Hydro Nutrient Challenge - Cruzer

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There are ten contestants in this challenge.
We are all going to grow the same bud but with different nutrients and compare the results in the end. To see all contestants grow journals you can go to CC

I just thought I would copy it here for those of you who were interested.

Cruzer’s Stinky Widow Cindy Grow Journal

Date: 12-29-09

Genetic: Stinky Widow Cindy

Plant Age: dry seed

System: Cabinet SCROG Custom 3 point Drip system.

Grow Medium: Rapid Rooter plugs in rock wool placed in hydroton

Lighting Conditions Lighting: Veg with sunblaze 24” T-5 HO Lamp with three 5000K and one 3000K bulbs. Also 52 watts of LED in home made array.

Flower with 400W HPS hortilux bulb in a DIY cool tube. Contained Air flow supplied by an intake vent and a 4” 120 cfm duct booster exhaust outside.

Distance: 16” from screen. Screen bent in U shape to take advantage of light displacement. By the time they are done stretching light is 6 to 8 inches from buds.

Cycle: 24/7 veg and 12/12 flower 14/10 last week and 0/24 last day.

Environmental Conditions: This is a stealth cabinet grow. I can’t grow out back, it will get ripped off. I need my closet and I didn’t want to turn my living room into a green house so this was the next best thing. Cabinet is 72” tall 36” wide and 18” deep. There are two sections. I flower in 36” of the height and veg in 24” of it. The rest is filled with lights and water. My light is stationary in a DIY cool tube. It’s vented in from the room and out the back of the cabinet through a 4” 120cfm duct booster then out the window..

It’s winter here, I run my lights at night so daytime temps are my lows to work with, I keep thermostat at 80 degrees. Being a cabinet grow I exchange air quickly.
I am expecting about four ounces of dried and cured.

Temperature: Highs in the low 80s and lows in the low 60s

Humidity: I just can’t keep any humidity in the cabinet while the light is on.
Otherwise I get about 40%

Ventilation [out]: Upper 4” duct 70 cfm Lower 4” duct 45 cfm

Ventilation [in]: Upper 4” duct 70 cfm Lower 4” duct 45 cfm

Heater: submersible heater in the res, seedling mat and home made light box

Air Conditioner: none , makes it tough in the summer.

Odor Control: none as of yet. I have to decide if it is worth the extra noise the larger fan I would need would make.

Water Conditions: heater in res for winter, set at 70 degrees

H20 Type: distilled, I pick up a couple 5 gallon jugs a week

Reservoir Aeration: I got a 250 gallon pump in a 5 gallon res. in a drip system. This circulates the water so quickly I don’t think I need it. I do have air stones and a pump I use in the summer.

Reservoir Size: 4 gallon

Temperature: 70 degrees

pH: Kept between 5.7 and 6.5

TDS content [PPM]: around 500 PPM

Feeding Solution

Nutrient Solution: Veg: Flora Nova Grow
Nutrient Solution: Flower: Fox Farm Grow Big, Big Bloom and Tiger Bloom

Nutrient Levels: a little less than half that’s recommended

Additives: GH Floralicious Grow, Diamond nectar, Kool Bloom and Budswel Bat Guano
Additive Levels: a little less than half that’s recommended

Foliar Feed: Veg: GH Chi, Flower: Flora nectar sweetener

Plant Health / Stats I have had spider mite’s. T just removed everything and cleaned it out with water and bleach. That’s the only thing I can think of that will effect there health.

Plant Height: I am looking for 24 to 30” plants

Bud Density: In a SCROG I estimate thumb to golf ball size buds…. Several of them.

Trichome Production: TBD I would be interested in getting a uv light but not sure what would be best.

Internodes Spacing: If I can keep the temps within 15 degrees I assume this should be tight. We shall see.

Notes: Journal will be updated at least twice a week with pictures.

You may have noticed I am using GH flora series for vegging and Fox Farm for Flowering. I do this because I feel they get a better start with Floras nutrients but better taste with Organic Fox Farm when they are done. A little shot of kool bloom and there sweetener in the end hasn’t made a difference in taste. I will post the exact amounts once we get started.

So you can get a better idea here is a shot of my cabinet





I keep a perpetual grow going and harvest every two months.
No Mothers, I take cuttings from my females just before flower and veg them while I flower.
So, this will be a break in the routine. Add a little new blood so to speak.
I just took eight clones and dropped the seeds in water. The race is on.

I am starting with 10 seeds I plan on starting them in a glass of water overnight then into Rapid rooter plugs.

From there I will hand water them every other day until I see roots poking out the bottom of the plug. Then I will place them in rock wool cubes and dip them to feed.

