Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas
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smokey mcsmokester
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Hey Ub, I topped my ladies 2 days ago after they had grown 5 nodes.. I topped them to get 4 mains... Tonight I noticed the new growth is folding in half upward like a v... Is this normal? I wouldn't know being I've never topped my plants before and never had this problem... There not completely folded in half but id say at least 1/4 of the way... Im also seeing what appears to be a purple color on the new growth that hasn't opened yet... Im using ff oceans forest mixed with happy frog in 5 gallon buckets feeding them 3 teaspoons of grow big and 2 tbls of big bloom every other watering which is once a week... They are 2 1/2 weeks old and Ive fed them twice, the last time was the day before I topped them....Just figured I would give you my rundown in case it's something else....Thanks...
nick17gar
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yea this shit works. i tried topping for the first time this go around, tried above and below the node. got some with 4 and some with 2 colas. i prefer the 4 cola method.
-i should add, the ones with 4 colas, goes thru water a lot faster then the ones with 2. anyone else notice this?
-i should add, the ones with 4 colas, goes thru water a lot faster then the ones with 2. anyone else notice this?
Uncle Ben
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Has nothing to do with my topping method. You've got a moisture stress problem brought on by your culture --> ".....Im using ff oceans forest mixed with happy frog in 5 gallon buckets feeding them 3 teaspoons of grow big and 2 tbls of big bloom every"
You're literally gonna force them, to death, with the application of too much salts. Also, what's with the Big Bloom stuff? If you haven't fried the plants by now you're sure set yourself for premature leaf drop. Pick up a book on indoor plant culture and nutrition and learn a bit of botanical common sense.....which isn't found in cannabis forums BTW.
What's the final NPK values that the plant sees or are you feeding them those fertilizers cause you like the label name or someone here recommended the product?
Good luck,
UB
Uncle Ben
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Of course it's gonna go thru more water, there's more leaf mass.
smokey mcsmokester
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I figured it had nothing to do with it....This is the feeding schedule I've been following
"https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/164183-fox-farm-feeding-schedule.html"
The grow big is 6-4-4 and the big bloom is 0.01-0.3-0.7...
After reading a bit (after feeding them) (doh) about the salts in the foods, I knew this was the problem.... Good thing is this has only happened to 4 out of my 9 plants... Im thinking of holding off from feeding them for at least 2 or 3 weeks.. I thank you sir for all your words of wisdom and taking the time to help me out...Ive never had these issues with my other grows because Ive never used thes organic nutes.... What do you reccomend for a feed schedule... Thanks again UB....
Uncle Ben
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Sorry, I have no feeding schedule for you as botany can not be painted with a black and a white brush. Nothing you have or are doing would be the same as mine.
What you have to do is include the salts in the soil with everything else. As I said in my Moisture Stress link leaf rolling or cupping is a plant's response to moisture stress brought on by a saline condition at the roots.
fatboyOGOF
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i haven't topped since the 90s, but i got curious about having 4 main colas. i have some afghani #1s going and those woody things don't take to tying down. i like the way they look and they are definatly less work than tieing them down a few times. i topped a few ssh clones too. i'm curious to see the yeild of the topped clones (all have 3 main branches) vs the tied down clones (which have 5 or more smaller mains). thanks ben! 
this one has 4 main brances but 2 of them are much smaller.
the girls!
this one has 4 main brances but 2 of them are much smaller.
the girls!
Uncle Ben
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Those are really nice looking plants. Curious, I see some over lapping of the leaves but is it consistent across all plants? Also, are you getting a strong skunk smell?i haven't topped since the 90s, but i got curious about having 4 main colas. i have some afghani #1s going and those woody things don't take to tying down. i like the way they look and they are definatly less work than tieing them down a few times. i topped a few ssh clones too. i'm curious to see the yeild of the topped clones (all have 3 main branches) vs the tied down clones (which have 5 or more smaller mains). thanks ben!
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this one has 4 main brances but 2 of them are much smaller.
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the girls!
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fatboyOGOF
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thanks! i'm pretty happy with them. healthy and happy!
i'm not sure what you're asking about over lapping! if you're asking about the crowded conditions, yes, my grows are usually very crowded and i always have leaves covering up other leaves. i move the pots every watering. usually. ok sometimes! it's my messy, lazy, growing style! got any suggestions?
i haven't smelled them yet. they are about 5 days into flower and a good 3 inches taller.
the down side is, i know the biggest and most beautiful are males! they are always males!
fatboyOGOF
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i was looking up something and found this on something called lapping. i'm too high to grasp this at the moment. i think this is saying that the plants should be close enough to ensure the leaves overlap a bit.
