Local chief says some Michigan medical marijuana patients could be reported to feds..

Beagle

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Source: http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2012/06/some_michigan_medical_marijuan.html
GENESEE COUNTY, MI -- Trying to buy a gun, or even dealing with police in any way in some communities, could land medical marijuana patients in reports to federal authorities.

File PhotoMedical marijuana users are being identified under a police procedure adopted by a local police agency.
Flushing Police Chief Mark Hoornstra said his department adopted the procedure about six months ago following a training seminar organized by the FBI, which was attended by about a dozen other Michigan law enforcement agencies.
Under the procedure, Hoornstra said his officers report any interactions with individuals identified as medical marijuana patients to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, even if they are not committing a crime or violating the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act.
So far, about 10 medical marijuana users have been reported to the federal government by Flushing Police, Hoornstra said.
The NICS program allows clerks at firearm retailers to quickly identify if a potential buyer has a criminal record or any other red flag, such as drug abuse, that would ban them from purchasing a firearm.
Federal law prohibits the “shipment, transportation, receipt, or possession” of a firearm by anyone that uses or is addicted to a controlled substance, according to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives form 4473, which firearms buyers are required to complete prior to the purchase a gun.
On the 4473 form, potential buyers are asked if they are an “unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance.”
Medicinal marijuana is legal in Michigan, but it is still illegal under federal law. This was highlighted in a September 2011 letter sent out by the ATF to all federal firearm dealers.
The letter spells out that gun dealers cannot sell firearms to people that are identified as medical marijuana users.
“The regulations, under which NICS operates, permits the NICS examiners to make an inference of use when the subject is found in possession of a controlled substance,” the FBI’s Stephen Fischer Jr. wrote in an email to The Flint Journal. “If a known user attempts to buy a firearm from a (Federal Firearm Licensee), then NICS can and will deny the transaction.”
Answering “yes” to the drug question on the 4473 disqualifies the potential buyer from purchasing the firearm. However, with the FBI-backed procedure, the NICS program could already know the answer to that question before the buyer ever even fills out the form.
The FBI confirmed that it does receive information from Michigan law enforcement agencies.
“State and local law enforcement do not have to report persons to any of the NICS databases – i.e., they are not mandated by the federal government to do so,” Fischer wrote. “They do so voluntarily for law enforcement purposes.”
However, Fischer said the FBI does not maintain a database specifically to identify medical marijuana patients.
“The NICS does not keep track of medical marijuana users,” Fischer wrote. “It does keep records of denied transactions by persons who have recorded use of controlled substances (e.g., arrests and convictions) within certain time spans and who have been discovered in possession of a firearm.”
Matthew Abel, an attorney with the Detroit-based Cannabis Counsel, a law firm that specializes in marijuana issues, says he believes the procedure of reporting medical marijuana patients to the federal government is in violation of state law.
“The Medical Marihuana Act has provisions that anyone that discloses information is guilty of a misdemeanor,” Abel said.
According to the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act, “applications and supporting information submitted by qualifying patients, including information regarding their primary caregivers and physicians, are confidential.”
The law goes on to say that the information can be used to verify to law enforcement if a medical marijuana patient’s identification card is valid, but “a person, including an employee or official of the department or another state agency or local unit of government, who discloses confidential information in violation of this act is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 6 months, or a fine of not more than $1,000.00, or both.”
Hoornstra defended his department’s procedure, saying that it is up to the federal government to decide what it does with the information after it is received. The chief also said he does not believe he is in violation of state law.
“Our job is to enforce the laws of the state and federal government,” Hoornstra said. “All we do is report.”
Meanwhile, Michigan gun dealers are caught in the middle.
A number of federal firearm licensees around Genesee County said they have been approached by medical marijuana patients about buying firearms but had to break the news to them that they are unable to purchase one.
And while federal law does not require a firearm dealer to ask a potential buyer if they are a medical marijuana user, dealers say they have turned people away if they believe they aren’t legally allowed to purchase a gun.
“We err on the side of safety,” said Dan Compeau, chief operating officer for Williams Gun Sight in Davison. “Firearms are probably the highest regulated things that are sold.”
I call this treason against the people of Michigan!
 

jonnynobody

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Years ago I heard the california dept. of motor vehicles (or whatever the shit their state calls it) was randomly mailing out drivers license suspensions for drivers who were merely identified as medical marijuana patients. It seems like the drafters of these initiatives didn't think things through very thoroughly which leaves me thinking one thing.....wtf.
 