The next step will be four inch pots with hydroton on the bottom placed in a fill and drain table, then out of those will be there first real transplant into the flower box Drip system. I will cut clones from them and sex them. Keeping the females and tossing all the males. Once I know I got all females I will flower them and start vegging the female clones for the next batch. I have found I do better the second time around but I will be happy to send everyone involved a sample when we are done in April.

Lets get started.

12/28/08

Plop

The sound of 10 seeds in R/O water.



Checked them the next day and they were all sinkers.
Got out the plugs and dropped one in each then broke off a piece and put it in the hole.

Here they are, well inside the rooter plugs. The ten in the front are the seeds and the eight in the back are the cuttings.

Temps 60 to 70s
Root zone 75 to 80 degrees
I will now put a dome on and mist it.




The lighting for the veg is the led at first



Then I will use the T5 HO



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Cruzer’s Stinky Widow Cindy Grow Journal

Date: 1-03-09

Genetic: Stinky Widow Cindy

Plant Age: dry seed

System: Cabinet SCROG Custom 3 point Drip system.

Grow Medium: Rapid Rooter plugs

Lighting 4x T5 24w HO 5000k

Temps 65/75 root zone 75/85

well as you have seen we are off to a good start. The last one finally showed up late yesterday. Must be a female.



I moved them closer to the lights too. Have to keep an eye on those cubes now. They dry out faster.



Feeding with plain R/O and I spray the area with water to try and keep some humidity in there. I am using my seedling heat mat under my girls in flower so I got a heating pad under those boxes (Courtesy of USPS.). Temps stay around mid 80’s Humidity 30’s

I have eight weeks to get them where I want them. Maybe a little long but I don’t know how to micro sex. Well I got an idea and have seen pics but I want to make sure so I plan on taking clones and sexing. I could start training down here, I have before. Not with this many though. Hum.

Oh well here is a shot of my Stinky Cindy’s new home. As soon as I harvest these girls. I just flipped them to 12/12.



I got four Apollo’s and three Widows in the center. I have cloned the Apollo five times now and by selection I have kept the traits I wanted. Short and bushy.
Its my first Widow grow. I am looking for more body high. Man they are fat. I hope Cindy is like this.

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[Cruzers] Grow Journal

Date:
Genetic: Earls Stinky Widow Cindy
Plant Age: 10 days from seed
System: hand water
Grow Medium: rapid rooter in rockwool 3" cube

Lighting Conditions

Lighting: 8000 lumens T-5 68 watts LED
Distance: 2 to 3 inches
Cycle: 18/6

Environmental Conditions

Temperature: highs mid 80's lows high 60's root temp around

75 degrees
Humidity: 30 to 50%
Ventilation [out]: 45 cfm
Ventilation [in]: 45 cfm
Heater: heating pad a few inches below them.
Air Conditioner: n/a
Odour Control: n/a

Water Conditions

H20 Type: R/O
Reservoir Aeration: n/a
Reservoir Size: 4 gallon
Temperature: 70 degrees
pH: n/a
TDS content [PPM]: 10ppm

Feeding Solution

Nutrient Solution: N/A
Nutrient Levels: N/A
Additives: N/A
Additive Levels: N/A
Foliar Feed: N/A

Plant Health / Stats

Plant Height: 2.5 inches
Bud Density: N/A
Trichome Production: N/A
Internode Spacing: N/A

Notes: I checked the Rapid rooters and I saw roots poking out the bottom as well as the sides. Once moving them closer to the light they are using all the moisture in the plugs in about 8 hours so it is time to move them to the Rockwool cubes.



I soaked the Rockwool in water and super thrive ph at 5.0 over night.



Then with almost dry rooter cubes I put them in the Rockwool and added pieces of rooter cubes to fill the extra space. I watched as the rooter absorbed the water from the Rockwool and got moist once again. By the way the empty one is where I have a temp probe.



Their first feeding will be 10ml of nitrozime per gallon. That’s about 25% of recommended dose but I have superthrive in there. Not to mention the micro nutrients in the rooters. I plan on dipping the cubes about one inch into the solution for about ten seconds allowing the cube to soak up the solution. This will last for a couple days.
I go by weight. The first time I do them individually and only dip the light ones. After that they will all go in at once.

Now may be a good time to give you an example of what I have planned.
Of course things change, but so far this is my guideline.

Amounts are per gallon.

Seedling stage
First Week R/O water only.
Second Week 10 ml Nitrozime

Start Veg.

Veg nutrients are GH and Flower are a mix of mainly FF but I still have GH additives and the Budswell. Guano. I have used this combination before and was happy with results.

