Water Causing Burns on Plant Leaves, a Myth?

[Brick Top]

Haha, ok, you are really bent on me being wrong so here.

Did you even bother to read the article?

It said:

Only on some tropical plants with hairy leaves were the water droplets held sufficiently far from the surface to cause burning.

And what you said is false said:

But on leaves with small wax hairs, such as those of the floating fern, the hairs were able to hold water droplets above the leaf surface, creating a magnifying-glass effect that gave the leaves a noticeable sunburn

Gee .. there's a big difference there!

Give it up fella, you've been proven to be wrong and even the things you are relying on to try to use to dig you out of the hole you dug yourself in at least in part only dig you in deeper.

It is possible, it happens, accept it and move on.

 

[jack ripa]

Dude, wow, do you read what I write? You need a big glass of STFU. I already said I was wrong, somewhat.

I will reassert here that I doubt you have actually seen this happen and that all of the cases of supposed water burning were actually nutrient burning or some nutritional deficiency. It probably can happen. Does it actually happen? Likely rarely.

Broken record....geezus.

 

[jack ripa]

I have to say, brick, you have not been helpful at all in your delivery but really come off as quite an asshole.

 

[ChubbySoap]

he just dislikes having to repeat himself is all...gets understandably grumpish and curt...but not asshole proportions by any stretch of imagination


if you're pissed off in the end, then he is doing his duty correctly in my eyes, because he never fails to be informative.
education is often a painful, emotional process...and it sure does stick his way.
i like blunt education...it's easier to absorb

 

[jack ripa]

How many of you have seen a droplet of water suspended on your MJ leaves by hairs? No one? Ok. Point made. I don't know anyone who sprays buds for other reasons. So, done deal. The possibility exists but I have yet to see proof of it happening.

Burning your plants with water=mostly myth.

 

[jesus of Cannabis]

How many of you have seen a droplet of water suspended on your MJ leaves by hairs? No one? Ok. Point made.

never saw Santa Claus either.....

 

[Brick Top]

Burning your plants with water=mostly myth.

Doing a little backing up on what you first claimed, aren't you? You said it was a myth, now after your own information damn near matched mine you are backing up and trying to claim it is; "mostly myth."

Well; "mostly myth" is like only being a little pregnant. Either you are pregnant or you are not and water either can burn or it cannot burn ... and here is the key point from what you posted and what I posted.

Yours said:

Only on some tropical plants with hairy leaves were the water droplets held sufficiently far from the surface to cause burning.

And mine said:

But on leaves with small wax hairs, such as those of the floating fern, the hairs were able to hold water droplets above the leaf surface, creating a magnifying-glass effect that gave the leaves a noticeable sunburn

Gee .. there's a big difference there!

Do you want to try to save some face and rephrase your; "mostly myth" statement and instead say, it is a somewhat uncommon occurrence but water droplets on cannabis leaves can burn them?

 

[ChubbySoap]

of course i never see it...i use cfls...they don't put out enough to even have a remote chance of burning anything with the aid of a drop of water
i ain't running out to purchase a high power system just to satisfy some random peep on a forum anytime soon
i've never seen baby pigeons before either.... therefore they don't exist....?

seem perfectly reasonable by your logic...most people never seen em either...so it must be true

 

[jack ripa]

Doing a little backing up on what you first claimed, aren't you? You said it was a myth, now after your own information damn near matched mine you are backing up and trying to claim it is; "mostly myth."

Well; "mostly myth" is like only being a little pregnant. Either you are pregnant or you are not and water either can burn or it cannot burn ... and here is the key point from what you posted and what I posted.

Yours said:

Only on some tropical plants with hairy leaves were the water droplets held sufficiently far from the surface to cause burning.

And mine said:

But on leaves with small wax hairs, such as those of the floating fern, the hairs were able to hold water droplets above the leaf surface, creating a magnifying-glass effect that gave the leaves a noticeable sunburn

Gee .. there's a big difference there!

Do you want to try to save some face and rephrase your; "mostly myth" statement and instead say, it is a somewhat uncommon occurrence but water droplets on cannabis leaves can burn them?

