Christianity has been debunked once and for all
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Shamegame your post count is 15,000
4.9 a day and you're tellin; me? you poser
back the fuck off me christian monkey,
I will post when and where I like as a member,
so fuck off....atleast until santa gets here you fuckin' abysmal
cum gargler.
BTW this my new account...been here awhile you pandering ass-lick.
4.9 a day and you're tellin; me? you poser
back the fuck off me christian monkey,
I will post when and where I like as a member,
so fuck off....atleast until santa gets here you fuckin' abysmal
cum gargler.
BTW this my new account...been here awhile you pandering ass-lick.
shamegame
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And with your attitude you will be making new accounts often since you keep ruining them by acting like this. I don't care who you are- stop spamming.
Darque
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I think that was a immature and festidiously basic rant.
As much as i like giving christians stick cause alot of there things dont add up, and i dont see muslims or hindus handing out "praise god or go to hell" "jesus died painfully for your sins" cards,
It was rather pathetic
As much as i like giving christians stick cause alot of there things dont add up, and i dont see muslims or hindus handing out "praise god or go to hell" "jesus died painfully for your sins" cards,
It was rather pathetic
trishmybiscuits
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Oh, no, not another "rant" comment. Can't you people at least be original? The first person that responded to this thread used the term "rant" and everyone who trashed it afterword just cloned her. What's the matter? Can't you people think for yourselves? What are you? Zombies?
But in actuality that's OK. Merely calling the piece names just reinforces the piece's credibility.You can call it whatever you want. The only thing that matters is whether you can dispute it or not. And no one who has posted to this thread has even lifted a finger along those lines. You people who merely call it names like "rant" or "tirade" just build up the credibility of the piece with each remark. I repeat, just don't dispute the piece.
You see, merely pointing out that Jesus didn't know anything about the natural world can never be equated with the term "rant" because all it is is a simple fact. Consequently, when people resort to the use of such terms all they do is announce to the world the nature of their own shallow mentality.
So, by all means, keep all those "rant" comments coming because we haven't built up the credibility of the piece high enough yet!!!
kronicsmurf
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Why bother bashing christians or religion, its not going to go away people believe how they want to believe. i personally think that atheism is a narrow minded cult and no better than the christians they like to bash. just to set the record straight i'm not taking sides. i believe that God exist but don't really feel the need to ram that belief down anyones throat.
Maccabee
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A lot of people also agree that the sky is blue and water is wet. It is a rant. Atheism can be just as ignorantly dogmatic as the most throwback-laden forms Christianity. I'm firmly agnostic, and I don't have a dog in this race. I don't feel like going through what is obviously a non-objective piece of writing in thorough enough detail to enumerate all of the logical fallacies--the quality of the writing doesn't really sustain that kind of analysis.
However, I'll list a few that can be found in even a cursory once-over of the "article:"
Argumentum ad logicam,
Argumentum ad nauseam,
Argumentum ad Hominem,
Argumentum ad ignorantiam,
Argumentum ad populum,
Argumentum ad novitatem,
Converse accident / Hasty generalization,
Petitio principii / Begging the question, Circulus in demonstrando
Complex question / Fallacy of interrogation / Fallacy of presupposition
Ignoratio elenchi / Irrelevant conclusion
Fallacy of division
Affirmation of the consequent
Denial of the antecedent
Bifurcation
Plurium interrogationum / Many questions
Red herring
Straw Man
You can find good explanations of these in the Constructing Logical Arguments FAQ--part of the old Alt.Atheism FAQ collection. This is a document that was originally written to try and improve the quality (read: intellectual sophistication) of the debate on alt.atheism and USENET in general.
I'm going to link it here, because I think many of the participants in this thread might find it interesting both because their content is good and very even handed but also because they are a piece of Internet culture from the early years that show how long-running and controversial the debate over religion and atheism has been since the days of USENET.