FatMarty

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Now would be a great time to show up on their steps in force and say stop breaking the law pigs!
Too bad we aren't organized worth a shit anymore.

There are 120,000 or more of us - if we put a 1000 bodies in front of ten government buiildings across the State simuletaneously they would listen.
 

SketchyGrower

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or tear gas us.. lol but, your right no one will do shit. Where is our gandhi ? MLK? someone ready to sweep in and lead us all into the light of Revolution...
 

ozzrokk

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Some law enforcement have alot of balls..... This is an outright violation and they sure as hell should know it.
 

bob harris

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This seems pretty vindictive. This is a rouge local chief trying to make a name for himself. Even the State should call bull shit on this guy.
 

Timmahh

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This seems pretty vindictive. This is a rouge local chief trying to make a name for himself. Even the State should call bull shit on this guy.

I can see your coming around bob. a month ago, you would of been singing the praises of this Chief, JUST TRYING TO UPHOLD THE LAW FOLKS....

Now we just need to peel the last few lawyers (should be layers, but it works) of bull shit from infront of your eyes.
 

bob harris

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I can see your coming around bob. a month ago, you would of been singing the praises of this Chief, JUST TRYING TO UPHOLD THE LAW FOLKS....

Now we just need to peel the last few lawyers (should be layers, but it works) of bull shit from infront of your eyes.
No..I would not have. There is no legal or civil purpose to this action. It's purely vindictive. Why do you try so hard to influence others to dislike me? Why do you say I would do things I would not? Afraid of a different point of view at how to achieve the same goal?

I must admit though, it is fun to have you back. You argue like such a girly man....I know, Remeber? I have a homosexual son you like to bash..

Too Bad. You have a lot of conviction and energy. You could actually help the cause if you could channel yourself.
 

Timmahh

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No..I would not have. There is no legal or civil purpose to this action. It's purely vindictive. Why do you try so hard to influence others to dislike me? Why do you say I would do things I would not? Afraid of a different point of view at how to achieve the same goal?

I must admit though, it is fun to have you back. You argue like such a girly man....I know, Remeber? I have a homosexual son you like to bash..

Too Bad. You have a lot of conviction and energy. You could actually help the cause if you could channel yourself.
again with the false comments. Its not my issue your boy is gay. you have the problem, I will support your boys right to be gay if he chooses to. It makes No concern to me your boys choices in life. so long as his civil rights, Freedom, and personal Liberties are as safe as my daughters, my Neices, my Nephews, yours or mine, or any other human.
it is of no concern to me. But if those Liberties, Freedoms and Civil Rights are being Violated, then I will stand up and Shout at the top of my voice about it....

but you on the other hand, have stated you would just go inside and lock the door, and leave you son to the wolves. Well because, the legislation and judiciary and Law is well, just bad, but instead of fixing it, its better to hide inside.
 

Cory and trevor

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A wise man once said "Fuck the police, fuck the police, fuck em'" now that man has acted in "Are we there yet" but still..........
 

Cory and trevor

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Shit, wrong ICE, that's T that's kicking it with cocoa. still, reality show or not "Are we there yet"? and a sequal...so not gangsta! LOL that's my gangsta 30 somthing with keeeids!
 

SketchyGrower

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Hrmmm... I see why Ice is on T.V now


[video=youtube;sShN2FNPMQc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShN2FNPMQc[/video]
 

DaleRoberts

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How do the cops know who has their card? Are these patients that have had to show their card to police to avoid arrest? I'm not clear as to how the cops know what patients to report to the Feds or NICS check? Whats the whole story here?
 
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