Hey skip, maybe you need a new prescription. You are missing the point.

 

[jack ripa]

If you can't point to a case of it happening, then I am 100% correct saying it IS NOT AN ISSUE, especially on vegging plants.

How many of you grow plants that have trichomes large enough in veg to actually suspend water over the leaves? None. Not a single one. So it is a myth that may have some loose basis in fact.

 

[Brick Top]

If you can't point to a case of it happening, then I am 100% correct saying it IS NOT AN ISSUE, especially on vegging plants.

How many of you grow plants that have trichomes large enough in veg to actually suspend water over the leaves? None. Not a single one. So it is a myth that may have some loose basis in fact.

Spin ... smoke screen ... diversion tactics ... avoidance techniques.

It is not at all about when or even how often it happens, but instead if it can happen or not. Both your information and mine said plants with hairs can retain droplets of water and end up with leaf burn.

You called it; "a forum myth." you flat out said it cannot happen. You told me in a PM that I shouldn't listen to what "the stoners" claim because it is only a; "myth"

Then you tried the; "mostly-myth" thing." Now you are trying to say "if someone can't point to a case of it happening...." Well that is not needed. Your information said plants with hairs, my information said plants with hairs, I have seen it before, and while I cannot recall if anyone else in this thread has said they have seen it I have seen it mentioned a goodly number of times over the years on a number of different growing sites.

Why do you need to keep dancing around the facts" Are you attempting to minimalism them to the point where you can yet again attempt to claim it is impossible and it is only a myth?

Just grow a pair, then grow some hair on them so you can then admit that you were totally wrong and that while it is not a common occurrence it can and does happen and then get over it and move on.

 

[jack ripa]

Spin ... smoke screen ... diversion tactics ... avoidance techniques.

That's very repetitive of you.

It is not at all about when or even how often it happens, but instead if it can happen or not.

Wrong, the argument is not that simple. There was a purpose to my assertion of myth. From what I have learned I am mostly right. My reasoning is that a.95% or more of the people who as you say "mention it on forums" (which doesn't make it true as I could show you in 5 other MJ myth cases that I will save for other threads to amuse you), don't have to worry about it. If they don't spray water on their buds they will be fine. and b.that the other 5 % need to worry about air circulation way more than water on leaves. So, by saying "mostly myth" I am speaking of a forum myth exactly like I said to you before you sent me a million PMs RABIDLY trying to force me to believe what you have been duped into believing. You were repetitive and I realized that my requests to "agree to disagree" seem to only enrage you further.

Both your information and mine said plants with hairs can retain droplets of water and end up with leaf burn.

I am not denying that. As you keep ignoring I admitted that scholarly data seemed to infer that hairs can do damage. My point is that that damage is ultra rare if at all possible (I have not seen it ever in 25 years of hardcore growing) and that the actual hairs of cannabis that occur on the vegging leaves will not typically suspend a water droplet high enough to actually burn this way.

You called it; "a forum myth." you flat out said it cannot happen. You told me in a PM that I shouldn't listen to what "the stoners" claim because it is only a; "myth"

I did. I stand by that. I am stoner but you have to admit, if there's any single group capable of perpetuating a myth it would be us, stoners.

Then you tried the; "mostly-myth" thing." Now you are trying to say "if someone can't point to a case of it happening...." Well that is not needed. Your information said plants with hairs, my information said plants with hairs, I have seen it before, and while I cannot recall if anyone else in this thread has said they have seen it I have seen it mentioned a goodly number of times over the years on a number of different growing sites.

Why do you need to keep dancing around the facts" Are you attempting to minimalism them to the point where you can yet again attempt to claim it is impossible and it is only a myth?

Just grow a pair, then grow some hair on them so you can then admit that you were totally wrong and that while it is not a common occurrence it can and does happen and then get over it and move on.

You have had nothing but anger and insults in teh face of my quest for knowledge. I stated that I wanted to hear from growers of MJ specifically. That is why this is the best place to put it out there. You have stated your opinion, shown thin evidence and now want me to bow at your feet and say you are 100% right or nothing at all. You sir are a bully. You are also not helping these forums with your attacks and pointless repetition.