It's a very good document just in terms of a critical reference, I've found it to be useful in sharpening my thinking in developing academic work. If nothing else, it provides very useful encapsulations of the classic logical fallacies without having to pull out a volume of philosophy or rhetoric.
Whatever you think of what I'm saying, or where you stand on this debate (or don't care about it at all) this FAQ is one of those jewels of Internet lore that's worth saving, printing, keeping around, and showing to people. There are expensive textbooks out there that are less informative.
Alt.Atheism FAQ: Constructing a Logical Argument ( 1996 edition mirrored. )
Here, also, is the "About Atheism FAQ" that used to circulate on alt.atheism:
Atheism: An Introduction to Atheism
I find this to be a MUCH better atheist 'rejoinder' to dogmatic, evangelizing , proselytizing or otherwise hostile Christians than the "article" linked in the original post above.
trishmybiscuits
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I think you're missing the point. Let's face it, people can make a science out of debunking Christianity, and I'm sure that scholars have tried to do just that. Someone could probably create a four-year college corriculum based entirely on debunking Christianity. But that's the beauty of this piece, its simplicity. It is very, very pathetically easy to debunk Chritianity once and for all just by taking a look at some very simple facts. That's all that piece does. All that piece is, is just a collection of simple facts that no rationally minded person could read and ever attach any credibility to Christianity ever again.
There's several simple facts in that piece that themselves alone would be enough to permanently debunked Christianity.
Only an ignorant fool, however, would expect everyone to read something like that to like it. And I'm sure the author never did. I've seen this same piece discussed on umpteen forums across the Internet and have witnessed many great things being said about it.
I don't need to be lectured on what constitutes the debunking of Chritianity or not. I can recognize it without any help. That piece lives up to its title whether you agree or not. The literature that you rave about apparently never got the job done.
There's several simple facts in that piece that themselves alone would be enough to permanently debunked Christianity.
Only an ignorant fool, however, would expect everyone to read something like that to like it. And I'm sure the author never did. I've seen this same piece discussed on umpteen forums across the Internet and have witnessed many great things being said about it.
I don't need to be lectured on what constitutes the debunking of Chritianity or not. I can recognize it without any help. That piece lives up to its title whether you agree or not. The literature that you rave about apparently never got the job done.
SocataSmoker
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Christianity or not... something had to start all of this Trish. Big bang, fine in the fact planets do form from gas clouds etc... etc... but to say that all of this came from some kind of "snap" in the universe is just ignorant. I have many different beliefs, I cannot classify an exact definition of mine, and as a great man said "I have a religion, and my religion is kindness." and cannot conform to one central "belief" as in there is this spirit named God above us and la la la. I do know that there is a higher power or powers that created this space which the universe fills, and I know that there is an afterlife, credited to a drunk driver who killed me for a good 3 minutes. I cannot explain it and will not try to, please respect that... but I do know that when we die we do not just empty out into blackness and fertilize the soil. We go somewhere, I have no idea where and nor do I want to think about where as I know in the end I'll be there, just trying to enjoy the journey. So in my opinion, Christianity, as with any handed down form of anything, has become twisted. That is why I do not follow any set religion. Ergh it's 5 AM and I'm rambling incoherently, I am safe in my knowledge of what lies after this life here on earth, I wish others could know what I know... and experience what I experienced, and you will of course, dying is inevitable... but to die and come back, it has changed me... that is all I will say about my life in terms of spirituality. Make your religion kindness, it's one we all can understand.
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
all religion especially organized is evil and bad. religion is the reason of most wars and divisons of hate. We can all better the word by stopping to acknowledge any religion and just live life for what we can and not try to make more of it then it is..dont give that money to a church buy lunch for a homeless family ..if there is your god he'd be much happier your helping his childrne then that child mloesting church
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
ps if your in america feed a homeless us family dont send the money to africa or else where we have plenty in need in our own backyard too
SocataSmoker
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Exactly, just what I said man 
Make kindness your religion and everything will be alright...
Make kindness your religion and everything will be alright...