Most experienced farmers and crop advisers recognize that if plants are not “lapping in the middles” by the flowering stage, yields will be reduced. What this means is the canopy has not closed because leaf area has not developed properly to maximize the capture of sunlight. For many crops, the leaf area index (LAI)—the ratio of leaf area to land surface area—should be above 3.0 to 5.0 at flowering to achieve good yields. Plant population is a key factor in achieving the optimum leaf area growth rate. So, both row width and the number of plants per foot of row must be optimized to achieve high yields.
http://www.ipni.net/ppiweb/agbrief.nsf/5a4b8be72a35cd46852568d9001a18da/2e5ad0e16f8a463885256d970065ee4f!OpenDocument
Most experienced farmers and crop advisers recognize that if plants are not “lapping in the middles” by the flowering stage, yields will be reduced. What this means is the canopy has not closed because leaf area has not developed properly to maximize the capture of sunlight. For many crops, the leaf area index (LAI)—the ratio of leaf area to land surface area—should be above 3.0 to 5.0 at flowering to achieve good yields. Plant population is a key factor in achieving the optimum leaf area growth rate. So, both row width and the number of plants per foot of row must be optimized to achieve high yields.
http://www.ipni.net/ppiweb/agbrief.nsf/5a4b8be72a35cd46852568d9001a18da/2e5ad0e16f8a463885256d970065ee4f!OpenDocument
Uncle Ben
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Real indicas will have wide overlapping leaves as opposed to narrow leaves of a sativa. Indicas also have a skunk smell. I grew some Sag indica doms that smelt so skunky you could smell 'em getting out of your car at my driveway, and the house was sealed tight. If you can't smell them, they aint indica. Attached is such a plant, a Peak19 male that I used for breeding. Notice the large leafsets at the bottom. They are as big as dinner plates with wide overlapping leaves. BTW, this plant is only 3 weeks old from the time the seeds popped the soil's surface.thanks! i'm pretty happy with them. healthy and happy!
i'm not sure what you're asking about over lapping! if you're asking about the crowded conditions, yes, my grows are usually very crowded and i always have leaves covering up other leaves. i move the pots every watering. usually. ok sometimes! it's my messy, lazy, growing style! got any suggestions?
i haven't smelled them yet. they are about 5 days into flower and a good 3 inches taller.
the down side is, i know the biggest and most beautiful are males! they are always males!
cheddar1985
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Ub not all indica dom plants smell skunky sum yes but not all !! Nice lookin male btw wot did u throw at it?
fatboyOGOF
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SWEET JESUS! 3 WEEKS? how many goats did you have to sacrifice? what a beauty!
mine are definately indicaish leaves. much broader than my sativa/indica crosses. i never knew about the leaf overlapping of indicas! each fan leaf of my afghanis is directly over the one below it. the leaves on my ssh (sativaish pheno) do not do this. i'm assuming that's what you mean.
my afghani #1 came from sensi seeds back in the 90s. their verbiage on it says that it's a pure indica. it also mentions that it has no skunk in it! it could be all bullshit for all i know!
i've never had a genetic with dinner plate sized leafs but i keep looking!
Uncle Ben
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1 goat and my wife's Wednesday bridge game.
No. In a leafset you have so many leaves, right? Those leaves are so wide, broad, that they overlap each other in that leafset. The leaves start out "narrow" when young and as they mature they widen such that one leaf overlaps the other.
That one (Peak19) came from Sagamartha back in the 80's. Believe it's Matanuska Thunderfuck X Colombian.my afghani #1 came from sensi seeds back in the 90s. their verbiage on it says that it's a pure indica. it also mentions that it has no skunk in it! it could be all bullshit for all i know!
i've never had a genetic with dinner plate sized leafs but i keep looking!
The first Skunk #1 had Mexican X Colombian crossed with afghani. The photos in the first post are the Original Sensi Skunk.
Uncle Ben
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Ya done good!I saw a copy cat thread and just posted this thank you pic there; thought I'd also post here for you to see.
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This baby gave me 3.44.
Samwell Seed Well
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very nice UB and wrecks also looking very nice, i just started topping early
i know the plant looks like shit UB but what do you think of the topping ive done should i top it agian before its transferred to its final 7g pot
i know the plant looks like shit UB but what do you think of the topping ive done should i top it agian before its transferred to its final 7g pot
nitro harley
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I grow an indica alot like what you got going there....It has such a strong skunky smell I have to be careful where I smoke it....At two weeks we had leaves that were 12" accross....I cut some of them off so light could get into the bush... ...The pic with the tape measure was at 2 weeks...the rest are 3 weeks....from clones not seeds...
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