Once again I ask you, lets agree to disagree. Let someone else answer.


Does anyone have an actual case of this they think they can prove? I would LOVE to see it. I would then reconsider my position.

I did state that studies are inadequate because they aren't MJ specific. Let's get some actual info going here people. I am going to attempt a time lapse of a newish leaf with trichomes. I think the hardest part will be getting the water droplet to suspend. We shall see.

Thanks for the interest so far and I hope we can get this sorted out once and for all rather than just taking people's word for it. This is science. New ideas are always attacked by "the old guard" but it's healthy.

Pics later. I promise...muahahaha!

 

[jack ripa]

And I will tell you another thing, I fucking hope I can damn well do it. If I am the first to get a time lapse of this effect actually happening I will be proud as hell. I will have put an end to the question.

That's what I really want. Not cherry picking a single bit. I want the truth.

 

[ENDLSCYCLE]

And we're wasting our time with this again because..????

 

[jack ripa]

And we're wasting our time with this again because..????

Because the myth persists. And I am bored. Bother you?

 

[bdonson]

Cripple Fight?

 

[jack ripa]

TimmAYY! Libealivalong timmay!

 

[Brick Top]

Because the myth persists.

Your information said:

Only on some tropical plants with hairy leaves were the water droplets held sufficiently far from the surface to cause burning.

And mine said:

But on leaves with small wax hairs, such as those of the floating fern, the hairs were able to hold water droplets above the leaf surface, creating a magnifying-glass effect that gave the leaves a noticeable sunburn


BOTH prove it is not a; "myth." As I have said, it is a rare occurrence and if using CFLs an almost impossibility, but it is not a myth and it has never been a myth and all your spin and twisting of things and smoke screen tactics and deceptive ways of stating things will never ever turn what can and occasionally does happen into being a; "myth."

Why are you so totally incapable of understanding and accepting that fact? Why do you insist on misleading people and intentionally spread false information? Because your pride and ego have been bruised because not only the information I supplied but also information you yourself supplied proved it is not a; "myth" and that you have been wrong all along?

Dude, people know for sure now and you can't put the shit back in the donkey, you can't put the genie back in the lamp.

Just accept the fact and deal with the fact and move on for God's sake.

 

[Brick Top]

with out a barrage of vitriolic PMs.

Don't start playing the drama queen with me about PMs after the barrage of junior high school level of maturity things you hurled at me in PMs. Nothing I said to you came close to your temper tantrum rants and childish abuse.

Just do everyone, both myself and you included, a BIG favor and let it drop and leave things as they should be.

1.) Plants with trichomes can, and at times will, suspend water droplets above the surface of the leaf and under sunlight or HID lighting the light rays can be focused onto a small area and burn the leaf tissue to some degree or another.

2.) Water with fertilizer in it can and will burn leaves if it sits long enough just as you can fry a plant if you foliar feed with too string of a nute mixture, but it will in the case of water droplets be small isolated 'circles' of burn.

3.) When using CFLs the odds of experiencing burning from water droplets alone is virtually zero due to the weak low intensity lighting, but if there is fertilizer in the water burning is still a possibility since in those cases is it the fertilizer and not the water/light combination that causes the burn.

4.) On smooth leafed plants, like a maple tree, water will shed and there will be no burning.

Just let it be dude. You are beating a dead horse desperately attempting to regain some slight degree of credibility after flat out saying that water droplet/light burn is nothing more than a; "forum myth" and both you and I, with the information we both posted, proved your; "forum myth" claim to be inaccurate.

First you stepped into a fresh big steaming pile of shit and as you attempted to spin your inaccuracies into accuracies you eventually found yourself waist deep and upside down in 'the big muddy.'

Just accept reality, and then move on.

 

[Brick Top]

And we're wasting our time with this again because..????

It happens now and then when someone like jack ripa insists that reality is a myth and gives out inaccurate advice and spreads incorrect information.

Sites like this should be places were people can come to learn to grow and share factual information but thanks to members like jack ripa they instead remain universities of ignorance where incorrect personal opinion and inaccurate self created beliefs are wrongfully pawned off on unsuspecting others as being factual knowledge.