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
Thats right socata.. we agree lets make a church and our own religion...oh wait thats a bad idea isnt it lol
trishmybiscuits
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Your comments are very warmly received by the originator of this thread. Your intelligence and maturity transcends many of the individuals who've responded so far.
Cannabolic
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religion itself isent bad. its people that are the evil ones. religion is not the reason for bigitry and hatred and ignorence. but you are right about the homless thing America needs to take care of our own ppl befor we can go into another country and help them (iraq)
Cannabolic
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how is it intellegent. its a biased opinion on his/her belief of religion. there was nothing factual about it.
Hydrotech364
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i read somewhere the other day that scientists are extremely close to exposing the god particle.the particle that is responsible for life as we know it.i believe the bible was a moral rule book with a plot.i live by most of the rules in it,because i choose to be a gentleman as well as an example to youth and stupid fuckers who do not get the fact that people will treat you the way you treat them.you reap what you sow!!!!!
peace brothers and sisters.
peace brothers and sisters.
If you listen to Christians in the United States you might come away with the impression that they're a persecuted lot.
Thats what the article said.Are you people persecuting them? Don't let different words for the same thing in the end divide everyone. Thats what they want.
Thats what the article said.Are you people persecuting them? Don't let different words for the same thing in the end divide everyone. Thats what they want.
that article was interesting but really wasn't any good... I'm personally agnostic and if I were to criticize Christian tendency/tradition, it would be the means by which the claimed knowledge of God is spread. People can be born into Christian families and believe in it out of ignorance because it's what they were fed since they understand English, and some people convert from atheism or other religions after... who knows what changes their mind - but the one thing that I consistently hear from a large amount of them in debates is defending blind faith as a good enough reason to believe in something. At this point it stops being a debate and starts being useless rhetorical blabbering.... think about it. If you want me to believe something like, let's say... that if I don't accept that Jesus was the son of God and died for my sins, you have to give me a reason - but rather than a reason you provide me with both a threat and a bribe wrapped in one nice little package. You see, if I accept (WITHOUT QUESTION) that Jesus is my savior and died for all my sins, I go to that wonderful place called heaven.... and if I question or deny it, I go to hell. Rather than giving me a reason to believe something, you bribe me with the most desirable thing you can imagine - and try and scare me into believing the worst possible thing imaginable will happen to me if I don't believe it - but regardless of what I believe, neither of these 2 things will come by way until after I die... so I'll never be able to confirm your claims to others because I'll die before I ever truly know.
With this logic, NO ONE can KNOW that there is a heaven and hell or that Jesus ever died for their sins. Many can claim to know, for fear that if they don't continue to believe so, they'll later suffer for eternity... but if you only refer to "knowledge" in the strict sense of meaning our language gives it, there is none to be found with this faith stuff. What amuses me about religious debates is all those people who try and prove a point with a passage (or passages) from their holy book and nothing more. I wish I could make things indisputably true simply by writing them down... or at least chose something nice someone else wrote down and make it true!
What it comes down to is a personal choice. You can walk one of many Christian roads or you can walk any other road of life, but if anyone ever tries to make that choice for you they'd better actually make some sort of a logical argument rather than spewing a series of statements without explanations.
With this logic, NO ONE can KNOW that there is a heaven and hell or that Jesus ever died for their sins. Many can claim to know, for fear that if they don't continue to believe so, they'll later suffer for eternity... but if you only refer to "knowledge" in the strict sense of meaning our language gives it, there is none to be found with this faith stuff. What amuses me about religious debates is all those people who try and prove a point with a passage (or passages) from their holy book and nothing more. I wish I could make things indisputably true simply by writing them down... or at least chose something nice someone else wrote down and make it true!
What it comes down to is a personal choice. You can walk one of many Christian roads or you can walk any other road of life, but if anyone ever tries to make that choice for you they'd better actually make some sort of a logical argument rather than spewing a series of statements without explanations.
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