Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

[desert dude]

it's not liberty until you impose an arbitrary moral line on others' autonomy!

Like the autonomy to murder your neighbor, wife, or some stranger!

 

[timbo123]

Twelve weeks is the point where anatomically the foetus is complete and "potentially viable" medically.

From that point on it just "gets bigger" but is completely formed.

I agree with a 12 week cut off, after 3 months you know you're pregnant and have had plenty of time to "choose".

I'm pro-choice, but 12 weeks provides plenty of time for choice and at the same time protects the life of a (at that point) thinking, living, human being.

I'll throw this in for what it's worth. Our second child died in the womb at 19 weeks. My wife actually had to go into the hospital and deliver it. I held it in my palms and it did indeed look exactly like a tiny little human. Just something I saw with my eyes and felt with my hands. I don't know what the "right" number of weeks is.

 

[Trolling]

It's dejavu again, *sigh*.

 

[desert dude]

I'll throw this in for what it's worth. Our second child died in the womb at 19 weeks. My wife actually had to go into the hospital and deliver it. I held it in my palms and it did indeed look exactly like a tiny little human. Just something I saw with my eyes and felt with my hands. I don't know what the "right" number of weeks is.

My condolences. I was lucky. All my kids were born healthy.

 

[timbo123]

Yeah. And I'm by no means trying to throw a tear jerker, emotional anecdote into the discussion as a reason for picking a certain number of weeks. It was an eye opener for me though, to experience that first hand. It is what it is.

 

[UncleBuck]

the attachment between a woman and a fetus is so flimsy and non-sacred that we need moral gaylords to impose their authority upon these ruthless, murdering women.

but corporations always do what is in the best interest of their customers and the free market will fix it all magically, no onerous and burdensome laws or regulations needed.

i am a libertarian.

 

[fdd2blk]

 

[Moses Mobetta]

the attachment between a woman and a fetus is so flimsy and non-sacred that we need moral gaylords to impose their authority upon these ruthless, murdering women.

but corporations always do what is in the best interest of their customers and the free market will fix it all magically, no onerous and burdensome laws or regulations needed.

i am a libertarian.

That goes well with the picture . By the way every time I see that face I want to throw an axe into my computer screen .

 

[UncleBuck]

Like the autonomy to murder your neighbor, wife, or some stranger!

i've never gestated nor seen anyone else gestate neighbors, spouses or strangers.

good thing we have a "libertarian" here to impose as the morality police! because we all know women should not be trusted with liberty, they will just go off and get knocked up and kill crowning babies just for the fuck of it all. they are horrible people, these women. not to be trusted with liberty.

 

[fdd2blk]

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20120516/NEWS01/305160051/Experts-Moms-who-kill-kids-often-driven-by-love

Unfathomable to most parents, Tonya Thomas may have believed she was acting out of love when she allegedly shot and killed her four children early Tuesday morning, say experts who have researched mothers who kill their children.

 

[fdd2blk]

i could go on all day, i have to go to walmart to get more powered drink though.

 

[desert dude]

i've never gestated nor seen anyone else gestate neighbors, spouses or strangers.

good thing we have a "libertarian" here to impose as the morality police! because we all know women should not be trusted with liberty, they will just go off and get knocked up and kill crowning babies just for the fuck of it all. they are horrible people, these women. not to be trusted with liberty.

And charging a woman with murder, when she murders someone is opposed to Democratic doctrine, because War on Womynz!!!

It's only OK to murder those you gestate.

Warmest regards, Unclebuck

 

[timbo123]

the attachment between a woman and a fetus is so flimsy and non-sacred that we need moral gaylords to impose their authority upon these ruthless, murdering women.

but corporations always do what is in the best interest of their customers and the free market will fix it all magically, no onerous and burdensome laws or regulations needed.

i am a libertarian.

Politically I find that I identify closer with Libertatian than Repub or Dem... that said, I am by no means dogmatic. If as you suggest, allowing corporations to run roughshod over consumers is a plank of the Libertatian platform, that doesn't happen to be one that I support.

 

[UncleBuck]

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20120516/NEWS01/305160051/Experts-Moms-who-kill-kids-often-driven-by-love

Unfathomable to most parents, Tonya Thomas may have believed she was acting out of love when she allegedly shot and killed her four children early Tuesday morning, say experts who have researched mothers who kill their children.

that happens like, a dozen times each year in my little town.

 

[UncleBuck]

If as you suggest, allowing corporations to run roughshod over consumers is a plank of the Libertatian platform, that doesn't happen to be one that I support.

that does seem to be one plank from what i've seen. they say the free market will fix it all. just like magic. no need to do anything, the free market will sort it all out.

but god forbid we extend too much liberty to murderous women, all chomping at the bit to kill their fetuses and whatnot.

 

[cannabineer]

Apologies. I assumed that everyone would be able to make the correlation that the mother making a "choice" over a full term, unborn baby is akin to making a choice over SOMEONE else's body... such as me making a choice about the vag of the hottie in line... or the broken hips of the elderly bank patrons.

I raise my glass to you for the finely-wielded sarcasm ... it's refreshing, considering most sarcasm around here is of the blunt-trauma variety.

However I must also observe that your redefinition to only abortions at full term is an equally deft shifting of the goalposts. cn

 

[cannabineer]

i'm pretty good at breathing, and i've never had to regurgitate for weeks on end due to the practice. nor has breathing ever caused me much pain to stand and walk nor made me want to consume massive amounts of food.

unless i breathed in the devil's vapor.

Never walk behind the Devil when he's been gorging on .. uhmm, somebodied eggs. cn

 

[cannabineer]

So you justify killing the unborn by denying their humanity? You support Nazism, Fascism, racism, and slavery, too?

If I want to support a straw man, I find a two-by-four the better item for the job.

I do not deny the unborn their being either alive or potentially, eventually human. However I find it equally fraught to presume the personhood of a first-trimester spoonful of ambitious cells. cn

 

[Canna Sylvan]

If a woman has an abortion at month 5 ... what child? cn

This looks delicious. I can't wait until it's harvested and put in my Pepsi!

 

[timbo123]

I raise my glass to you for the finely-wielded sarcasm ... it's refreshing, considering most sarcasm around here is of the blunt-trauma variety.

However I must also observe that your redefinition to only abortions at full term is an equally deft shifting of the goalposts. cn

Thank you friend, it is nice to have one's talents appreciated. I really only have a problem with the later term abortions, or more precisely "after the quickening" as you say. I'm not trying to move the goalposts.