i have sinned in every way possible ,now im doomed

[eye exaggerate]

If someone is in a position where they feel they are going to die; it is the most reprehensible thing I can think of to play on their emotions to up conversion rates.

...sorry, I guess I don't see how this is about conversion. (?)

 

[eye exaggerate]

i feel like im doomed , ive got to go for a colonscopy in 2 weeks time , and i think they will find cancer , i think ive been a bad person and i deserve it , im starting to believe certaian parts of Christianity are true , if i look back on my life ive made other people and other animals suffer , from burning ants with bleach to being the class bully and beating people up just for having ginger hair or for being fat or wearing glasses , ive been a horrible glutenous person and now at 32 i think im going to pay for it .
i dont know if its indoctrination making me feel like this or i am actually realizing the bad person ive been , i kind of starting to believe i am a bad person and i should of believed in a god , i feel like im due , torture and punishment , ive lived a life of bliss from about 12 years old , ive been able to take whatever drug ive wanted whenever ive wanted , ive fucked sluts and snorted powder every night for years , i now feel like im going to die , i have this test coming up , im shitting blood and i yhink its all gonna catch up with me now

Hey bro, everything is going to be okay.
Get right with God and you won't have to worry about a thing.

Here is a link to begin your journey, feel free to ask me anything you need to know. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 1&version=NIV
Read the book of John it's twenty one chapters, in it lies just about everything you need to know.

God has been waiting for you to come to Him and accepts you just as you are.

[SUP]John 3: 16-21

16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. [SUP]19 [/SUP]This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. [SUP]21 [/SUP]But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

...don't we all get to have a perspective on what might help a person? Sat talked God first, so far as I can see.

*to the bolded - those were OG's first words.

(not trying to be a dck)

 

[kpmarine]

...don't we all get to have a perspective on what might help a person? Sat talked God first, so far as I can see.

*to the bolded - those were OG's first words.

(not trying to be a dck)

His first words don't change the fact that he's using a person's shitty situation to throw scripture at them. Sat is in a shitty place, and he needs real help; not the scripture-centric ramblings of a person with a Christ-complex.

 

[cannabineer]

It seems the entire religion's recruitment is based on exactly the action you describe. It seems most people find jesus when they are at their most desperate and afraid and their life is upside down, i.e. serving a prison sentence, after a tragedy, after a loved one dies, etc.. You don't often hear about someone turning to religion when one's life is going well and they're making the right choices. I think the method that OG is using just seems shocking because it's directed at someone we know, but really, it's business as usual...

This is why I classify it as a virulent meme. cn

 

[PetFlora]

His first words don't change the fact that he's using a person's shitty situation to throw scripture at them. Sat is in a shitty place, and he needs real help; not the scripture-centric ramblings of a person with a Christ-complex.

KPM of course you are right, BECAUSE you have broken free of the religious programming. Our job is to awaken people that they have been programmed.

Just hearing/reading it can be sufficient to loosen the hold.

But if you live in a religious centric area with family and friends, it is extremely difficult, as you have to leave your mind-controlled family/friends behind. Not easy

 

[SlaveNoMore]

It seems the entire religion's recruitment is based on exactly the action you describe. It seems most people find jesus when they are at their most desperate and afraid and their life is upside down, i.e. serving a prison sentence, after a tragedy, after a loved one dies, etc.. You don't often hear about someone turning to religion when one's life is going well and they're making the right choices. I think the method that OG is using just seems shocking because it's directed at someone we know, but really, it's business as usual...

I can see where you are coming from and I understand. However,even if it helps people only in a time of need then it's a good thing. If they choose to abandon religion after things stabilize then so be it. If the OP is having a hard time and some kind of spirituality is what helps him through then what's the harm? Nobody is holding a gun to his head and he can only benefit from the experience through knowledge of his chosen path. Needless suffering is a waste and if a person doesn't have the strength to face a trying situation on his own then I think some kind of "divine" help is great.

Shit I know it helped me through some tough times. OP go the way that you feel is right for you.

 

[SlaveNoMore]

i feel like im doomed , ive got to go for a colonscopy in 2 weeks time , and i think they will find cancer , i think ive been a bad person and i deserve it , im starting to believe certaian parts of Christianity are true , if i look back on my life ive made other people and other animals suffer , from burning ants with bleach to being the class bully and beating people up just for having ginger hair or for being fat or wearing glasses , ive been a horrible glutenous person and now at 32 i think im going to pay for it .
i dont know if its indoctrination making me feel like this or i am actually realizing the bad person ive been , i kind of starting to believe i am a bad person and i should of believed in a god , i feel like im due , torture and punishment , ive lived a life of bliss from about 12 years old , ive been able to take whatever drug ive wanted whenever ive wanted , ive fucked sluts and snorted powder every night for years , i now feel like im going to die , i have this test coming up , im shitting blood and i yhink its all gonna catch up with me now

It appears to me you are going through a grieving process and I have been there. It is hard to face the reality of death if you have never done so. I promise you will come to terms with what you are going through and the key is learning to let go. Letting go of life as you know it now and not thinking about what life will be. What the outcome will be is anyone's guess but I can say with certainty that other people have been in your shoes and you are not alone.

