana growing which inevitably leads him to RIU. The aerogarden, the commercials say it's for chics and vegetables...but we know better

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I'll tell you what, if i can get me something for odor, man i would probably be growing those full time. no lie. you had asked about what kind of technique i use as far as growing style. well honestly i NEVER believed in anything other than letting them grow the way God intended, but really i think it was just a fear of failure. cause i figured that it was no way i could get my plants to grow like some of you guys do, especially the one that blaze has in his avatar. but for some reason i decided to top that blue venom and one of the NL plants. i was scared as hell because i didnt want t screw it up, but i'm here to tell you this, man i am sold on topping. i mean wow. now, even though it is just like almost the second week of flowering, those two look absolutely awesome. i mean i get it now. and to be hear some people say that when you top you kind of lose a little bit of yield. well LA-DI-DA, i'll tell you this, whatever little bit i lose from topping, i figure i could more than make that up, for the simple fact that the space and amount of light that one takes up(Christmas tree shape,untopped), i could maybe get two possibly three topped plants in the same footprint, because it's like once the cut heals, they grow straight up(btw i didn't know that till now). so yea i"m sold, and oh my God i can't wait for those mini colas to bust out. like little frosted rockets ready to take aim. i would like to try FIMing, but i would only do that if i had some lights with more power(personal preference), because it seems that FIMming produces a lot of bud sites, and i woulld just want more penetrating power(no pun intended).

As far as the rockwool cloning. man when i first attempted it it had me frustrated as hell. that's why i went with the dixie cup method, but as i said earlier i HAD to figure out a better way because i was losing too much room in my pots. so that was my motivation. and i just came up with this way to do it. not saying that this is "the best " way, its just my way. maybe it'll work for you.

First off when you soak them, squeeze out the excess water, put your clone in the cube, put them in your dome and close the lid, understand those things are going to stay wet for a minute. and you'll see because the water will still build up in the trenches of your tray.
Now what i do at this point is to let the water pool up in the trenches and let it stand for about three days. after that i get a sponge, or paper towel and tilt my tray to the left and soak up as much of the water as possible, then to the right and do the same thing, and then repeat it a couple of times to get whatever excess water that the cubes might let go. after that every day or two( no more than two) i just open the dome look on the underside of each cube, if they don't look SOAKING, or even SEMI wet, i tilt my tray to one side pour in a conservative amount of solution, or water, and i just slightly tilt the tray back and forth until the bottom of the cubes have soaked some up, then once again i get a paper towel and soak up the rest. i do this until i start to see the roots start to emerge from the bottom. as time goes on you'll be able to tell without even picking them up.

For this part i got a 16.9oz. water bottle, took a "small" nail and poked a "small" hole through the top for my solution, or water. now at this point we know that roots chase the moisture, that's why the roots grow down, right. this is the cool part(to me). i position the roots that are peeking through directly over the trenches. i then get my watering bottle and spray a THIN layer of water. i mean really just enough to see that the trenches are wet, because you want as little water to get to the cube as possible. thats when the roots start to grow in different directions, because they are searching for the water that's in the trenches. that's why my clone had sort of a mop head thing going. and since you do DWC you know how aggressive roots can be when they are looking for nutes, or water. that's why i only spray a thin layer and keep check on the every day. i give them just enough to feed, but not so much that they DON'T stop looking for food. long story short : "IF THE ROOTS WANT TO EAT THEY GOTTA GO GET IT"

Hey you be easy man, ok. and look here i know my posts are a bit long. and i don't want you or anyone reading this to think that I feel like i "know it all", or like i'm trying to school anybody. that's not it at all, i just enjoy clarity, so i tell everything i know.

SIDENOTE:
1. When i use the rockwool i never use any kind of cloning gel, or powder, PERIOD.

