Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome

[qwizoking]

Because if you go back Tim in via and doesn't want to believe in chs ect ect all of those members gave specific info and seem to be the same person...hey I'm 44 in Virginia my email is.... hey I'm 23 in Tallahassee and my email is.. whatever man. I don't know anyone's email name or age of anyone on this site. I also know how many people join the site...you and everyone hear that's a first poster talk the same gave the same info and do it in a time frame that matches getting a new user name accepted to riu.. also only one posters are here how come they joined just to post something they felt so strongly about then left... if it wasn't one dude how come all if these people aren't ganging up on me and chuck..its just one dude making a new thing every week...you see what I'm saying? Plus I'm an actual doctor I mean the door where I work actually has Dr before my last name...I've talked to my colleagues and discussed with them all if the possibilities......I do not believe this condition to exist nor do the people I work with..and they also have phd s in various fields of medicine

Also didnt one of the other one posters get an endoscopy? And didn't you see my huge thing about weed raising stomach ph and all my other explanations

 

[qwizoking]

Lol whoa....grammar issues...not even gonna fix

 

[ItsOkayDontBelieveMe]

Yea, your a doctor, suuuuuure. A doctor wouldnt be so dismissive of patients. I actually am applying to medical school this upcoming year, if you are a doctor... you honestly should be ashamed of yourself for being so dismissive and arrogant. How does any of what you say prove 100 percent we arent different people with the same horrible experience? What is your specialty? Where do you practice medicine and what medical school did you go to?

For those who actually dealt with CHS. I just called Dr. Simonetto and was able to get an email address. I emailed Dr. Simonetto at the Mayo clinic. Hoping I can get more information and offering my medical records for scientific research. Ill post here if I hear back. If i dont hear back, the receptionist said that the Mayo clinic sometimes blocks emails, so I will call again and try to get through to him.

 

[ItsOkayDontBelieveMe]

Are any of the people who posted here having experienced CHS still following this thread? Id love to hear from you guys instead of these trolls.

 

[qwizoking]

As I've mentioned before I am not a MD... I have a pharm d, however where I do not work in a Walmart pharmacy and my colleagues have various specialties.....I graduated from Texas tech. No its not the best school ever but it is top 10..... I make and prepare unstable pharmaceuticals for a living. With a specific background in the brain and how drugs affect the body..pk/pd......I'm aware of the cannabinoids and the bodies reaction ect ect

 

[qwizoking]

Lol dude..I know more about the brain and body than most doctors. I have too know, before you apply to medical school you should probly learn the basics...doctors understand the disease I understand the medicine..because I know what the cannabinoids do I know chs to not exist....and I am a chronic smoker...probly smoke more in a day than you in a week...while being a doctor.....so.......come back when you have something explaining chs

 

[qwizoking]

Lol yea I'm arrogant....and yea I do know more about specific areas than a surgeon or general practitioner or whatever you have in mind...and yea I'm a Dr. So is a therapist or maybe a paleontologist calling myself one isn't an act of grandeur but simply my title....most in my dept complete at least 12 years of schooling not to mention all the bull interning or whatever else you end up going through. I don't think you know anything about medicine or you would realize its the pharmacists job to understand the medicine at its most basic

 

[ItsOkayDontBelieveMe]

alright mr pill counter.

Ironically I had a similar reaction when this resident mentioned marijuana. I told her everything that happened, all my feels, how ive been feeling the weeks preceding... then turned to her and said "I know you cant know without tests, so im not looking for something definitive, but does what I am experiencing sound at all familiar? Does it make you think of anything that I can look into?" she then turns to me and asks "Do you have and history of drug use". I go "no" because sure, I smoke weed but no way weed caused it, right? Then she goes "because it could have been marijuana." I was shocked she said that, and honestly kind of pissed. I was starting to think that maybe they tested my piss for drugs and she saw that and just wanted to dig into me. Thought it was bullshit, she went on and I didnt see her again.

Then i go on my tablet, type in "marijuana causing GI problems." Finally found out about CHS. Then When I did a search on google this was one of the first results (which is why you get so many first time posters). Ive read rollitup before but never posted.

The more I read peoples experiences, the more it sounded EXACTLY like my own.

And I cannot emphasize enough how much I do not want to have CHS, I want to rule out CHS but I prefer difficult reality over comforting delusion.

 

[ItsOkayDontBelieveMe]

My biggest question is really the following (for those who had CHS)

Has anyone who had CHS been able to quit for some period of time, restart using (in moderation) without onset of symptoms again? I know people have had this for longer that I did, I only had my first bad case this past week.

If so, how long did you quit for? How much did you smoke when you started again? and How long did it take for symptoms re-appear or did they not?

Those are the three questions I MOST want to know. ^^^ anyone?

 

[Wendydal]

My 22 year old daughter lives in Boulder, Colorado. She has smoked, with my knowledge, for years. I didn't approve at first, but our family has a serious history of mental health issues, primarily severe depression. I had been taking medication for her entire life and when I began to see symptoms in her while she was in high school, she was diagnosed and treated with mainstream pharmaceuticals. When she went to college, she began using cannabis more frequently and took less and less of her chemical meds to treat her depression. I changed my mind and realized that the natural alternative was probably better for her since it relieved her depression symptoms. I smoked when I was younger, and am not the kind of parent who would normally say "anything goes", so this was a struggle for me, but once she was an adult, I always respected her decision as her decision. I was more concerned about her smoking cigarettes than pot. When she moved to Boulder 3 years ago, I was relieved because it took the legality issue off the table. She had been having nausea and vomiting on an almost daily basis, which we both attributed to her high stress job and anxiety. 3 months ago, she had to be rushed to the hospital with uncontrollable vomiting. She was admitted and remained at the hospital for three days. She had test after test, including invasive testing of her pancreas and gall bladder. They found some erosions in her stomach and prescribed medication that would hopefully heal the erosions before they became ulcers, and an as-needed anti-nausea medication. She changed her eating habits, learned stress management techniques, and got more exercise. She was still having a great amount of nausea, particularly in the mornings. And to those who have questioned previous posts, YES she had several pregnancy tests, and NO she does not have celiac disease. Last night, she was rushed back to the hospital with the same issues. She had been telling me what she was doing to ease the nausea, but it never occurred to her or me that taking hot showers was an actual symptom. That as the key point in her diagnosis. Once she was told what the diagnosis was, she began putting together the pieces that she never though of before. Things like the fact that she felt so much better when she came to North Carolina to visit for the week and couldn't carry pot on the plane, so she didn't smoke while she was here. This is obviously not the only forum that I have researched this condition in, and I know that some will believe that this condition is just a convenient way to get people to stop smoking, but my son also has similar symptoms, but i don't believe that he has this syndrome. The hot water relief is not present, and he has bowel issues that are more in line with irritable bowel syndrome, which is actually improved with cannabis use. While probably the majority of users don't have this syndrome, please don't simply assume that the condition is non-existent because YOU don't have it. I firmly believe that if our daughter had lived somewhere other than Colorado, where they are more aware of the "hot water" symptom, she would have continued in misery, being poked and prodded and tested and prescribed a myriad of chemical medications that would have not helped her, and would have possibly caused more damage to her body. Based on the vast number of patients who have been diagnosed and effectively treated, this IS a real condition. For those who are not effected in this way, I support your right to use cannabis (my only issue being with the legality of your actions), and I actually support the expansion of legalizing cannabis products. But for the many people who are suffering with the same symptoms as my daughter, do yourself a favor and stop using for 7-14 days and see if that helps you. If it doesn't, continue to smoke and have your doctor find a true diagnosis for you.

 

[Wendydal]

The study I read this morning described a group of 10 participants, 5 of whom quit and never restarted (no further symptoms), 5 of whom tried to use again. Two never stopped and continue to have the same symptoms, the other three had the symptoms return so they stopped and have had no further issues.

 

[Moldy]

I've seen this thing pop up here and there and many of the responses are, "oh it ain't the weed" but it's entirely true. It just really sucks for some people that love the herb to have to quit especially if they're using for medical purposes. The first I've heard of it was around 2009, a lot of people have responded at the Norml blog. I believe with a little searching you can find it there.

A high CBD strain may reduce the vomiting?

BTW do you have a link to the study you mentioned?

Good luck!

 

[ItsOkayDontBelieveMe]

thanks for the response wendydal

The hot showers was my "AHHA!!" moment also.

I jumped in the shower because I was cold and shivering and sweating profusely... the shower made me feel so much better. I refused to step out of the shower for HOURS because it also slightly decreased the pain. I slept for minutes at a time in the shower.

How long has your daughter not smoked for now? Has she gone for a long period (a few months) and restarted using? Did she get sick right away or did it take time to build up again? If you know any of this, I would greatly appreciate your response. Thanks!

 

[ItsOkayDontBelieveMe]

moldy, the biggest study I found, was by Dr. Simonetto which is why I contacted him personally today. His study can be found here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3538402/ there is also a video on the webpage where one of the docs talks about it.

OH you meant wendy... yea, id like that link too. These are the links i have up at the moment, havent read all of them yet (just got out of the hospital yesterday). i think i got these links from here (maybe jims links? but not sure since I have so many tabs open now) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2658859/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664574/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1774264/

Also, thanks for taking this seriously. Count your lucky stars and look out for acid building up... i think this is an early warning sign. Acid reflux type problems for weeks and spontaneous vomiting for no apparent reason. Something I also experienced is a strong urge to poop right before smoking, as if the body knew i was about to take in some weed (this was always relieved after smoking). I think this is related but havent heard anybody else describe that symptom, if anyone experienced this, please share here!

Those of you who can, enjoy the weed, I really want to myself

 

[bomb hills]

I have heard of this before
and remember how the only thing that seems to help is a hot shower. Sucks man, I really feel bad for ya. You ever listen to Russ Belville podcast? He has Dr Earlywine on every week to answer health and science questions. That's where I heard of this condition.

