Why Leftists Will Never Understand

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Jack Fate

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Americans across the country solemnly and fittingly commemorated the worst attack on our country in any of our lifetimes. We held moments of silence; we once again stared in horror at the pictures of the Twin Towers coming down; we remembered the sacrifices of those we lost on that terrible day, and the sacrifices of those who have laid down their lives to prevent another day like that from occurring again.

And yet there is a strange disconnect between how we felt on 9-11 and how we feel today. On 9-11, as we watched our fellow Americans leaping from hundreds of stories to their deaths, as we watched symbols of our might in flaming ruins, we felt conflicting emotions: frustration, unbearable grief. We also felt connected with one another on a visceral level. The overwhelming feeling of unity we felt came from a deep and abiding conviction that our republic was worth defending.I’m not sure some liberals ever understood that. That is why Paul Krugman​, for instance, devoted his 10th anniversary column to demeaning the leadership of President George W. Bush and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani in the aftermath of the attacks:

“What happened after 9/11 — and I think even people on the right know this, whether they admit it or not — was deeply shameful. Te [sic] atrocity should have been a unifying event, but instead it became a wedge issue. Fake heroes like Bernie Kerik​, Rudy Giuliani, and, yes, George W. Bush raced to cash in on the horror. And then the attack was used to justify an unrelated war the neocons wanted to fight, for all the wrong reasons. A lot of other people behaved badly. How many of our professional pundits — people who should have understood very well what was happening — took the easy way out, turning a blind eye to the corruption and lending their support to the hijacking of the atrocity? The memory of 9/11 has been irrevocably poisoned; it has become an occasion for shame. And in its heart, the nation knows it.”

This is absurd. But it is not an uncommon view from the left. In the aftermath of an attack on America, the liberals’ ideal of unity emphasized self doubt over strength and vengeance. Paul Krugman, in Michael Moore fashion, thinks that the aftermath of 9-11 was “shameful” because Americans took out the bad guys but left the real bad guys – our president and vice president – in power. What is truly shameful about his piece is that Krugman is serious.

On Saturday, President Obama urged Americans to reclaim the unity they felt on 9-11 – but what sort of unity does Obama have in mind? According to the President, on September 11, “Americans came together in candlelight vigils, in our houses of worship and on the steps of the U.S. Capitol. Volunteers lined up to give blood and drove across the country to lend a hand. Schoolchildren donated their savings. Communities, faith groups and businesses collected food and clothing. We were united, as Americans. This is the true spirit of America we must reclaim this anniversary — the ordinary goodness and patriotism of the American people and the unity that we needed to move forward together, as one nation.”

True, but every nation comes together in the wake of tragedy. Every nation passes the hat for those who are maimed and the families of those who die; every nation holds candlelight vigils and urges schoolchildren to donate their savings.The key to the American response to 9-11 is that it only partly about death and grieving. It was also about Americans recognizing for the first time in a generation that the American way of life is not everyone’s way of life and that there are people out there who seek to destroy our freedom and liberty each and every day. And it was a reminder that we have to come together as a nation to protect one another – and those values.

Many liberals will never understand that. President Obama’s op-ed never mentioned freedom or liberty. Paul Krugman never even thought of it. For them, 9-11 was a sad occurrence, to be sure, but it was not a moral call to recognize the evil that exists in the world and to fight it. That is why the chances of another 9-11 rise dramatically each time liberals take control of our terror-fighting infrastructure. They do not understand that freedom and liberty are worth defending, and they do not understand the nature of those we fight.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/09/13/what-leftists-will-never-understand/

 

mame

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lol, the right really isn't going to give up about that Krugman post are they? Seriously, who thinks we should be in Iraq? Anyone?

Also, the article's author is obviously a war monger:
a moral call to recognize the evil that exists in the world and to fight it. That is why the chances of another 9-11 rise dramatically each time liberals take control of our terror-fighting infrastructure. They do not understand that freedom and liberty are worth defending, and they do not understand the nature of those we fight.
A "moral call" to fight the evil? What is this, the crusades? Imperialism is not national defense, this is one of the few issues I believe Ron Paul has 100% correct - but it seems the rest of the GOP still thinks invading people's countries somehow wont piss them off. You know, if we didn't have so many bases in so many countries I bet we wouldn't have so many countries pissed off at us... What do you think?
 

Jack Fate

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lol, the right really isn't going to give up about that Krugman post are they? Seriously, who thinks we should be in Iraq? Anyone?

Also, the article's author is obviously a war mongerer:

A "moral call" to fight the evil? What is this, the crusades? Imperialism is not national defense, this is one of the few issues I believe Ron Paul has 100% correct - but it seems the rest of the GOP still thinks invading people's countries somehow wont piss them off. You know, if we didn't have so many bases in so many countries I bet we wouldn't have so many countries pissed off at us... What do you think?
LOL.......Thanks for proving the OP's point. That's what I think.
 

mame

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We are defending democracy and freedom. Anyone here want to live in a muslim nation? I didn't think so.
oohhhhh, I get it... You're a war monger, too; No wonder you agree with this guy.

edit: tell me, how did the invasion and occupation of Iraq help our country? Are we more safe? Did we find weapons of mass destruction?
 

