Cool. I've read about some people who root in coco, seemed to work for them...I probably won't try it yet though.

What about only using a tiny amount of soil...say, a shot glass worth, and rooting the clone in that. It won't take long for the roots to take hold and then there isn't much soil to wash off when I do the bare root transplant...

Just thoughts I have. I'll probably just stick with the cup, as that is the easiest...or maybe I'll grab some rockwool.

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Yea I just don't know about mixing soil and coco in the same pot. It might work fine, maybe it will cause probs. Do you have hydro nutes to use with the coco? Non-hydro(soil) nutes have probs with P uptake in hydro and soiless mediums, i.e. coco. If you get any hydro nutes and decide for some reason you don't want to do any more coco then you could still use the hydro nutes in soil. It just doesn't work the other way around with soil nutes in hydro. I would highly recommend the Ionic line as an affordable alternative to the pricier hydro nutes. I use Ionic Boost instead of AN Overdrive because I think it works better, not just because it is half the price. If that's not available I would just go with the GH 3-part (Flora Series).

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You knew of course I'd be throwing my two cents in at some point, right?
Your "not so local hyrdro store" is my EXTREMELY local store. Those black square pots are what I'm using for a couple of plants this time around. Space does not alot for the square footage as before...sucks. I prefer the white pots.

"Alas, you do what you have to do."

I too decided to go with coco. Let me tell you...it's defintitely a different kind of grow. I'm actually perplexed for the first time growing! Let me say that I did not do any real "research" on growing in coco. It just looked like a realy cool medium to grow in..."so".....there you have it. So, "now"......I research. Let's learn together on this one.
I've already figured out the need for the calcium/magnesium. Coco obviously clings to nutrients in a different manner. If you have any specific questions, I'm betting Boneman will be willing to oblige......as he has grown not only in coco, but 100% perilite as well.
Seeing that was pretty "trippy" for me....I had to try a clone to "experiment." It works...just in a different manner than as from a soil medium.
Apparently, it is suggested to use Monkey Juice with the coco......naturally, the hydro store does not carry it. I'm using foxfarms as you are....let's cross our fingers---sigh.
POSITIVELY, you can use a mix of FF soil and coco. Personally, I intend to use a mix of black gold, coco and perilite in the near future. I'm sure it will make a wondeful mix for my intended grow...a somewhat passive hydroponic adventure for me. 100 % hydro will be my next excursion.
As for your clones, I am confident you will bring them to fruition.
I have cloned in 100% coco---with no problems whatsoever. My biggest problem is with figuring out what coco prefers in nutrients. Cal/mag is a given purchase I've made.
Node spacing in your plants looks AWESOME. You should have wild branching.

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With the exception of the Grow Big veg formula, the Fox Farm line is acceptable for growing hydro (and therefore I assume its good for coco). They make a hydro version of the Grow Big, so another $20 for that isn't really a problem. It will probably be at least a week until I can make it back to the store, so this operation may go on hold for a few...which is fine, just means I've got more time to research on coco growing.

I was wondering when you were going to chime in

I use the black square pots only for vegging (well, that is their intended purpose anyway...) and use the 7" square white ones for flower. On my last trip I noticed some even larger square white pots...possibly 8-9"...which look very nice. But then I remembered where I'm growing and I could only fit 4 of those bigger ones MAX as opposed to 8 of the white ones I have now.

The clones I took are already standing back up and looking fine. Check it out. Whether I'll clone directly in coco remains to be seen. We'll definitely be learning this together Babs...with a lot of help from mared!



Here are the other plants.

One more, this is Blue Cheese B (right) and PPP



I finally took some pics of the flower room with all my topped girls. They're doing fine. Temp gets pretty hot...93 is my highest so far. It prompted me to flip on the a/c, even though I didn't want to. I'm looking into getting an extraction fan to help cool the hps without running the a/c.


So I've been diligently reading about the benefits of topping vs. training, and I must say I'm a bit perplexed at what to do. I have topped a few times now and am comfortable with it, and I get to grow out the top as a clone. Pretty good situation.

My problem now is that my plants have 9+ nodes in a total height of 6-6.5 inches. It would kill me to simply chop off the top 7 nodes and only get one clone from it. I could try and clone some of branches from those upper nodes, but they are a little too premature for that I think.

So I think I've resolved to tie them down instead. I want them to be pretty bushy, but not too crazy because my space is always such an issue (oh to have a 4' x 4' space...)

I still want to take clones of the blue cheese and the ppp though, but it may be too early for that too. Lots to think about these days...better get high

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All plants are doing fine. I topped both blue cheeses yesterday...I didn't want to top above the 2nd true node, so I did it 3/4 of the way up the plant...probably about node 6 on the taller Blue Cheese B and node 5 for Blue Cheese A. Both tops were planted in Light Warrior and moved into the clone room with the tops from the Thais. The top taken from Blue Cheese B had approximately 3 nodes, the lowest of which had 2 fairly small branches starting to poke out. I decided to see if I could root those, so I dipped them in the rooting powder and stuck them in some shot glasses with LW. Then I got to thinking about the cloning a fan leaf discussions taking place, and I figured I'd give it a whirl.

I elected not to top the PPP, instead taking a smaller side branch as a clone and planting it in LW. It's pretty small, but I have every reason to believe it will work just fine.

The topped bagseed plants are starting to show pistils after about a week or so of 12/12. I already know they're females as I sexed them in 12/12, topped, and reverted back to veg for a few weeks.

I purchased a 250 cfm 6" inline duct fan today for under $30. I've been thinking about ways to bring down the temp in the flower room without running the a/c...I'll update more of that situation as it happens.

Here's a group shot. Blue Cheese B is front right, PPP directly behind, Blue Cheese A to left of PPP and the two Thai's in the front.


Blue Cheese B.


PPP.


Blue Cheese A.


Thai Super Skunk...I've lost track of which is which...doesn't matter.


Here's the other Thai. Both should have 4 main colas...unless I do some more chopping...probably won't though.


Clone Shelf. A little more crowded now.


One of the Thai tops. Been going about 3 or 4 days now. Should be popping roots in no time.


Here's the top from Blue Cheese B. Very little, but should work out I think.


Fan leaf taken from Blue Cheese B. We'll see what happens.


Blue Cheese A top. Looks good.


These are 2 branches that come from the top of Blue Cheese B. I didn't want to just trash them, so we'll see if this works.


PPP clone. Small, but should be fine.


The other Thai top.


Finally, one of the flower room. Doing fine.

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Whats good jerry i was waitin for ya next grow! lookin good so far + rep i got some blue cheese goin too but its big buddha's. its a month in flower and smells like straght blueberries with a hint of cheese i cant wait! ill be ridin with u i wanna see whats the difference between the 2!

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Awesome War, glad to have you along for the ride! I was actually thinking about getting the big buddah, but the barney's was a few bucks cheaper...

Now we can get a nice comparison of the two breeders though! Keep me posted on your progress

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Dude! The Thai SS, tall and lanky, yes. Seems like it flowers forever. But the buzz, man, well worth it. And nice looking grow you got started 'scribed.

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It looks like you have the same kind of space I'm dealing with. I could give up my closet no longer...sigh, may change my mind on that one. I get really claustrophobic working in this tiny area.
I still haven't been doing my HW with the coco. Hey...if Mared is willing to adivse, I'm certainly willing to take his advice. All I can say to his blooms are just "Wow---strikingly beautiful."
I kind of felt like an idiot just as soon as I posted "what's roadkill?" That's a terrible name to give that bloom...sorry, I just didn't put it together til right after I posted.
I saw a picture of one of your clones I wanted to share with you both. It served as a great example of what I cloned. Imagine it being snipped right above the base fan leaf. So, no..I didn't "really" clone a leaf alone. But HAHA, I see you are trying. Who knows? Maybe you will get a pretty bloom coming out of it?


You say you are worried about your temperature being too high? I was just wondering if something as simple as a tray of ice cubes with the fan running would work.
Are you using all Fox Farm nutrients? That PPP stalk is looking THICK.
One last thing...when are you going to lose the sand? That much sand on top at all times concerns me.
Another new treatment I am trying is the mosquito dunks.....advice from one of these threads. I was very weary in attempting to use it, but desperate too. I don't even want to see ONE more of those bitchs gnawing on my plants!!!
Anyway, just wanted to let you know that it's working.
I've dilluted crumbled pieces in my watering can so that it gets trace elements with each watering/feeding.
I haven't seen any since. (in the medium or flying around)
And on that note.....I am going to go do my daily treatment of zapping the leaves with rubbing alcohol. I don't ever find more than one or two eggs. I'm obsessed with this gnat dilemma dammit---what if they are laying eggs in my carpet? my clothes? I will not rest until every last one of them has disappeared.

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Welcome cowboy! Great to have you with us!

I'm looking forward to the Thai Super Skunks...I know they take forever and get big but I'm eager to compare their sativa genes to the other indica-heavy plants in my garden.

We'll lean about the coco as we go. And I'll take mared's advice on any marijuana cultivation related subject...

I don't the sand is a problem...it has been effectively keeping the gnats at bay. I haven't seen any in quite some time, and I'm not really taking any other steps to eliminate them, so it must be working. I think those buggers are going to be the death of you though Babs...but I like your due diligence in combating them.

I don't think a tray of ice will help me at all unfortunately. Tried that before with my diy a/c that worked for about 10 minutes (in all fairness to myself though, I was using shitty cpu fans with an unknown cfm, probably around 20...with a better fan [like the 250cfm one I got yesterday] I think I would have had more success with the thing). My R420 portable a/c works great...it just uses tons of electricity. And the problem is really only in the flower room under the 400w hps.

Still only using the fox farm nutrients...I think I had given them one watering with Big Bloom about a week ago, but otherwise it has been water and the nutrients available in the Ocean Forest. Yesterday I administered their first true feeding with a cocktail of grow big, big bloom, molasses and cal-mag. One thing I learned from my last grow was to take into account the nutrients available in the soil, especially when transplanting. I found myself transplanting into fresh soil (already with nutrients) and then administering full feedings, which caused some minor burning issues. But my goal for this grow is to keep the leaf tips burn-free (except where they grow into the lights and get a little singed). Oh, and the Miracle Grow perlite I had been using HAS NUTRIENTS IN IT! I was taken aback by that one...took me 5 months to notice...whoops.

That's why I couldn't bring myself to top it with the blue cheeses. Great node spacing, nice thick stalk, good branching, etc.

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