The Cancer of Regulation

Mr Neutron

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Politicians care about poor people. I know because they always say that. But then why do they make it so hard for the poor to escape poverty?

Outside my office in New York City, I see yellow taxis. It's intuitive to think that government should license taxis to make sure they're safe and to limit their number. It's intuitive to believe that if anyone could just start picking up passengers, we'd have chaos. So to operate a taxi in NYC, you have to buy a license, a "medallion," from an existing cab company (or at a once-in-a-blue-moon auction). Medallions are so scarce, they now cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Licensing prices poor people out of the business.

"Compare New York City, where a license to own and operate a taxi is $603,000, to Washington, D.C.," George Mason University economist Walter Williams told me. "There are not many black-owned taxis in New York City. But in Washington, most are owned by blacks." Why? Because in Washington, "it takes $200 to get a license to own and operate one taxi. That makes the difference."

Regulation hurts the people the politicians claim to help.

People once just went into business. But now, in the name of "consumer protection," bureaucrats insist on licensing rules. Today, hundreds of occupations require expensive licenses. Tough luck for a poor person getting started.

Ask Jestina Clayton. Ten years ago, she moved from Africa to Utah. She assumed she could support her children with the hair-braiding skills she learned in Sierra Leone. For four years, she braided hair in her home. She made decent money. But then the government shut her down because she doesn't have an expensive cosmetology license that requires 2,000 hours of classroom time — 50 weeks of useless instruction. The Institute for Justice (IJ), the public-interest law firm that fights such outrages, says "not one of those 2,000 hours teaches African hair-braiding."

IJ lawyer Paul Avelar explained that "the state passed a really broad law and left it to the cosmetology board to interpret."

Guess who sits on the cosmetology board. Right: cosmetologists.


And they don't like competition.
One day, Jestina received an email.

"The email threatened to report me to the licensing division if I continued to braid," she told me.

This came as a shock because she had been told that what she was doing was legal.

"When I called (the commission) in 2005 on two separate occasions, they did tell me that, but then when I called (again) ... the cosmetology lady told me that the situation had changed and that I needed to go to school now and get a license."

No customers complained, but a competitor did.

One cosmetologist claimed that if she didn't go to school she might make someone bald.

But this is nonsense — hair-braiding is just ... braiding. If the braid is too tight, you can undo it.

The cosmetology board told Jestina that if she wanted to braid hair without paying $18,000 to get permission from the board, she should lobby the legislature. Good luck with that. Jestina actually tried, but no luck. How can poor people become entrepreneurs if they must get laws changed first?! Jestina stopped working because she can't afford the fines.

"The first offense is $1,000," she said. "The second offense and any subsequent offense is $2,000 each day."

"It is not unique to Utah," Avelar added. "There are about 10 states that explicitly require people to go get this expensive, useless license to braid hair."

Fortunately, IJ's efforts against such laws have succeeded in seven states. Now it's in court fighting for Jestina, which, appropriately, means "justice" in her native language.

Once upon a time, one in 20 workers needed government permission to work in their occupation. Today, it's one in three. We lose some freedom every day.

"Occupational licensing laws fall hardest on minorities, on poor, on elderly workers who want to start a new career or change careers," Avelar said. "(Licensing laws) just help entrenched businesses keep out competition."

This is not what America was supposed to be.

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Ernst

Well-Known Member
This is a great thread.

The Stratification of economic classes is obvious with our last 35 years of American history or so.

So we are linked to an Uber Class of plutocratic and organized wealth where the corporate political power is increasing exponentially.

So Do we separate so we can grow once again or will we be drug along as the "work force" we exploit?

We have a separation of Church and State but not a separation of Private Banks and Public Wealth.
I would argue that we have no future except high tech slavery with the rise of Corporate and plutocratic control of our World economics and our local politics through unlimited political funding.

We have a problem.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Politicians care about poor people. I know because they always say that. But then why do they make it so hard for the poor to escape poverty?

Outside my office in New York City, I see yellow taxis. It's intuitive to think that government should license taxis to make sure they're safe and to limit their number. It's intuitive to believe that if anyone could just start picking up passengers, we'd have chaos. So to operate a taxi in NYC, you have to buy a license, a "medallion," from an existing cab company (or at a once-in-a-blue-moon auction). Medallions are so scarce, they now cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Licensing prices poor people out of the business.

"Compare New York City, where a license to own and operate a taxi is $603,000, to Washington, D.C.," George Mason University economist Walter Williams told me. "There are not many black-owned taxis in New York City. But in Washington, most are owned by blacks." Why? Because in Washington, "it takes $200 to get a license to own and operate one taxi. That makes the difference."

Regulation hurts the people the politicians claim to help.

People once just went into business. But now, in the name of "consumer protection," bureaucrats insist on licensing rules. Today, hundreds of occupations require expensive licenses. Tough luck for a poor person getting started.

Ask Jestina Clayton. Ten years ago, she moved from Africa to Utah. She assumed she could support her children with the hair-braiding skills she learned in Sierra Leone. For four years, she braided hair in her home. She made decent money. But then the government shut her down because she doesn't have an expensive cosmetology license that requires 2,000 hours of classroom time — 50 weeks of useless instruction. The Institute for Justice (IJ), the public-interest law firm that fights such outrages, says "not one of those 2,000 hours teaches African hair-braiding."

IJ lawyer Paul Avelar explained that "the state passed a really broad law and left it to the cosmetology board to interpret."

Guess who sits on the cosmetology board. Right: cosmetologists.


And they don't like competition.
One day, Jestina received an email.

"The email threatened to report me to the licensing division if I continued to braid," she told me.

This came as a shock because she had been told that what she was doing was legal.

"When I called (the commission) in 2005 on two separate occasions, they did tell me that, but then when I called (again) ... the cosmetology lady told me that the situation had changed and that I needed to go to school now and get a license."

No customers complained, but a competitor did.

One cosmetologist claimed that if she didn't go to school she might make someone bald.

But this is nonsense — hair-braiding is just ... braiding. If the braid is too tight, you can undo it.

The cosmetology board told Jestina that if she wanted to braid hair without paying $18,000 to get permission from the board, she should lobby the legislature. Good luck with that. Jestina actually tried, but no luck. How can poor people become entrepreneurs if they must get laws changed first?! Jestina stopped working because she can't afford the fines.

"The first offense is $1,000," she said. "The second offense and any subsequent offense is $2,000 each day."

"It is not unique to Utah," Avelar added. "There are about 10 states that explicitly require people to go get this expensive, useless license to braid hair."

Fortunately, IJ's efforts against such laws have succeeded in seven states. Now it's in court fighting for Jestina, which, appropriately, means "justice" in her native language.

Once upon a time, one in 20 workers needed government permission to work in their occupation. Today, it's one in three. We lose some freedom every day.

"Occupational licensing laws fall hardest on minorities, on poor, on elderly workers who want to start a new career or change careers," Avelar said. "(Licensing laws) just help entrenched businesses keep out competition."

This is not what America was supposed to be.

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You do realize you sound just like Herbert Hoover right? How'd deregulation work out for him?
 

Charlie Ventura

Active Member
If you like this article, start watching John Stossel on the Fox channel. He had Dr. Walter Williams on last week, and this article is a transcript of the program.
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
do you know why new york's cabs are so regulated? because there was once days when new york's cab industry was a wild west of fraud and organized crime that threatened the economic development of new york.

they stepped in, formed the regulatory agency, and new york's cab system can be considered a model by which an industry can be both highly regulated and extremely successful.

hair brading isn't just brading. cosmetologists learn about salon hygene, which helps reduce the spread of lice and several skin and scalp conditions....

but whatever, who says they HAVE to soak the comb in anti-bacterial????

that's anti-american!!~!!!!!
 