Jack Fate

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Care to elaborate?
Where do I begin?

I think the attack on 9/11 was pure evil. Our response was an attack on that evil. Saddam was evil and our response to his behavior was appropriate. Iran is an evil regime and the leaders need to be taken out and never allowed to build a nuke. Islamism is evil and needs to be destroyed like nazism and communism and every other "ism" that is destructive to individual freedom.

If you can keep it direct to those points and forget about the "Crusades" and "imperialist" rhetoric, we can have a discussion. Your turn.
 

mame

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Where do I begin?

I think the attack on 9/11 was pure evil. Our response was an attack on that evil. Saddam was evil and our response to his behavior was appropriate. Iran is an evil regime and the leaders need to be taken out and never allowed to build a nuke.

If you can keep it direct to those points and forget about the "Crusades" and "imperialist" rhetoric, we can have a discussion. Your turn.
Saddam didn't cause 9/11(that was Osama) and didn't have any nukes; Sure, he was a terrible man - but how was that our problem again? Oh yeah, Bush Jr. wanted to make his daddy proud... :lol:
Islamism is evil and needs to be destroyed like nazism and communism and every other "ism" that is destructive to individual freedom.
Lol, I almost missed this one... Islam is one of the most popular religions on the planet - nearly 1 in 4 people on the entire planet are muslim... Are they all evil? Do they deserve to be compared to nazis or communists?
 

Jack Fate

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Saddam didn't cause 9/11(that was Osama) and didn't have any nukes; Sure, he was a terrible man - but how was that our problem again? Oh yeah, Bush Jr. wanted to make his daddy proud... :lol:
"Bush Jr. wanted to make his daddy proud".........

That's what I mean by needless rhetoric. Stuff like that doesn't contribute to a serious discussion. If you want to seriously discuss this, then please stick to the point. Thanks.

Saddam was a supporter and contributor to terrorism. The attack on 9/11 changed our policy from one of containment to one of confrontation. We were still at war with Iraq and Saddam was not living up to his end of the agreement to the cease fire. He needed to be taken out. The issue of WMDs was used as an excuse, but we really didn't need one since we already had one by his invasion of Kuwait and the fact he was still being agressive. He was still supporting suicide bombings into Israel by paying families of suicide bombers $25,000. Now the focus is on Iran. Everyone has tried to talk to them and no one has been successful, even Obama.
 

mame

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"Bush Jr. wanted to make his daddy proud".........

That's what I mean by needless rhetoric. Stuff like that doesn't contribute to a serious discussion. If you want to seriously discuss this, then please stick to the point. Thanks.

Saddam was a supporter and contributor to terrorism. The attack on 9/11 changed our policy from one of containment to one of confrontation. We were still at war with Iraq and Saddam was not living up to his end of the agreement to the cease fire. He needed to be taken out. The issue of WMDs was used as an excuse, but we really didn't need one since we already had one by his invasion of Kuwait and the fact he was still being agressive. He was still supporting suicide bombings into Israel by paying families of suicide bombers $25,000. Now the focus is on Iran. Everyone has tried to talk to them and no one has been successful, even Obama.
You dont have a problem with that?
 

smokebros

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Politics is like religion. It is almost impossible to change the other persons POV.

Once more people understand that our system is run Top to Bottom and not a Left and Right Paradigm we will make progress, until then sigh.
 

Jack Fate

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You dont have a problem with that?
Nope. Democrats were saying Saddam had WMDs and were in favor of regime change even before Bush became President. After 9/11 there was support from Dems and Repubs for the invasion. I can show you some quotes if you want.
 

redivider

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show me the quotes!!!

haha..

BTW, it was a Democrat who killed the man who supposedly ordered 9/11 to happen.

NEVER EVER FORGET THAT.
 

mame

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Nope. Democrats were saying Saddam had WMDs and were in favor of regime change even before Bush became President. After 9/11 there was support from Dems and Repubs for the invasion. I can show you some quotes if you want.
I dont care who supported the invasion, if it wasn't the American people (without being lied to) than it shouldn't have happened... And IDK about where you live but here in P-town you'd be hard pressed to find someone in favor of the Iraq war. I'm sure politicians on both sides of the aisle have engaged in war mongering but that doesn't make it right... The fact is, the people were lied to as a pretense for war... That's some pretty fucked up shit IMO.
 

FlyLikeAnEagle

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Where do I begin?

I think the attack on 9/11 was pure evil. Our response was an attack on that evil. Saddam was evil and our response to his behavior was appropriate. Iran is an evil regime and the leaders need to be taken out and never allowed to build a nuke. Islamism is evil and needs to be destroyed like nazism and communism and every other "ism" that is destructive to individual freedom.

If you can keep it direct to those points and forget about the "Crusades" and "imperialist" rhetoric, we can have a discussion. Your turn.
Who has killed more people throughout history? Christians or Muslims? ALL religion is evil, the sooner the world understands this the better off it will be.
 

FlyLikeAnEagle

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
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