DWC Root Slime Cure aka How to Breed Beneficial Microbes

[mr.bond]

Saw this and made me think of this thread.
I was wondering if you can use aqairium external pumps that pump the water through a tray that you can put subtrates in that add beneficials to the water and supply a place for them to live. would the be better than just using lava rocks in the net pot? the reason is because i heard that it is better to have the water level lower to allow arial roots and prevent mold at the stem. but in order to make a place for bacteria to colonize you would need to keep the water always touching the net. Im thinking the FLUVAL filters are cheap and effective.

Bagada, your aquarium pump idea seems a bit overkill for inoculation purposes only, as you would basically be turning your DWC into a RDWC in doing so. I believe you might have the wrong idea, Heisenberg isn't saying to put the lava rocks in the netpot, just down in the rez somewhere where it's always submerged in water. This becomes the constant housing for the beneficials which would then jump to the roots. As a general principle, you do not want the water line always touching the net pot. Keeping it below the netpot prevents your substrate from getting overly saturated and spawning mold around the crown, but the most important reason to do this is because the roots need air to breathe, and airstones provide very little O2 in comparison. I like the pic!

Cheers,
mr.bond

 

[mr.bond]

Hi Heisenburg,

I just wanted to say thank you very much for sharing this info with us, as it saved my patients crops from certain death and allowed the plant to finish a full 10 weeks. I setup this account really to share pics that it worked and to really thank you from the bottom of my heart. I read the entire thread from start to finish and I picked up a lot of good tips. I currently run the entire H&G line and have been for about two years. Everything was hunky dorey until one day I noticed a few gnats coming out of my flowering buckets. Naturally I wanted to head them off at the pass so I happened to have some Azamax and applied it according to the directions in the instructions for Hydro... FATAL ERROR.

Hey Prop215Patient,

Thanks for sharing your phenomenal slime recovery story with us! Judging by that first pic, you got hit pretty bad. I've seen many a plant die from less. Great recovery though, the roots look wonderful at harvest considering the circumstances. That Ancient Forest is the bomb right???? So much diversity in that product, and that is what really shines through on healthy plant growth and battling the slime.

Cheers and thanks again,
mr.bond

 

[bagada]

Bagada, your aquarium pump idea seems a bit overkill for inoculation purposes only, as you would basically be turning your DWC into a RDWC in doing so. I believe you might have the wrong idea, Heisenberg isn't saying to put the lava rocks in the netpot, just down in the rez somewhere where it's always submerged in water. This becomes the constant housing for the beneficials which would then jump to the roots. As a general principle, you do not want the water line always touching the net pot. Keeping it below the netpot prevents your substrate from getting overly saturated and spawning mold around the crown, but the most important reason to do this is because the roots need air to breathe, and airstones provide very little O2 in comparison. I like the pic!

Cheers,
mr.bond

Yah thats what i had in mind....just put the rocks on the bottom of the bucket then no worries about water level. I really like the idea of the under current systems for larger grows. I feel like buying one instead of dealing with the hassle of building one. Ive also been very curious about the debate of using airstones vs submersible pumps...the idea of submersible has always been better in my mind...the only drawback is adding heat which is not good at all. would the benneficials be enough to deal with the heat of the pump?

 

[SmokinLabrador]

Not really. The only real change with those ingredients is to add the ZHO when the tea is almost done brewing.

Sorry if this was clarified earlier, but 159 pages are hard to hunt through What are you defining as "almost done brewing"? 15 minutes? An hour? 6 hours?

Thanks to everyone in this thread. I'm hoping this tea clears up the root rot I've been fighting

 

[sqydro]

hey hiesenberg i was discussing bennies with a mate who is adament that bubbling doesnt remove any chloramines, and these are in our water and harmfull to the bennies, ive only been bubbling mine and using tap water im in the uk, it doesnt seem to have effect and my plants and roots are more than happy my rootball is like a drowned sheep i kid you not lol once i chop these down il get a good pic for you but this was the roots last time i seen them

1 plant also lol

rootball 3 weeks ago, the staining from the canna nutes is why there off white or i think theyd be total white!!

 

[bagada]

NICE...i have also heard from BIGTOKE that tap water is better...and he is a big fan of bennies...he uses bio buckets and his res is float valve directly from a faucet

 

[jubay216]

good day sire im new to the dwc method of growing and would like to know everything about dwc cause i have some good strains awaitng

 

[dbkick]

hey hiesenberg i was discussing bennies with a mate who is adament that bubbling doesnt remove any chloramines, and these are in our water and harmfull to the bennies, ive only been bubbling mine and using tap water im in the uk, it doesnt seem to have effect and my plants and roots are more than happy my rootball is like a drowned sheep i kid you not lol once i chop these down il get a good pic for you but this was the roots last time i seen them

1 plant also lol

rootball 3 weeks ago, the staining from the canna nutes is why there off white or i think theyd be total white!!

I just spent some time researching this and IF your water company does use chloramine your friend is right and it doesn't outgas as easily as straight chlorine. Chloramine is a combination of chlorine and ammonia and can not be out gassed like chlorine. I was reading to removing chloramine you actually add chlorine and then subject the water to UV.

 

[dbkick]

awesome, I looked at your question and forgot what I was gonna ask :/
Nice plants though btw.

 

[Boogey]

I registered on here just to thank you Heisenberg, your tea saved my growing spirit!! I tried bleach and h202 but it kept coming back. And this thread is really good read. Keep it comin guys

 

[dbkick]

So what's the details on adding other kinds of things like bat or seabird guano ? Is there any more of a benefit in adding these to the mix?

 

[dbkick]

actually I'm probably in the wrong section to ask that since I'm mainly inquiring for use in soil. I'm reluctant to put even the ewc tea alone in my hydro system( I do in veg but run flower sterile) but I'm not spending the money on voodoo juice or great white anymore.

 

[urban mite]

read your post having problems in dwc medical licenced grow.found your thread very interesting i have on hand sm-90 and piranha and voodo from an do you thingk that it would be good idea to put in resevoirs until i can produce some tea

 

[dbkick]

somone correct me if I'm wrong but the sm-90 is made to run a sterile res and will possibly kill off your expensive advanced nutrients microbes/fungi.

 

[dbkick]

I'd think the AN products would be better than the brewed tea myself but then I don't know. I've been u sing great white up until soon(about to run out) and haven't brewed a tea for over a year and a half or so. But if you'll read somewhere near the first of this thread heisy talks about not really being any benefit in dwc UNLESS you can't control temps.

 

[dbkick]

if you've got slime now I think the process details are h2o2 and flush as well as possible, maybe wait a while to add bennies since any h2o2 left over will kill them.

 

[dbkick]

I can't get some authority on my questions :/

 

[dbkick]

So, my question would be, if I implement these into the original tea using the same method would this create a standalone base nutrient or what? what would adding these things do and how would it affect the usage?

 

[hellraizer30]

Any of the an organic stuff added with tea spells a disaster

 

[hellraizer30]

if you've got slime now I think the process details are h2o2 and flush as well as possible, maybe wait a while to add bennies since any h2o2 left over will kill them.

my method is drain res clean and bleach then rinse out good, fill up the res add nutes and tea and flood