MOTIF'S T5/600wHPS DWC 5 GALLON BUCKETS

motif · #1 06-05-2009, 07:12 PM

Hey everybody, i guess i finally came around to making another journal, so let me recap you on what were working with here.... There will be lots of pics and pics on request are encouraged, so lemme know what you wanna see..

.::. The two FLOWERING plants are 1 indica dom and 1 sativa dom. Both were vegged for about 3 and a half weeks. Switched to 12/12 on 04-15-09 (51 days today)

.::. The one VEGGING is a clone off the sativa dom. Its first day of veg was 05-14-09 (22 days today). Lights are on 24/0.

motif · #2 06-05-2009, 08:33 PM

Heres the pics..

Any idea what the defeciency is on the indica?? I thought it might be rapid pH fluctations...

motif · #3 06-05-2009, 08:36 PM

the two flowering girls have been FIM'd and lollipopped.

The vegging clone has been FIM'd, supercropped, and lollipopped. That sativa got way outta control tall, and i wont make the same mistake twice. So i tied her down real good this time, as you can tell.

Feedback is greatly appreciated, and much encouraged

motif · #4 06-05-2009, 09:11 PM

(Flower) Lights ON = 84-86F
(Flower) Lights OFF = 68-70F
(Vegging) Lights ON = 77F

Flowering plants PPM = 1300 (ish)
Vegging clone PPM = 1100

Flowering WATER TEMPS (lights on) = 72 F
Flowering WATER TEMPS (lights off) = 65 F

Ill give pH scales on next new batch of nutes, but i usually pre-pH my water to 5.5-5.8 BEFORE adding nutes to it.

What do you all think of all this??

Mammath · #5 06-05-2009, 09:33 PM

Hey Motif

Shit mate that looks like spider mites or something going on there.
Have you checked under the leaves for the little fuckers.
Your PH should be fine at those levels so I don't think it's that.
It's fucking serious though.
I think it's pest related.
Have a scope under your leaves and tell me what you see.

motif · #6 06-05-2009, 11:26 PM

man the thing is, i dont think its pest related. if it were, my sativa woulda def been fucked by now....

heres my two guesses: pH off balance or manganese defeciency. Check these out from 420magazine.com

Ph Problems

One of the first signs of having a slight ph problem is, your plant having part of the leaves kind of twisty, spotty with brown, yellowish, red spots within each other.
Sometimes they don’t have to have all the colors, they could just be spots that have yellowish brown, or just reddish brown and can happen anywhere on the plant. Mainly starts on big fan leaves then goes to little leaves.

^^That describes exactly how it started, fan leaves to newer growth. And also the color of the "spotting" is right on. No pics were provided tho.^^

Calcium (Ca) -Macro Nutrient and an Immobile element.

Calcium is another important element that helps the plants cell walls, cell division in making the plants stems, stalks, branches stronger, as well as contributing to root growth, mostly the newer root hairs, Calcium also helps enhancing the uptake of K in the the plants roots. Calcium moves really slow within the plant and tends to concentrate in roots and older growth.

When plants exhibit a Calcium deficiency the younger leaves are the first to show it as well as older leaves. The Leaf tips will die back, the tips may curl, and growth of the plant is stunted. The plant can show a weakness in the stems and branches, as well as a under developed root system that can lead to bacteria problems with roots dieing off. Having slow plant transpiration rates can aggravate the uptake of calcium. Make sure your soil isn’t very acidic, for calcium gets harder to be absorbed through acidic soils, Which leads to having a plant that is deficient in Calcium. The leaf tips, edges and new growth will or may turn a yellow/brown colour that happen in spots and often surrounded by a sharp brown outlined edge and then the leaf tips die back. If too much calcium is given at an early stage of growth it can stunt the growth of your plants. Having to much of calcium will also flocculate when a concentrated form is combined with potassium. The parts affected by a calcium deficiency are the roots. Stem or petiole, young or old leaves.

Too much Calcium will lead to other micronutrient deficiencies. Calcium fixation is caused by many types of mediums such as: clay soils, unbuffered coco and humus. The lime tends to bond to these soils very easily. The stems of the plant will not be able to hold the plant up and will exhibit a white brown in between the veins of the leaves when having too much calcium. Also having to much potassium and or nitrogen will cause a calcium lockout.

wadya think?? Oh and there are no "webs" either, and my sativa aint infected, so i dont think its pest related like i was saying earlier

Mammath · #7 06-06-2009, 01:52 AM

without getting into too much detail.
PH is last to adjust after you've done all your shit.

Do everything then adjust PH.

Mites are sneaky, don't just look for webs, get on ya back and look up.

These fucking weeds live on tap water with no fucking around.

Check for pests.

The damage looks to be located some what.

I see plenty of green healthy leaves in other places.

purpdaddy · #8 06-06-2009, 07:35 AM

looks to me like you locking out nutes from the Ph being waaaaay off.i had the same probs with my first grow,IO got a Ph pen and never had that prob again..When you lock out one element ,it causes another element not to be able to work off the locked out one.Sounds crazy right but thats how it works.

greenfirekilla420 · #9 06-06-2009, 08:32 AM

Damn those sativas are 51 days flowering? Wow I'm so totally sticking with indys from now on. I made the same mistake but mine is a very limited height and I've lst'd her into a knot but I didn't realize or start the training till she was quite lenghty. Next time deffinately will top and lst from the beginning lol. Anyways I'm pretty sure its nutrient lockout from the way those leaves are looking from ph being off or mg deff. My first grow deffinately looked like this.

Peace

fdd2blk · #10 06-06-2009, 09:59 AM

looks like bug damage to me. =/

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