Week 1
2.5 ml Flora nova grow, 2.5ml floralicious grow, 5ml Diamond nectar.
Week 2
5 ml Flora nova grow, 5ml floralicious grow, 10ml Diamond nectar.
Week 3
5 ml Flora nova grow, 5ml floralicious grow, 10ml Diamond nectar.
Week 4
10ml Flora nova grow, 5ml floralicious grow, 5ml Big Bloom, 10ml Diamond nectar.

Flush 2 days R/O

Flower
Week5
5ml FF tiger bloom, 15ml FF big bloom, 10ml diamond nectar. 15ml Budswell.
Week 6
5ml FF tiger bloom, 15ml FF big bloom, 10ml diamond nectar. 15ml Budswell.
Week 7
10 ml grow big, 15ml FF big bloom, 10ml Diamond nectar. 15ml Budswell.
Week 8
10 ml grow big, 15ml FF big bloom, 10ml Diamond nectar. 15ml Budswell.
Week 9
5 ml grow big, 10ml FF big bloom, 10ml tiger bloom 15 ml Budswell.
Week 10
5 ml grow big, 10ml FF big bloom, 10ml tiger bloom, 10 ml Flora nectar 10ml Kool Bloom
Week 11
5 ml grow big, 10ml FF big bloom, 10ml tiger bloom, 10ml Kool Bloom.
Week 12
5 ml grow big, 10ml FF big bloom, 10ml tiger bloom, 5ml flora nectar.

Flush 5ml flora nectar for two days.
Flush straight R/O water.
Change every two days. Until ppms drop under 100ppm. Usually takes four..
Res is 4 gallons I use 2 gallons to flush with.

I realize these amounts are about half that’s recommended.

Thing is, I have burned just about every crop I have had at one point or another at recommended levels. Now this could have been caused by other factors such as Ph, temps and airflow however starting with a lower amount seems to make my mistakes more forgiving.

I have grown four different strains in drip systems and the only one that could take the nutes along with the variables was Dutch Dragon. Well I am in the middle of a WW grow and they seem to be able to take more but they are doing fine at these levels.

I am open to comments and suggestions such as the effects of combining Organic with non organic nutrients. I would also like to hear form someone who uses sweeteners in flower. How does that work anyway? I am thinking the sugars are transferred along with the water somehow bypassing the photosynthesis process where the plant makes its own sugars and adding to the effect. Maybe I got it all wrong.

UV lighting is something I am considering. How would I do that with a 400W HPS.
I have read one of Earls posts where he used them and I like the idea of a smoother smoke but It looked to me like that was a CFL grow. If I were to add a UV light I am thinking I need about 150 watts.



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[Cruzers] Grow Journal

Date: 1/14/09
Genetic: Earls Stinky Widow Cindy
Plant Age: 14 days from seed
System: Dip System
Grow Medium: rapid rooter in rockwool 3" cube

Lighting Conditions

Lighting: 8000 lumens T-5 68 watts LED
Distance: 2 to 3 inches
Cycle: 18/6

Environmental Conditions

Temperature: highs mid 80's lows high 60's root temp around 75 degrees
Humidity: 30 to 50%
Ventilation [out]: 45 cfm
Ventilation [in]: 45 cfm
Heater: heating pad a few inches below them.
Air Conditioner: n/a
Odour Control: n/a

Water Conditions

H20 Type: R/O
Reservoir Aeration: n/a
Reservoir Size: 4 gallon
Temperature: 70 degrees
pH: n/a
TDS content [PPM]: 10ppm

Feeding Solution

Nutrient Solution: GH Flora Nova Grow
Nutrient Levels: 2.5ml per gallon
Additives: GH Floralicious GH Diamond Nectar
Additive Levels: 2.5ml PG FL, 5ml Diamond
Foliar Feed: N/A

Plant Health / Stats

Plant Height: 3.5 inches
Bud Density: N/A
Trichome Production: N/A
Internode Spacing: N/A

Notes:

I started feeding them a bit this week. 200ppm

Here is a shot of them skinny dipping.





I dip the rack in a tub for few seconds, just get there feet wet.




Drip dry for a few more. Then back under the lights. I do this every other day.




The Stinkys are the ten on the right. That first one in the second row is a widow clone. Looks like I got the timing right and they will be the same size.

The next move will be into 4" pots with hydroton. Then I can automate watering with a DIY Ebb and flow system.

Anyone know how big these girls get? I got a bit more then I bargained for.

 
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After you sex them,
you will have less plants.

This is not a big plant.

You don't really need the sweet,
the genetics are very good.

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Just put some of those in for soaking(stinky widow).Will be watchin your grow to see if I'm killin mine,hee-hee.Nice set-up
 
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Hi Earl,

Thanks for stopping by. I cloned the widows for back-up. I had no idea all ten Widow Cindys would pop and do so well. I will flower eight total. All the Widow Cindy females and the rest widow.
 