I think you will be just fine my friend and you will be better for the experience in the end.

 

[tyler.durden]

I can see where you are coming from and I understand. However,even if it helps people only in a time of need then it's a good thing. If they choose to abandon religion after things stabilize then so be it. If the OP is having a hard time and some kind of spirituality is what helps him through then what's the harm? Nobody is holding a gun to his head and he can only benefit from the experience through knowledge of his chosen path. Needless suffering is a waste and if a person doesn't have the strength to face a trying situation on his own then I think some kind of "divine" help is great.

Shit I know it helped me through some tough times. OP go the way that you feel is right for you.

I also understand where you are coming from. Sativa is in a unique position as he grew up indoctrinated with religious belief, then abandoned it as he learned to think critically and apply reason. Now that he is in a very stressful dilemma, it seems his indoctrination is rearing its ugly head. Imo, this isn't a good thing for a couple of reasons: He is regressing; he has dedicated so much time and effort toward making progress and overcoming irrationality and mysticism, only to now be tempted by its false answers and comfort once again. Even if it 'gets him through' this trying time, it will have a greater hold on him than before, thus undoing much of his hard work. It's much like a former heroin junkie; they are most tempted to use again during times of great stress, so they may either suffer through the stress by using their learned healthier coping mechanisms, or feel they need the crutch and relapse into the comfort they once knew. Even if Sativa does need a crutch to get through this, I feel it would be better to find one that would be less damaging, i.e. finding some group therapy where people who are going through similar situations could lend some perspective on dealing with such a thing. Something like this may get him through this without damaging his mind and undoing years of good work.

The other reason for not going the regressive religious route is that it lends support, no matter how little in each instance, to religious fundamentalism and extremism. Moderate, benign religious belief seems harmless when we look at each instance, but in the big picture it is ultimately lending tacit support and legitimacy to the religious extremists of the same doctrine. Everyone's small comfort, when based in irrationality, can and does add up to large tragedies...

 

[kpmarine]

I also understand where you are coming from. Sativa is in a unique position as he grew up with indoctrinated with religious belief, then abandoned it as he learned to think critically and apply reason. Now that he is in a very stressful dilemma, it seems his indoctrination is rearing its ugly head. Imo, this isn't a good thing for a couple of reasons: He is regressing; he has dedicated so much time and effort toward making progress and overcoming irrationality and mysticism, only to now be tempted by its false answers and comfort once again. Even if it 'gets him through' this trying time, it will have a greater hold on him than before, thus undoing much of his hard work. It's much like a former heroin junkie; they are most tempted to use again during times of great stress, so they may either suffer through the stress by using their learned healthier coping mechanisms, or feel they need the crutch and relapse into the comfort they once knew. Even if Sativa does need a crutch to get through this, I feel it would be better to find one that would be less damaging, i.e. finding some group therapy where people who are going through similar situations could lend some perspective on dealing with such a thing. Something like this may get him through this without damaging his mind and undoing years of good work.

Well said tyler. Sativa needs to find folks who are in his situation and get help from people who have experience actually helping people. I know that if someone told my buddies that the solution to their PTSD was "get right with god" instead of directing them somewhere useful; I'd slap them for keeping my friend out of a place that could provide actual help. Real problems need real solutions. A book of ancient stories are not going to provide real solutions.

 

[cannabineer]

Well said tyler. Sativa needs to find folks who are in his situation and get help from people who have experience actually helping people. I know that if someone told my buddies that the solution to their PTSD was "get right with god" instead of directing them somewhere useful; I'd slap them for keeping my friend out of a place that could provide actual help. Real problems need real solutions. A book of ancient stories are not going to provide real solutions.

Church has a real advantage in providing easily-found, reliable community so long as you hew to the credo. Atheists simply aren't as organized. That makes standing alone in a world of uncertain spirit ... a sustained exercise in steadfastness imo/ime. cn

 

[silasraven]

dude your going to have relax. dont no about karma, but this isnt because you have sinned. its just something that happens.