 

[ItsOkayDontBelieveMe]

bomb, no i havent heard of that... do you know which episode and/or can provide a link? It would be greatly appreciated, trying to learn as much as I can... I really want to be able to smoke again sometime in the NOT too distant future. But honestly, If i have to live with that pain... man it is soo not worth it (worst pain I ever experienced and ive had broken multiple bones, pierced my own nipple and had it ripped out accidentally, had pnuemonia etc).

 

[Moldy]

moldy, the biggest study I found, was by Dr. Simonetto which is why I contacted him personally today. His study can be found here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3538402/ there is also a video on the webpage where one of the docs talks about it.

OH you meant wendy... yea, id like that link too. These are the links i have up at the moment, havent read all of them yet (just got out of the hospital yesterday). i think i got these links from here (maybe jims links? but not sure since I have so many tabs open now) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2658859/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664574/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1774264/

Also, thanks for taking this seriously. Count your lucky stars and look out for acid building up... i think this is an early warning sign. Acid reflux type problems for weeks and spontaneous vomiting for no apparent reason. Something I also experienced is a strong urge to poop right before smoking, as if the body knew i was about to take in some weed (this was always relieved after smoking). I think this is related but havent heard anybody else describe that symptom, if anyone experienced this, please share here!

Those of you who can, enjoy the weed, I really want to myself

Thanks! I don't have this condition however learning about it now may save my ass someday if it happens to me. I've had one episode but I'm pretty sure it was due to "other" things in my system. I just feel bad for anyone that can't smoke weed and also kinda disappointed in my fellow stoners for believing it's scam.

I've also heard Dr. Earlywine and Rad Russ discuss this issue on his show back in 2009.

 

[Moldy]

bomb, no i havent heard of that... do you know which episode and/or can provide a link? It would be greatly appreciated, trying to learn as much as I can... I really want to be able to smoke again sometime in the NOT too distant future. But honestly, If i have to live with that pain... man it is soo not worth it (worst pain I ever experienced and ive had broken multiple bones, pierced my own nipple and had it ripped out accidentally, had pnuemonia etc).

Here's a link but not to that episode. http://420radio.org/

Go to the Norml website and check for old shows as he used to work for them.

 

[cateyes87]

Here's my story.

I stared smoking daily nearly 2 years ago, at first it was occasional, then for a year and half it was NIGHTLY and sometimes daily, I averaged about 4-6 joints a day/night. (I'm a chick btw)
About a year ago, I stared noticing very horrible changes. At first, I wrote it off as stress. I started losing my appetite, so because of this I started to smoke more so I can eat and maintain my weight and of course be able to get through the day. Cos you know, when you're really hungry and you don't have the appetite to eat, it's a horrible feeling. And when it happens, days after day, month after month, it's awful and takes a toll on you. When I was sober, food was not appealing to me at all, made me want to vomit it out if I really couldn't take it down. And for someone, who's had a HUUUUUGE appetite all of their life, I could eat a large bag of potato chips in one sitting, one medium pizza... this is all without being high), this was very unusual to me. I'm very intuitive when it comes to my body and my own mind so I finally started to realize that that something IS off. I was always full of energy before, my mind was always sharp and I had interest in a lot of things. I started becoming indifferent and lazy. The thing with me is that I was able to BOUNCE back NO MATTER what went on in my life, before my smoking years of course. For the past 10 months, every time I get up, it being 4am... 5am... 8am... I feel extremely nauseous, I have so much mucous ALL the time, it makes me gag, it never ends. Another thing, in the past year, I've lost 20lbs!!!! I'm now underweight, I still eat the same, if not more due to munchies. People have been saying over the past year that I've lost weight but I was like nah, because I don't weigh myself, and when I did, I was in shock. I'm 98lbs, I was 117lbs before. I tried to ignore the truth, but I no longer can because it's affecting every part of my life.
I just quit a day ago, and it's difficult. I didn't smoke any this morning and all day. I was vomiting mucus for an hour and I feel so nauseous too, it's hard to eat but I'm force feeding myself or trying to anyway. I cannot live like this any longer, and I do strongly believe it is due to MJ.
In my personal life, I know 2 females who have had similar issues... the vomiting, the mucous, the extreme weight loss, the anxiety, no appetite when sober.

I don't want to quit forever, like the ones who have experienced this have said. But due to the side effects and the fact that the way I have been smoking is abuse to myself. I have decided to cut it out for a while, then eventually make it occasional. Above all, it is very therapeutic to me.

The icing on the cake is that I was like most of the people in here, who also thought, 'no way, something like this is impossible!'
If you are a heavy smoker like I was for a long period of time, it's a possibility it can happen to you too.

Thank you so much for posting this.

 

[MaryAnne123]

I was just diagnosed with this syndrome I have been fighting with pain nausea and vomiting for the past three years. I am a chronic marijuana smoker at least 2 g a day. I thought that smoking was making me feel better. But in reality he was poisoning my body. For all of you that think this is bogus or not true. I would love to see you go through three years of pain vomiting and nausea not be able to work not be able to take care of your kids. Today is only day one of not smoking but I'm never gonna smoke again because I never want to feel like that again. My life is worth way more than some marijuana.