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Kruzty said:
Just put some of those in for soaking(stinky widow).Will be watchin your grow to see if I'm killin mine,hee-hee.Nice set-up
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Welcome Kruzty,
Are you going to post a journal of your grow?
If so feel free to post a link to it here so I can check it out.
 
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I haven't started one yet but should get on it.Shot some pics yesterday and will get after the journal and will post a link.It will be my first grow in 25 yrs so I'll see if the thumb is still green.We justed passed our medical marijuana laws in michigan so I just got my doctors paperwork and waiting for the state to issue cards.So,,,,I be legal.....VV and dirtbag have been walking me thru room set-up and almost got that done so I'm sure they'll want to see the journal too,oh and porn i'm sure.I have 4 strains started now and will look to keep 1 or maybe 2 for my year around garden.The 13 that poped are a cross between g-13 and butterscotch.The widows just went in yesterday and should pop soon too.
 
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Dam thanks I justed check and getting error.I'm having all kinds of problem since they change format this new year.Wont upload pics but one at a time.can only reply useing quick reply,cant use edit,nothen.Dam,have ta dig into this issue I see.Maybe it's firefox cuz I never use any other browser and never,never use IE.Was working find untill the new year then wack,all kinds of screwed up.
Sorry for the hijack of the thread.Thanks for letting me know.
 
Earl

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cruzer101 said:
Hi Earl,

Thanks for stopping by. I cloned the widows for back-up. I had no idea all ten Widow Cindys would pop and do so well. I will flower eight total. All the Widow Cindy females and the rest widow.
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If these are the seeds for the Challenge,
then they are NOT widow cindy.

This strain is Stinky Widow.

If you don't call it that,
we will all be confused.

There are big differences between the two strains.
the mother plant for the stinky widow
was a small phenotype white widow.

The mother of widow cindy was a much bigger WW pheno.

You have stinky widow.
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Gotcha.

I was going by what I was posted in your journal as well as the templet I received.

That works better for me. I don't have much space to flower.

Thanks Earl.
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[Cruzers] Grow Journal

Date: 1-21-09
Genetic: Earls Stinky Widow
Plant Age: 21 days from seed
System: ebb an flow
Grow Medium: rapid rooter in rockwool 3" cube 2" Hydroton.

Lighting Conditions

Lighting: 8000 lumens T-5 68 watts LED
Distance: 2 to 3 inches
Cycle: 18/6

Environmental Conditions

Temperature: highs mid 70's, lows 60's root temp around 65 degrees
Humidity: 30 to 50%
Ventilation [out]: 45 cfm
Ventilation [in]: 45 cfm
Heater: n/a
Air Conditioner: n/a
Odour Control: n/a

Water Conditions

H20 Type: R/O
Reservoir Aeration: n/a
Reservoir Size: 4 gallon
Temperature: 65 degrees
pH: n/a
TDS content [PPM]: 500ppm

Feeding Solution

Nutrient Solution: GH Flora Nova Grow
Nutrient Levels: 5ml per gallon
Additives: GH Floralicious Budswell
Additive Levels: 5ml per gallon
Foliar Feed: N/A

Plant Health / Stats

Plant Height: 4.5 inches
Bud Density: N/A
Trichome Production: N/A
Internode Spacing: 5cm

Notes:

Put them in small 4" pots with rockwool. Dipped the hydroton in nutrient solution then inserted the cube to keep them happy. I tried to keep them level. Going to start the ebb an flow they are working on the forth set right now.

The tallest one is about 6 inches, average about 4.5 All very healthy and robust in general. I do see I could up the ppms a bit. I was shy the first week feeding them. They are still on every other day. Next week going to hit just the hydroton every day with ebb an flow. Finally it will be automated.

A couple shots,









Here is a better idea of average size.



I am thinking next week I will top them all. Slow things down a bit. I still have six weeks before they can move up.

These girls just finished stretching. I didn't weave then in the screen this time, just a little LST. Got tall but I think I can manage them. I am glad I bent the Widows in the center.





Good to see more of you guys getting a journal up on your grows.

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Earl said:
The mature plants in the top of your cab are WW ?
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Yea, well, Three of them are. That's where I got the clones I am growing with the stinky widow. I grew them from seed they were fem seeds from Green House seeds. 3 out of 5 popped.

I have seven total. 4 Apollo's on the corners and three widows in the center. Two in front trained to the rear and one in the back coming to the front. The widow on the right I broke the top off about 3 nodes down by accident. That's why you see the lower shoots have grown more then the others.

The Widows I bent for about six inches then let them grow up. The Apollos I have cloned five times and selected phenotype I wanted so there are real bushy. This grow I let them go and fill the corners. Then a little LST.

They are about 30" plant if I didn't train them. These Stinky Widows should be perfect size.
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