Advice Please, SunHut - Chocolope, Alaskan Ice, Pure Power
Alright, after pleading for help randomly in other sections I am finally starting a journal. Here's the summary
Lighting - 600 watt (dimmable) hid's mh right now and 6 led growmaster bars for experimentation's sake, at the time the ballasts are at 75% - so this should be aabout 450w
Ventaliation - 8" max fan pulling through cool tubes way far away, 6" can fan hooked to can66 filter right now its pumping filtered air outside the tent - but i am thinking about hooking it up to the cool tubes - because I feel like I'm gonna start to have some serious dust forming in the cool tubes and would like to avoid taking them apart. Any thoughts?
Te tent has flaps for passive intake and for right now they're not sealed up for two reasons, I'm still in veg so light in isnt a huge issue, and smell out isnt either. Also, if they're sealed up i've gotta hook something else up for intake so the tent doesnt collapse.
Medium - pro mix with a layer of gravel at the bottom
Nutrients - Genesis system by GreenAir, right now grow 2 and microbase, also greenfuse root supplement, ph'd to about 6.2 they got their first real feeding earlier this week about 650 ppm.
Alright, so the seeds popped on or around feb 6th and I've had some issues with fluctuating heat, and baically me trying to contro things too much. Two of the chocolopes have had a hard time recovering from a bout with downey mildew (serenade works great for any fungi btw.)
One of the Alaskan Ice's, which was by far the biggest burliest plant has all the sudden started looking really sick. Her sister next to her is thriving - but looks like a totally different pheno. Leave damage that you see can be attributed to two things - not fimming close enough and a shop vac that got posesses and swung arouhnd trying to eat the plants. That AI got the worst of it (I cut off some really sickly looking leaves - they had the yellowing plus little rust colored patches all over.
I am pretty sure that there arent any pests because I've checked and checked - but some of the leaves look like they're being chewed by something. So, if there is something it's not staying put. Now, i have a cup in there filled with boric acid mixed with a glob of jam. Supposedly the Jam will attract the bugs and the boric acid dries them up - i know that ba will suck the oisture right out of fleas and flea eggs so it makes sense. I have some dr. doom bombs on the way just in case. So, now I'll start to post some pics starting with when I moved them into the tent.
Last edited by overmyhead; 03-15-2009 at 02:52 PM.
These are updated pics showing several of the plants, the sickly AI, and what it looks like with just the led's on. I think that I have hit on something with the LED's - I can set up timers to shut off my cool tubes (and the ventalation) but still leave the leds on while the tent fills with co2 - this is a great application i think so we can control both the co2 and heat. Of course it comes with a cost but hopefully they will last a very long time. The last pic is of the AI new growth - you can hopefully see the burnt type look on the new growth. I really wish I took pics of the leaves I cut off but I was so freaked out.
Last edited by overmyhead; 03-14-2009 at 01:16 PM.
Hello, this post is solely in reference to the all the sudden troubled Alaskan Ice. Here are some update pictures. The chewing and scarring seem to be getting worse and still no sign of any bugs. The scarring that you see down the middle of the leaves is present on a couple of the other plants as well but not the crazy splotchyness and not to the same extent. It is also happening on new growth down at the bottom of the AI plant. Any ideas? before the incident with the shop vac this was the strongest looking plant.
Anyone have any ideas? Is there some pest that I can't see? It must move real quick and chomp like hell. But - what about those light colored scrape looking things that eventually turn into holes?
I am really starting to worry about the splotchy leaves. The only thing I could find in the sticky that looked like it was the mg deficiency but I have no idea? The brown spots dont really show up well in the pics and I had already cut some of the worst leaves off. Do you all think the splotchyness and the little cuts in the leaves are linked? I swear I dont see any evidence of pests and have had a hot shot strip in there for 24 hours. Any ideas??? I think my ph is good b/c I'm using 6.0-6.5 after nutes are added, the soil is pro mix which has dolomitic lime to buffer the ph. Unfortunately I can't test the runoff b/c I jsut have a dropper ph tester.
The first few pics are of the plant in question. Then the other plants from it's tub (the tiny one is getting tossed - never recovered from downey mildew.) The real bushy one is another Alaskan ICe - different pheno, the other healthy one is G13 Pure Power and the two weak ones ar chocolope. Then THere's a pic of four pretty healthy chocolopes. So far five of the plants have shown their pretty white hairs.
Btw, if they look a little droopy its because lights just came on and they got watered yesterday. Water included feed - Genisis Microbase, Grow 2, and Bloom 3 (bloom for root devel) and traces of greenfuse root stimulator. Total ppm - 1150, ph'd to 6.0-6.5 after everything was added.
Well, things seem to be moving along - the sickly plant still looks sickly. Here are pics of leaves from some other plants showing the same type of scraping. I can't find any bugs and none seem to be appearing in my jelly and boric acid mix. Some of the new growth at the bottom of a couple plants appears chewed as well. I still have the hot shot strip in there, not sure if it's doing anything or if there are even any bugs in there.
Last edited by overmyhead; 03-18-2009 at 12:44 PM.
Well, things seem to be moving along - the sickly plant still looks sickly. Here are pics of leaves from some other plants showing the same type of scraping. I can't find any bugs and none seem to be appearing in my jelly and boric acid mix. Some of the new growth at the bottom of a couple plants appears chewed as well. I still have the hot shot strip in there, not sure if it's doing anything or if there are even any bugs in there.
Subscribed....have a real similar system as well as alaskan ice going so I will follow closely. As for the leaves, it kinda looks like what I had happen on my last grow. Is that plant in an identical container to the others? If not it could be nute lockout. Last grow I had one plant that had an issue out of 8....turns out the container I used wasn't draining as well as it should. Just a thought.
If you have any sticky fly traps try hanging one near the areas you see affected....just not close enough that the breeze carries it in to your plant. Give it a day or so.
EDIT
NVM on pots.....looked at the photos again and your using bags
Subscribed....have a real similar system as well as alaskan ice going so I will follow closely. As for the leaves, it kinda looks like what I had happen on my last grow. Is that plant in an identical container to the others? If not it could be nute lockout. Last grow I had one plant that had an issue out of 8....turns out the container I used wasn't draining as well as it should. Just a thought.
If you have any sticky fly traps try hanging one near the areas you see affected....just not close enough that the breeze carries it in to your plant. Give it a day or so.
EDIT
NVM on pots.....looked at the photos again and your using bags
Yep bags, with holes in the side - plus theres like an inch and a half of gravel in the bottom. I have the traps but they arent hanging (well they are now) you can probably see them down in the tubs (yellow.) Im hopeing that the hot shot pest strip will kill stuff. If you've got a journal I'll check it out.
Alright, just got finished transplating into their final pots (tubs) and wanted to share some pics. THe tubs have 2 inches of gravel in the bottom (obviously there are hole drilled too.) As you can see I used plastic coat hangers to create some space between the tubs and the masonry tubs that I'm using to catch runoff. Still using just pro mix, no nutes this time except for some cal mag. Also, I sprinkled in some very special ashes as a memorial. Just a tiny bit in each tub. Now I'll crank the lights up to 100% and veg/train out for a few weeks. So far ass that have shown sex are girls Yes, I know they look droopy, they just got woke up, got transplanted and watered - you should see how droopy I am right now!
Well, I havent checked things today - for the first time in a while I got out and went fishing with a good buddy. I know this isnt plant related but it sure was fun! We had several double hookups and this was my nicest of the day - 34" inshore red.
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