Ernst

Well-Known Member
do you know why new york's cabs are so regulated? because there was once days when new york's cab industry was a wild west of fraud and organized crime that threatened the economic development of new york.

they stepped in, formed the regulatory agency, and new york's cab system can be considered a model by which an industry can be both highly regulated and extremely successful.

hair brading isn't just brading. cosmetologists learn about salon hygene, which helps reduce the spread of lice and several skin and scalp conditions....

but whatever, who says they HAVE to soak the comb in anti-bacterial????

that's anti-american!!~!!!!!
You have to agree tho, that the options for economic growth are a concern on all fronts.

I agree with you that regulation are needed.

So if we could change current realities what would do the most good for all?

We all need income.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
It was an odd bit of humor. I have not studied on Hoover so you got me there.
Hoover ran on a platform of deregulation and tax cuts for the rich as a way to increase profits and strengthen the economy. Worked pretty good, at least until the economy collapsed.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Hoover ran on a platform of deregulation and tax cuts for the rich as a way to increase profits and strengthen the economy. Worked pretty good, at least until the economy collapsed.
So was it Hoover's deregulation that caused the collapse or was it actions taken by something else? One has already taken the blame, care to guess which?
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
So was it Hoover's deregulation that caused the collapse or was it actions taken by something else? One has already taken the blame, care to guess which?
Well it's not that simple really. But one of the leading causes was lack of proper regulations for the stock market. People were selling crap and calling it gold. Lack of regulations on leveraging/stock purchasing practices played a HUGE role in the crash of 1929.
 

UncleBuck

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Well it's not that simple really. But one of the leading causes was lack of proper regulations for the stock market. People were selling crap and calling it gold. Lack of regulations on leveraging/stock purchasing practices played a HUGE role in the crash of 1929.
kinda sounds like the last collapse. how did all that worthless crap get AAA credit scores? was the fox watching the henhouse or what?

i am seriously asking, economics is not my area of expertise.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
A post about deregulation being the cause for every economic malady known to mankind will be sure to follow.....
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
kinda sounds like the last collapse. how did all that worthless crap get AAA credit scores? was the fox watching the henhouse or what?

i am seriously asking, economics is not my area of expertise.
Yes. It was exactly the fox watching the hen house. Larry Summers and Co decided regulating exotic financial commodities like credit default swaps was holding back the market. So they passed the commodities futures modernization act which ended the government's responsibility to regulate this market (that same act also created the enron loophool). Hey, if you're synthetic CDC's were backed by "safe" pseudo-insurance from AIG, what could go wrong right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodities_Futures_Modernization_Act
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Yes. It was exactly the fox watching the hen house. Larry Summers and Co decided regulating exotic financial commodities like credit default swaps was holding back the market. So they passed the commodities futures modernization act which ended the government's responsibility to regulate this market (that same act also created the enron loophool). Hey, if you're synthetic CDC's were backed by "safe" pseudo-insurance from AIG, what could go wrong right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodities_Futures_Modernization_Act
AIG was bailed out by US taxpayers, the Banks were Bailed out by US Taxpayers. Banks insured their Loans with AIG, then bet against them. When they got the bailouts, they got double the money of the loan, once from the TARP and ALSO the insurance.the biggest money was actually made betting against their own product. So we gave the Big Banks almost 3 times what they originally loaned to us. Something morally reprehensible about that. But it was government deregulation who did this, not the big banks. Don't be mad at the Banks, they did nothing wrong, it was deregulation, perpetrated by republicans probably.
 

redivider

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the regulation in place was designed with greenspan's theory that banks would do whatever is best for itself, including being completely open and honest about every financial transaction they took part in because if they were caught lying or misrepresenting there would be financial consequences that would not be worth it.

there was NO procedure in place to deal with widespread fraud other than a sort of "self-policing" which normally led to the banks doing whatever they wanted, which wasn't much because the industry was pretty tightly regulated. a bank-holding company couldn't behave like an insurance giant. a savings and loans institution couldn't behave like a credit union.

the 'self-policing, market is god and will punish those who behave badly, we must deregulate' attitude led banks to convince ratings agencies that the difference between AAA and CCC was nothing more than letters on a page and nothing more...

we see now the truth....
 
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