2. Instead of using the pre-made holes on the top of the cube, i turn it over, and
with a pair of scissors, or a steak knife i cut a half inch slit at the depth that i
want, and slide that shaft in as far as i can get it.LOL.(this decreases the chance of
the clone leaning, therefore it can just recieve the light instead of using energy to straighten
themselves out to get to the light)

3. once those cubes are in my dome i never, ever run another drop of anything through
the top of my rockwool cubes, EVER.(like i said i want the roots to go "get it")

4. After the first week of having the lights on for 24hrs straight i switch to 20/4.(think
about it after the first week of 24 hrs light, i give them a little time to rest because
we know that plants do most of their growing during the night time hours, which
equals more hungry roots ready to get out there an 'GET SOME"

5. Don't take the paper off until you transplant them to your coco,that just keeps them from
busting out of the sides of the cube, it just keeps them all growing in one direction, down
and out.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

well i got it to work, and only on the fifteenth try. but thanks dude, really appreciate that. when i get home i'm going to measure my girls to see if i have any more stretching. hopefully they will have been done stopped so i can give a complete stretch report. its crazy it seems like since my dog died i have been coming up with all sorts of different things to do in my grow area to take up all my free time.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

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No worries about the detailed posts at all. That's what this site is all about.

I have also avoided the whole LSTing, topping, and FMing stuff as well. Felt I needed to get the regular grow methods tuned in 1st before I started doing stuff like that. Now, I'm shooting for a SCROG on this grow. So many different ways to grow, so little time.

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exactly, it's like when you first really get started, and you see guys doing this and doing that. and for me it was somewhat overwhelming in a sense.i mean i wanted to do everything, i guess with time you fine tune yourself as well as your technique. you know like the differinet kinds of hydroponics, i was just stoked at some of the things i saw and to me aeroponics is the coolest "LOOKING" way to grow. i mean to me, but a lot comes with that style of growing. you get some real nice yields, but shit the ppm, the ec, lines and misters clogging, pumps failing, alge and all the other potentially devastating things that can happen just didn't make it seems worth it, but that's me. i mean that picture of that dwc monster that Butters has is killer, as well as the flock of other guys in here. that's why i chose coco. it is just a system that works for me, and was simple to get dialed in. i can't lie though, i was on you tube and i saw all of the see more buds videos, and man, WOW. i mean this guy has a killer set-up.and he's using some kind of "aqua mist " misters of foggers. whatever it is called i want it. but anywho, this weekend i will be tranplanting my clones to my veg closet if i can find somewhere that has a small a/c unit. and i mean small like 12"x12" because this tx heat is insane. i think yesterday it was like 102 outside and when my lights came on at 6:45pm it was 93 in my grow room, and the thermostat in the veg closet was reading between 96-98, with the light off. so it is no way i would even attempt to get that closet up to speed without a separate a/c unit. but we'll see(fingers crossed), and i'll put the pics up monday.

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Well its been a minute but i just wanted to put up some of the pics of my babies that have been in flower for two weeks. Please excuse the quality of the pics(camera phone is all i have).
The first is the sativa pheno of the NL that i topped, next is the BLUE VENOM (topped as well), and the last is a pic of both the sativa and the indica pheno of the Northern Light. I shot the last two side by side so i could give as accurate a look as possible at the two phenos that the NL produces, because for the longest i've heard that there are two different phenos, but i never saw them side by side. So there you go if any one ever wondered. Next up, pics of clones going to veg.

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Lookin real good Zen

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Hello, hello, hello. Well i thought i would go ahead and put up these pics of my clones going to veg. Before i get started i wanted to mention a coulple of things. First off, i was right the reason that the two headed clone had so mouch root growth is because the stalk was pretty thick. Secondly it seems that with all the a/c blowing in the house, that the air is quite dry. I say that because as long as the dome is covering the clones all is well. But after about three minutes with the dome off, the plants seem to start wilting as if they are drying out, and that wasn't happening four months ago when i was doing my sour diesel plants . So even though i hate to, i think i might have to start doing my clones like i originally had been doing them, in dixie cups uncovered. But anyways the first two pics are just the clones in the tray. The five in a row on the bottom right part of the tray in the first pic is the blue venom, the rest are the northern lights. I'm kinda pissed because i like the way the indica pheno of the NL is growing, and i had two of them like that, which i had taken two cuttings off of each one.well one of the indicas turned out to be very weak(it was burning off of the exact same strength of nutes that the rest were doing just fine with. So i axed her and her babies(evil genius laugh). Which means i only have two left, and only one of them will go to flower, cause i'm gonna use the other to clone(which ever looks strongest). This next pic is just a shot of the root growth(decent, could be better though). The next two are the girls in their new digs 4(nl), 5(blue venom). And the last is of their first feed.

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