Skunky

Well it is of course a consideration, and this is from Mandala's website, so I guess they're basically just recommending flowering at lower heights to keep overall height down. That's fine with me as I'm considering going with SOG with these but that depends on how many females I end up with.

Did you notice the suggested yield rates of both of these? Pretty darned high for Sativa doms !


When should I switch to a 12/12 light cycle (flowering) for indoor plant height of 60-100cm/2-3.5 feet?

From seed in soil: 20-25 cm/8-10 inches

Cuttings in soil: 30 cm/12 inches

From seed in hydro

Sadhu, Hashberry, Speed Queen: 20 cm/8 inches

Kalichakra, Satori, White Satin: 15-20 cm/6-8 inches

Cuttings in hydro

Sadhu, Hashberry, Speed Queen: 25-30 cm/10+ inches

Kalichakra, Satori, White Satin: 20 cm/8 inches

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NGT

Thanks very much for the heads up on The Flying Dutchman, I'll certainly check out his offerings. The beauty of Mandala Seeds is that not only are they very good genetics bred by someone who really knows what he's doing, they're also very reasonably priced - these two cost me 15 quid each for 10 seeds! Which I consider a pretty reasonably priced for some landrace derived decent genetics.

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Wouldn't mind some cuts of your Jack Herer NGT, been interested in growing that out but have always been put off by the rediculous price of the seeds!

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When I get a decent mother, I'll be happy to sort you out some clones buddy.

I haven't been growing long enough to know about force flowering. I do know that a plant will triple in height or thereabouts during flower. It also depends much on your pot size. My grapefruit which are (i think) 100% sativa are growing (dwc) in 6litres of root space each plant. They are at the 6 week mark and I'm growing them in the loft, they are barely reaching 4ft. No more than 4.5 ft by the end of flowering.

From seed, I always advise a decent veg', allowing the plants enough time to mature. I have found this to pay dividends when I instigate flower. The plants are ready and explode with pistils from day one of 12/12. Although as you are only looking for mothers, once these have been found the other plants are of little importance. It's my experience though that you still need to wait for the plants to mature properly (around 6-8 weeks), as even though you might be sure of your mother, you cannot really be sure until she shows sex, which is usually around the 6-8 week mark of veg'.

Hey babygro, looking forward to following this one. Hope all goes well for you mate!

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link to my current grow journal: coco grow - Super Silver Haze, Blue Cheese and Trainwreck

Yeah there are quite a few factors that influence final plant size, obviously starting size and genetics will play a big part as will environment, particularly vegging light colour and min/max temperatures and even nutrient strengths.

On the whole I think genetics plays the biggest part and Indica and Indica doms tend to double in size, Sativa and Sativa doms tend to triple and sometimes quadruple in size with Indica/Sativa hybrids sitting somewhere between the two.

Yeah I'm a big fan of longer veg times particularly with Indica and Indica doms due to the fact that on average they only tend to double in size and so therefore the longer vegging time helps with yield as well as reaching sexual maturity which helps with potency.

My Sensi Star from seed was vegged for just under 7 weeks and still only reached about 28-30 inches tall, but benefitted from that extra veg time in the bushiness of it. The clones were vegged for slightly less time about 6 weeks and still only reached about 18 inches tall - mind you there were pretty tiny clones to begin with!

However, with very Sativa dominant plants this time round, particularly ones with the hybrid vigour that these Mandala genetics have I'm extremely wary of vegging them too long knowing how in flowering their height is going to literally explode.

I'm not a big fan of SCRoG's but I'm very interested in Sog growing. So as you suggest I may well simply find two outstanding mothers out of both strains and keep them as mothers and grow out any other females that I might be lucky enough to get. I think both these strains I'm growing are well suited to Sog style growing and put out plenty of clone material.

I do think that with my setup these plants would be best grown out Sog style, so I'll just have to see how many females I get!

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Good luck. Although how are you going to find your mothers. early clone and force flower of such?

My master kush all germinated fine and went into the medium this morning. Hopefully they'll poke out their heads soon.

Thanks Snow White!

I'm really looking forward to this grow as I learnt so much doing my previous grows I'm keen to put it into practice! This is the first grow I'm going into pretty confident of knowing what I'm doing and what I'm trying to acheive. I'm also hoping to do a little experimentation this grow with lights and different feeding schedules and strengths.

So stick around it might get interesting

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I flowered some original haze at 4 weeks veg from seeds in hydro, my grow space just couldnt handle it, i vowed never a sativa again, but guess what i'm growing some.

With the jack and kerala krush im only going to germinate for a mother so that i can clone and keep the sexual maturity and hopefully flower them as soon as i see roots just to keep it managable.