 

[kpmarine]

Church has a real advantage in providing easily-found, reliable community so long as you hew to the credo. Atheists simply aren't as organized. That makes standing alone in a world of uncertain spirit ... a sustained exercise in steadfastness imo/ime. cn

That's why I hated being part of it as a kid. The amount the community cared was directly proportionate to the amount of services I attended and what I wore to church; they only care if you have something to give them. I was fortunate to land among a group of like-minded atheist individuals, though. In shitty times I've always had friends that supported me instead of trying to convert me as a means of help.

 

[thepenofareadywriter]

i feel like im doomed , ive got to go for a colonscopy in 2 weeks time , and i think they will find cancer , i think ive been a bad person and i deserve it , im starting to believe certaian parts of Christianity are true , if i look back on my life ive made other people and other animals suffer , from burning ants with bleach to being the class bully and beating people up just for having ginger hair or for being fat or wearing glasses , ive been a horrible glutenous person and now at 32 i think im going to pay for it .
i dont know if its indoctrination making me feel like this or i am actually realizing the bad person ive been , i kind of starting to believe i am a bad person and i should of believed in a god , i feel like im due , torture and punishment , ive lived a life of bliss from about 12 years old , ive been able to take whatever drug ive wanted whenever ive wanted , ive fucked sluts and snorted powder every night for years , i now feel like im going to die , i have this test coming up , im shitting blood and i yhink its all gonna catch up with me now

to you who fear:BE not troubled or fear. I am the beginning and the end the alpha and the omega I make live and I make die I created you for my purpose and mine only not mans thinking do not fear mans religion, they are in confusion that's why... I named them babel for their confusion. Pay their words no mind...I am the WORD I spoke and it came to be. I am light I cast out darkness..just go with the FLOW and enjoy the ride; both the the waves and the calm.what is today will be tomorrow, and has already been. that includes you. YOUR life is between you and me...you are safe! I am the word.

 

[kpmarine]

to you who fear:BE not troubled or fear. I am the beginning and the end the alpha and the omega I make live and I make die I created you for my purpose and mine only not mans thinking do not fear mans religion, they are in confusion that's why... I named them babel for their confusion. Pay their words no mind...I am the WORD I spoke and it came to be. I am light I cast out darkness..just go with the FLOW and enjoy the ride; both the the waves and the calm.what is today will be tomorrow, and has already been. that includes you. YOUR life is between you and me...you are safe! I am the word.

OG, you're not Jesus incarnate.

 

[Impman]

Being religious is easy, you can just ask for forgiveness. I am an Atheist and I have to hold MYSELF accountable for my actions, no wiggle room there. I don't bully or murder people or deserve "eternal damnation' either.

 

[Impman]

I use to take LSD and drive around a lot... Looking back that probably was not a good idea. No accidents , and no one ever got hurt. IF I am wrong and there is a god I can't wait till we go over that period of my life and judge it piece by piece . That would be so freaking hilarious and entertaining

 

[thepenofareadywriter]

OG, you're not Jesus incarnate.

if you knew the truth you would know there was no one name jesus

 

[kpmarine]

if you knew the truth you would know there was no one name jesus

And yet, you have claimed to be the new incarnation of such an individual.

 

[Dislexicmidget2021]

i feel like im doomed , ive got to go for a colonscopy in 2 weeks time , and i think they will find cancer , i think ive been a bad person and i deserve it , im starting to believe certaian parts of Christianity are true , if i look back on my life ive made other people and other animals suffer , from burning ants with bleach to being the class bully and beating people up just for having ginger hair or for being fat or wearing glasses , ive been a horrible glutenous person and now at 32 i think im going to pay for it .
i dont know if its indoctrination making me feel like this or i am actually realizing the bad person ive been , i kind of starting to believe i am a bad person and i should of believed in a god , i feel like im due , torture and punishment , ive lived a life of bliss from about 12 years old , ive been able to take whatever drug ive wanted whenever ive wanted , ive fucked sluts and snorted powder every night for years , i now feel like im going to die , i have this test coming up , im shitting blood and i yhink its all gonna catch up with me now

Well Sativa, Im not going to sugar coat it man,you have supported habits that have brought you to where you are and has made you feel a sense of regret in light of what youre going to go through presently IMO.Once you get past this current phase, which you will,focus on making life changes bro!You gotta focus on your health and what is going in your body to get you better,otherwise.....well, you know the obvious there.

 

[thepenofareadywriter]

And yet, you have claimed to be the new incarnation of such an individual.

he is not an individual...Psa 45:1 To the chief Musician upon Shoshannim, for the sons of Korah, Maschil, A Song of loves. My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer .