DJ Short Blueberry Grow by Snafu (all organic)
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Snafu1236
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dante76,
Thanks for coming by! I hope you enjoy what I hope to capture here. You asked a really good question...a loaded one at that. I will do my best to keep it short, so here goes.
I only grow true lines developed by the original breeders.
I wanted to chronicle the original blueberry, so I chose the original breeder.
I feel knockoffs and/or ripoffs, autos or feminized seeds, are bred from the same practice of seeing the dollars over the genetics.
I try not to support these practices by not doing business with the people that support them.
Unfortunately, these practices are permeating the industry these days, so it is hard to get around sometimes.
Thanks for coming by! I hope you enjoy what I hope to capture here. You asked a really good question...a loaded one at that. I will do my best to keep it short, so here goes.
I only grow true lines developed by the original breeders.
I wanted to chronicle the original blueberry, so I chose the original breeder.
I feel knockoffs and/or ripoffs, autos or feminized seeds, are bred from the same practice of seeing the dollars over the genetics.
I try not to support these practices by not doing business with the people that support them.
Unfortunately, these practices are permeating the industry these days, so it is hard to get around sometimes.
dante76
Active Member
very interesting...
How do you know which seed companies offer the best genetics? Is DJ Short pretty reliable in all seeds they carry or just the blueberry strain?
I've been buying seeds based on strain and availability but have no clue as to their authenticity. Just harvested my first plant this year so growing and genetics/strains is very, very new to me.
Have you any thoughts on these seed companies?
BC Bud, Sensei Seeds, Green House, DNA Genetics, World of Seeds.
thanks
How do you know which seed companies offer the best genetics? Is DJ Short pretty reliable in all seeds they carry or just the blueberry strain?
I've been buying seeds based on strain and availability but have no clue as to their authenticity. Just harvested my first plant this year so growing and genetics/strains is very, very new to me.
Have you any thoughts on these seed companies?
BC Bud, Sensei Seeds, Green House, DNA Genetics, World of Seeds.
thanks
Snafu1236
Well-Known Member
I dont want to go by company, but ill list a few here.
Dj short for flo and blueberry, although all of his genetics are good IMO.
Mr nice seeds Black Widow(orig
inal white widow) medicine, man (original white rhino)
TGA genetics/Subcool has been producing some real dank in the past few years.
The Cali Connection by Swerve has some awesomeOGs, i recommend the Tahoe OG and Larry OG.
Dj short for flo and blueberry, although all of his genetics are good IMO.
Mr nice seeds Black Widow(orig
inal white widow) medicine, man (original white rhino)
TGA genetics/Subcool has been producing some real dank in the past few years.
The Cali Connection by Swerve has some awesomeOGs, i recommend the Tahoe OG and Larry OG.
dante76
Active Member
Snafu,
From what i understand blueberry responds really well to topping. Have you any idea how many times a blueberry plant should be topped?
Snafu1236
Well-Known Member
Hey guys, I am working on the weekly update as we speak; things are coming along nicely. I plan on topping them later, and creating clones from the tops. Should be posting it up on RIU after I finish writing a different article for another medium.
However, I did find this article by DJ Short himself, regarding his work and I was especially interested in his description of the differences between True Blueberry and Blueberry.
As taken from icmag.com:
DJ here, finally checking in via Red's cut&paste (Thanks Red).
First, Thank you all for the warm welcome and kind words. Also, thank you to Gypsy Nirvana and Dutchgrown for the forum space and IC mag--beautiful publication there Gypsy. I look forward to meeting you both in person someday; hopefully in the not-too-distant future.
Thank you to: WeedWrapperMan, Sunnyside, hazyfontazy, Dr.D., Grat3fulH3ad, resinryder, mosca negra, Brownpants, hilljack, Rellikbuzz, TORC (your grows/pics Rock!), steel savage, glasspackedbowl, JD2005, OHenry, indicalover, BushyOldGrower, csfraziel, Farmer John, bird, Wrecked, baccas125, EcoNepenthe, flying, trichomefarmer (how's CH treating you? drop a line, eh?), BigToke, DrLongbottom, PhatDaddyNugzYo, guineapig (wiggle-wiggle back atcha!), 3legdog, KYHomegrown, estayapi, KRSJuan, DrawoH, I.M.Boggled, JACKBAYBEH, and whomever I may have missed, thanks for the kind words and warm welcome. Looking forward, indeed.
My apologies for the delay in responding. This will be the norm for me for the next few months as I am in the process of another re-location (I'm sure many of you are familiar with the words to that song all too well, eh?). Very busy and focused on tasks at hand and pokers-in-the-fire as well. Hope to be more "settled" by late-winter/early-spring.
Perhaps someone could cut&paste my catalogue/ratios/selection article here or at least a link to it, as it may answer a number of questions. Thank you.
Re: True Blueberry (TB) v. Blueberry (BB) differences--here's my view: The TB is more akin (literally closer related to) my past European offerings but from a much larger selection pool that I had more input toward. It (TB) tends to be larger (taller) and a bit more productive than the BB. The BB line that I have offered for the past 7-8 years is from different f3 stock than the TB (yet still related as all of my stock is from similar ancestry). I call her (the BB) a "stretch-indica" in that she does like to stretch her nodes, but her buds are very compact with larger calyx structure ("golf-ball buds"); whereas the TB buds are generally composed of smaller calyx (more slender, "pointy") yet still with a very dense bud structure ("spade-shaped" with some foxtail stretch) on an indica-looking plant. The BB palate is a more "syrupy sweet", fruity smell (more like candy-sweet) while the TB has a higher-nasal palate with astringent/anise undertones (more of a sinus tickle w/ the bud and smoke flavor). I find the TB to be more "heady", almost racy at first, whereas the BB tends to be more body/narcotic in its initial rush and stone duration. Mind you, there is a "range" to both and the above descriptions are in terms of probability and not exclusive to either strain. That is, there is a higher probability of finding a plant w/ small calyx, tight buds with astringent/anise/berry flavor and a more "up-head" in the TB line, and a higher probability of finding a plant with the "stretch-indica" pheno with dense, golf-ball buds and a more candy/berry flavor/palate and a more narcotic (though not really couch-lock) body in the BB line. Both are equally prone to color changes, especially in colder temps, and I find both to be equally potent. Please note; the BB (and the flo and Blue Moonshine) stock is currently limited and not being reproduced for at least a year or two. So, if you want any of these, heads up! Get them soon as they will will be gone and out of stock for awhile when they are.
Re: Grape Krush (GK) topping--by all means, topping is one of the best ways to physically increase production. It all depends on timing and the type of system that one employs. Because different systems (i.e. light timing, veg. time, nutes, etc.) have different results, use your intuition to best gauge the best time to top. Personally, I prefer a longer veg. time with more root volume, which would put the best topping time prior to the flower cycle.
Re: Moonshine of the Blue variety--nice pics Chuckyoufarley--the purple stems do look sweet--how do they smell when rubbed? Also, 5-gal buckets with soil! Way to go! Good luck and keep us posted, eh?
Re: Choice--f13 is my current fave--a luxurious head, to say the least. Somewhat more subtle and mellow I find. All depends on your preference, really.
Re: LUI -- this one is Red's baby and he is more qualified to answer this one.
Re: Sassy-Frass This is one of Chimera's strains and he would be best suited to answer this question. He does have a help desk at cannabisworld, or perhaps he'll respond here.
Hope this helps.
Thanks once again one and all. Looking forward. Much peace, love and prosperity to you and yours.
dj
ciao, amigos!
However, I did find this article by DJ Short himself, regarding his work and I was especially interested in his description of the differences between True Blueberry and Blueberry.
As taken from icmag.com:
DJ here, finally checking in via Red's cut&paste (Thanks Red).
First, Thank you all for the warm welcome and kind words. Also, thank you to Gypsy Nirvana and Dutchgrown for the forum space and IC mag--beautiful publication there Gypsy. I look forward to meeting you both in person someday; hopefully in the not-too-distant future.
Thank you to: WeedWrapperMan, Sunnyside, hazyfontazy, Dr.D., Grat3fulH3ad, resinryder, mosca negra, Brownpants, hilljack, Rellikbuzz, TORC (your grows/pics Rock!), steel savage, glasspackedbowl, JD2005, OHenry, indicalover, BushyOldGrower, csfraziel, Farmer John, bird, Wrecked, baccas125, EcoNepenthe, flying, trichomefarmer (how's CH treating you? drop a line, eh?), BigToke, DrLongbottom, PhatDaddyNugzYo, guineapig (wiggle-wiggle back atcha!), 3legdog, KYHomegrown, estayapi, KRSJuan, DrawoH, I.M.Boggled, JACKBAYBEH, and whomever I may have missed, thanks for the kind words and warm welcome. Looking forward, indeed.
My apologies for the delay in responding. This will be the norm for me for the next few months as I am in the process of another re-location (I'm sure many of you are familiar with the words to that song all too well, eh?). Very busy and focused on tasks at hand and pokers-in-the-fire as well. Hope to be more "settled" by late-winter/early-spring.
Perhaps someone could cut&paste my catalogue/ratios/selection article here or at least a link to it, as it may answer a number of questions. Thank you.
Re: True Blueberry (TB) v. Blueberry (BB) differences--here's my view: The TB is more akin (literally closer related to) my past European offerings but from a much larger selection pool that I had more input toward. It (TB) tends to be larger (taller) and a bit more productive than the BB. The BB line that I have offered for the past 7-8 years is from different f3 stock than the TB (yet still related as all of my stock is from similar ancestry). I call her (the BB) a "stretch-indica" in that she does like to stretch her nodes, but her buds are very compact with larger calyx structure ("golf-ball buds"); whereas the TB buds are generally composed of smaller calyx (more slender, "pointy") yet still with a very dense bud structure ("spade-shaped" with some foxtail stretch) on an indica-looking plant. The BB palate is a more "syrupy sweet", fruity smell (more like candy-sweet) while the TB has a higher-nasal palate with astringent/anise undertones (more of a sinus tickle w/ the bud and smoke flavor). I find the TB to be more "heady", almost racy at first, whereas the BB tends to be more body/narcotic in its initial rush and stone duration. Mind you, there is a "range" to both and the above descriptions are in terms of probability and not exclusive to either strain. That is, there is a higher probability of finding a plant w/ small calyx, tight buds with astringent/anise/berry flavor and a more "up-head" in the TB line, and a higher probability of finding a plant with the "stretch-indica" pheno with dense, golf-ball buds and a more candy/berry flavor/palate and a more narcotic (though not really couch-lock) body in the BB line. Both are equally prone to color changes, especially in colder temps, and I find both to be equally potent. Please note; the BB (and the flo and Blue Moonshine) stock is currently limited and not being reproduced for at least a year or two. So, if you want any of these, heads up! Get them soon as they will will be gone and out of stock for awhile when they are.
Re: Grape Krush (GK) topping--by all means, topping is one of the best ways to physically increase production. It all depends on timing and the type of system that one employs. Because different systems (i.e. light timing, veg. time, nutes, etc.) have different results, use your intuition to best gauge the best time to top. Personally, I prefer a longer veg. time with more root volume, which would put the best topping time prior to the flower cycle.
Re: Moonshine of the Blue variety--nice pics Chuckyoufarley--the purple stems do look sweet--how do they smell when rubbed? Also, 5-gal buckets with soil! Way to go! Good luck and keep us posted, eh?
Re: Choice--f13 is my current fave--a luxurious head, to say the least. Somewhat more subtle and mellow I find. All depends on your preference, really.
Re: LUI -- this one is Red's baby and he is more qualified to answer this one.
Re: Sassy-Frass This is one of Chimera's strains and he would be best suited to answer this question. He does have a help desk at cannabisworld, or perhaps he'll respond here.
Hope this helps.
Thanks once again one and all. Looking forward. Much peace, love and prosperity to you and yours.
dj
ciao, amigos!
Snafu1236
Well-Known Member
Grow Journal
11/20/11
DJ Short Blueberry
11/20/11 Summary
***This grow is now updated every Sunday***
I just finished topping them all, and used the tops as clones. I mixed up my own cloning solution of Azos from RTI.
This is the main ingredient:
Mixed with distilled water.I then take 2 teaspoons of Azos to 1 quart of water and make a rooter drenching station. I drench the Rooters for 10 minutes.
Making a 45 degree angled cut, I then place the cutting into a thicker solution of Azos. Two TBSP of water to 3 TBSP of Azos.
After the cuttings have been taken, rolled in the Azos solution, they are labeled and put into the cloning chamber. I expect roots by next Sunday, if not sooner.
These will be in an 80%RH environment at 75F until they show roots. Once rooted, they will be put into 1 gal Smart Pots w/ Roots Organic and flowered to determine sex of the first generation. I will also be able to get an idea of the phenotypes I will be working with.
11/20/11
DJ Short Blueberry
11/20/11 Summary
***This grow is now updated every Sunday***
- 5 DJ Short Blueberry Plants sprouted from seed on 10/30/11; Today is Day 21 from seed
- All Organic
I just finished topping them all, and used the tops as clones. I mixed up my own cloning solution of Azos from RTI.
This is the main ingredient:
Mixed with distilled water.I then take 2 teaspoons of Azos to 1 quart of water and make a rooter drenching station. I drench the Rooters for 10 minutes.
Making a 45 degree angled cut, I then place the cutting into a thicker solution of Azos. Two TBSP of water to 3 TBSP of Azos.
After the cuttings have been taken, rolled in the Azos solution, they are labeled and put into the cloning chamber. I expect roots by next Sunday, if not sooner.
These will be in an 80%RH environment at 75F until they show roots. Once rooted, they will be put into 1 gal Smart Pots w/ Roots Organic and flowered to determine sex of the first generation. I will also be able to get an idea of the phenotypes I will be working with.
Snafu1236
Well-Known Member
Grow Journal
11/20/11
DJ Short Blueberry
11/20/11 Summary
A view of Blueberry #1-5. Notice the white spots...this is the CalCarb and is entirely beneficial.
Blueberry #1-5 will be displayed in three photos of each. The first one is the pre-top, the second is the side shot, and the third is the post-top picture. All of them have been topped after the second node to induce a quad-cola structure.
Blueberry #1
After topping:
Blueberry #2
After topping:
Blueberry #3
After topping:
Blueberry #4
After topping:
Blueberry #5
After topping:
Before and after lineup shots.
Before:
After:
Can't wait for them to fill in, I always hate the look of them after topping.
11/20/11
DJ Short Blueberry
11/20/11 Summary
A view of Blueberry #1-5. Notice the white spots...this is the CalCarb and is entirely beneficial.
Blueberry #1-5 will be displayed in three photos of each. The first one is the pre-top, the second is the side shot, and the third is the post-top picture. All of them have been topped after the second node to induce a quad-cola structure.
Blueberry #1
After topping:
Blueberry #2
After topping:
Blueberry #3
After topping:
Blueberry #4
After topping:
Blueberry #5
After topping:
Before and after lineup shots.
Before:
After:
Can't wait for them to fill in, I always hate the look of them after topping.
mr. green thumb 01
New Member
I get those white spots sometimes lately...they look like dried calcium from water or something. They are only on some of the younger ones in my garden and its kind of like a flakey white spot that you can brush off with your hand. Can you elaborate a little more about these "calcarb" depositis or whatever they are. You said this is a good thing?
Wolverine97
Well-Known Member
It's a "good thing" for him, because he's using a product called CalCarb which leaves a residue. What you're describing sounds like powdery mildew, most definitely not a "good thing".
mr. green thumb 01
New Member
Thanks for your input but I know what powdery mildew is and no its not powdery milder its crusty and hard like I said.. like water calcium. .could be from the new cal products I have been using or the whole new nute line I tried out. Anyhow... not really worried about it at all just was looking for some more input on the subject from Snafu.
Snafu1236
Well-Known Member
Hello,
Wolverine is right... I am using CalCarb from Xtreme Gardening, it leaves a beneficial white residue.
It could be anything...mildew, hard water(calcium deposits), etc.
Msg me your rundown of your grow and ill take a look for you.
Snafu1236
Well-Known Member
Hey guys...update will be coming this Sunday. The Blueberries have sprung back from their topping, and have continued into their vegetative state. The clones seem to be responding well, and all look healthy and perky.
Since no Blueberry bud shots yet, I figured I would show off the Purple Maroc in my flowering tent...it started to exhibit purple hues on some of the terminal fan leaves. So not to confuse with the Blueberry plants, the Purple Maroc thread can be found here Purple Maroc in Organics Forum.
My Vanilla Kush is beginning to exhibit bluish hues, something I have never seen with any previous VK phenotypes IME. That log can be found here
Since no Blueberry bud shots yet, I figured I would show off the Purple Maroc in my flowering tent...it started to exhibit purple hues on some of the terminal fan leaves. So not to confuse with the Blueberry plants, the Purple Maroc thread can be found here Purple Maroc in Organics Forum.
My Vanilla Kush is beginning to exhibit bluish hues, something I have never seen with any previous VK phenotypes IME. That log can be found here
Snafu1236
Well-Known Member
Grow Journal
11/27/11
DJ Short Blueberry from Seed
11/27/11 Summary
***This grow is updated every Sunday***
Hello everyone!
Another Sunday, another update. Last week I topped all the plants right after the second node. This slowed them down this week for a few days. They all recovered nicely a few days ago, and I have seen 2-3" of new growth since topping. This week I watered a small solution of Hygrozyme, Roots Excel, Molasses and Sea Kelp. The Sea Kelp and Hygrozyme are great tools to use to aid plants recovery from stress. I also top-dressed them with a Roots Organic and Alaskan Forest Humus mix....about an inch.
The clones I have taken have not showed any signs of root growth. The clones are all perky and upright, with no signs of yellowing on the leaf tips.
Group Shots:
Bottom Left: Blueberry 1
Top Left: Blueberry 2
Top Right: Blueberry 4
Bottom Right: Blueberry 3
Middle: Blueberry 5
Blueberry 1
Blueberry 2
Blueberry 3
Blueberry 4
Blueberry #5
Some new foliage shots...also an excuse for me to mess around with some photography skills..or lack thereof:
11/27/11
DJ Short Blueberry from Seed
11/27/11 Summary
***This grow is updated every Sunday***
- 5 DJ Short Blueberry Plants sprouted from seed on 10/30/11; Today is Day 28 from seed.
- All Organic
Hello everyone!
Another Sunday, another update. Last week I topped all the plants right after the second node. This slowed them down this week for a few days. They all recovered nicely a few days ago, and I have seen 2-3" of new growth since topping. This week I watered a small solution of Hygrozyme, Roots Excel, Molasses and Sea Kelp. The Sea Kelp and Hygrozyme are great tools to use to aid plants recovery from stress. I also top-dressed them with a Roots Organic and Alaskan Forest Humus mix....about an inch.
The clones I have taken have not showed any signs of root growth. The clones are all perky and upright, with no signs of yellowing on the leaf tips.
Group Shots:
Bottom Left: Blueberry 1
Top Left: Blueberry 2
Top Right: Blueberry 4
Bottom Right: Blueberry 3
Middle: Blueberry 5
Blueberry 1
Blueberry 2
Blueberry 3
Blueberry 4
Blueberry #5
Some new foliage shots...also an excuse for me to mess around with some photography skills..or lack thereof: