Proposition 8 Overturned: Gay Marriage Ban Ruled Unconstitutional

Splinter88

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"Proposition 8 perpetuates the stereotype that gays and lesbians are incapable of forming long-term loving relationships and that gays and lesbians are not good parents." <-- from that article..I disagree with gays and lesbians having the ability to be good parents. If two gay guys raise a son..will he grow up to be gay? Because isn't UPBRINGING the main reason people go crooked? The best and ONLY way to raise a child is the mother/father role, period, anyone who argues otherwise is blind, sorry. How is a son going to feel when he grows up, most likely being made fun of, for having two dads? Let them marry, but not adopt.. Fags can be together without the legal trials of marriage anyways, it's a man made institution. Accept that you are 3-4% of the population and will always be made fun of..unless your in homo-central Fransisco. My view on gay people in general is way more lenient then most of the folks down here in the south, that's just the way it is. Gay parents adopting sons and daughters..scary
 

Padawanbater2

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Wow, I haven't seen this much ignorance in quite a while. :shock:

"If two gay guys raise a son..will he grow up to be gay? Because isn't UPBRINGING the main reason people go crooked?"

What will it take for you people to understand these kinds of statements are ridiculous?

Listen to what you are saying. I have two very easy ways to prove that statement is bullshit. One, how do you explain homosexual people who are born into heterosexual households? Two, how do you explain heterosexual people who are born into homosexual households?

But watch, you probably won't answer that, because you can't, and continue on with your prejudice ways...


"The best and ONLY way to raise a child is the mother/father role, period, anyone who argues otherwise is blind, sorry."

Actually, you're wrong. I know you hate that devil science but take a look at what the research says.

"How is a son going to feel when he grows up, most likely being made fun of, for having two dads?"

Fuck man, this is what I'm talking about, you can't think 3 feet past your nose or what?

Kids make fun of gay people because their parents make fun of gay people. I don't make fun of gay people because my parents aren't homophobes, and they didn't raise me to have homophobic tendencies. If my dad hated gay people, or held similar views about them that people like you do, then I most likely would too.

See, so if people like you were to teach your kids that there's really nothing wrong with being homosexual, they wouldn't have anything to make fun of, regarding sexual orientation. It would simply be another individual trait, like eye or hair color. Sexual orientation is a big deal because people like you make it a big deal.

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Accept that you are 3-4% of the population and will always be made fun of..unless your in homo-central Fransisco. My view on gay people in general is way more lenient then most of the folks down here in the south, that's just the way it is. Gay parents adopting sons and daughters..scary"

Rational, reasonable people don't waste time making fun of other people asshole. How old are you?

The south is the most embarrassing part of the United States, nobody else really gives a fuck what the south thinks.

People like you having the right to vote... that is scary. :finger:
 

fdd2blk

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Kids make fun of gay people because their parents make fun of gay people. I don't make fun of gay people because my parents aren't homophobes, and they didn't raise me to have homophobic tendencies. If my dad hated gay people, or held similar views about them that people like you do, then I most likely would too.

See, so if people like you were to teach your kids that there's really nothing wrong with being homosexual, they wouldn't have anything to make fun of, regarding sexual orientation. It would simply be another individual trait, like eye or hair color. Sexual orientation is a big deal because people like you make it a big deal.
yet you just said upbringing has nothing to do with it. :neutral:
 

andar

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"Proposition 8 perpetuates the stereotype that gays and lesbians are incapable of forming long-term loving relationships and that gays and lesbians are not good parents." <-- from that article..I disagree with gays and lesbians having the ability to be good parents. If two gay guys raise a son..will he grow up to be gay? Because isn't UPBRINGING the main reason people go crooked? The best and ONLY way to raise a child is the mother/father role, period, anyone who argues otherwise is blind, sorry. How is a son going to feel when he grows up, most likely being made fun of, for having two dads? Let them marry, but not adopt.. Fags can be together without the legal trials of marriage anyways, it's a man made institution. Accept that you are 3-4% of the population and will always be made fun of..unless your in homo-central Fransisco. My view on gay people in general is way more lenient then most of the folks down here in the south, that's just the way it is. Gay parents adopting sons and daughters..scary
wow. i dont even know what to say to this. i feel sorry for you. i hope you have gay children
 

R2F

Active Member
Fundamental rights may not be submitted to a vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections
Marriage is not a fundamental right. It's a privilege and thus something that absolutely can be voted on.

Edit: Background, 2 of my friends are gay, and yes they know my position. 1 supports my position, the other opposes it. I don't think the traditional word "marriage" ought to be redefined as anything other than man + woman. And before you quote merriam or webster, I'm quite familiar with the colloquial modifications of the definition.

I support the rights of gays to have the same legal rights as married couples, but I don't support the NAME: Marriage for them. Let them choose another name. Just because I want to call an apple "Orange" doesn't mean we should change the definition of "orange" to include Apples too. It's got a different name, define it as such.
 

Splinter88

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Wow, I haven't seen this much ignorance in quite a while. :shock:
i thought the same after reading some of your posts.

how do you explain homosexual people who are born into heterosexual households? Two, how do you explain heterosexual people who are born into homosexual households?
for the first one id guess neglectful parents that let their son play with barbies and have tea parties with imaginary pink talking pony's. or maybe they just ended up around the wrong influence for too long? Is there a homosexual gene in our gene pool? correct me if im wrong but i dont think there is. and as far as heterosexual people being born into homosexual households(and staying heterosexual)...that's news to me rofl.

"The best and ONLY way to raise a child is the mother/father role, period, anyone who argues otherwise is blind, sorry."

Actually, you're wrong. I know you hate that devil science but take a look at what the research says.
........there's research that proves homosexuals can raise a child better than a heterosexual couple ? A dad-dad raising a son is better for the son as opposed to dad-mom? I know there's gays out there who don't talk with lisps and cross-dress but there's still no way that child is going to get a better upbringing with fag dads compared to mom and dad.


Fuck man, this is what I'm talking about, you can't think 3 feet past your nose or what?

Kids make fun of gay people because their parents make fun of gay people. I don't make fun of gay people because my parents aren't homophobes, and they didn't raise me to have homophobic tendencies. If my dad hated gay people, or held similar views about them that people like you do, then I most likely would too.

See, so if people like you were to teach your kids that there's really nothing wrong with being homosexual, they wouldn't have anything to make fun of, regarding sexual orientation. It would simply be another individual trait, like eye or hair color. Sexual orientation is a big deal because people like you make it a big deal.
My parents never said shit about this topic, they don't care they divorced a while ago and it was never much of a family. Your parents werent homophobes so now your a raging troll who thinks it's OK for guys to stick their tools in anothers hairy arse. Im going back to basic biology; we have dicks for women, not men. adam and eve not adam and steve i've said that before.
I don't HATE HATE fags, i mostly just pity them, if there was a bootcamp for straightness then i say they should be admitted for free.

I work at UPS doing basic labor right, and recently they hired the FIRST gay dude to work there. literally the only homo in the entire factory. Dude has a Lisp and everything, dances and sings like a little fairy sometimes while he 'works.' i've never seen such poor work ethic in a man. but im comparing to myself, and i have beastly work ethic no matter what i do. I was like LMFAO this guy must have pulled some strings to get in here. I could be ignorant and say that fags suck at working, but i know that it's just this one guy...im sure he'd be good as a department store greeter, or a prostitute.

"Accept that you are 3-4% of the population and will always be made fun of..unless your in homo-central Fransisco. My view on gay people in general is way more lenient then most of the folks down here in the south, that's just the way it is. Gay parents adopting sons and daughters..scary"

Rational, reasonable people don't waste time making fun of other people asshole. How old are you?

The south is the most embarrassing part of the United States, nobody else really gives a fuck what the south thinks.

People like you having the right to vote... that is scary. :finger:
Sometimes i like being an asshole because this is the 1nt3rnetz yo, 'asshole' is a compliment to me. since i know im right and you are wrong in everything you've said.
I grew up in the north, im not down here by choice..god no. Is the south really that embarrassing or is it just the leaders that make it look shitty?
I had the right to vote for obama or mccain but i chose neither, wise decision IMO. And yea il vote against anything pro-gay for the rest of my life. Unless the gay population ends up as a bunch of hot ass lesbians lawl.

But yea, basically what i got from your post is that you hate everyone who doesnt share your opinion and that your a flaming faggot, maybe you should let go of your need to be right.
 

HowzerMD

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I want gay marriage legal everywhere so my drunk lesbian mom doesn't call me cackling about the latest news involving gay marriage every evening while I'm trying to eat dinner.
 

Keenly2

Active Member
Marriage is not a fundamental right. It's a privilege and thus something that absolutely can be voted on.

Edit: Background, 2 of my friends are gay, and yes they know my position. 1 supports my position, the other opposes it. I don't think the traditional word "marriage" ought to be redefined as anything other than man + woman. And before you quote merriam or webster, I'm quite familiar with the colloquial modifications of the definition.

I support the rights of gays to have the same legal rights as married couples, but I don't support the NAME: Marriage for them. Let them choose another name. Just because I want to call an apple "Orange" doesn't mean we should change the definition of "orange" to include Apples too. It's got a different name, define it as such.
"ahem"

separate but equal anyone?

its unconstitutional to do that

my 2 cents : a person or group of people have no right to tell another person / group of people how they should live their lives

also, if your the type of person who doesnt want gays to get married, because YOU dont like it, are the most selfish types of people
 

fdd2blk

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Upbringing has nothing to do with being gay (the ratio I generally give is 80% nature 20% nurture), upbringing has a lot to do with being homophobic.

Hope that clarifies.

hmmmmmmm. :neutral:

do you think you could "teach" someone to be gay? under the right circumstances?

just wondering.
 

HowzerMD

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Upbringing has nothing to do with being gay (the ratio I generally give is 80% nature 20% nurture), upbringing has a lot to do with being homophobic.

Hope that clarifies.
That's like saying "This bird was raised to not use it's beak, so it's beak just went away." It really isn't that simple. The way a brain works is much more complicated than that. Regardless of biases learned through parental nurturing, a person simply is what he/she is. If you're gay, you can still be raised to hate gay people. Learning homosexuality is not something you can do.Neither is "unlearning" it. If you happen to be gay,it's just what you are. If you like the opposite sex, than that's what you are.
 

Padawanbater2

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hmmmmmmm. :neutral:

do you think you could "teach" someone to be gay? under the right circumstances?

just wondering.
No, I don't think you could teach someone to be gay under any circumstances. Similarly, I don't think you could choose to change your sexual orientation if you wanted to. I've seen studies where they get groups of homosexual males together and show them homosexual porn and measure the arousal levels, you show a heterosexual male homosexual porn and there's no stimulation. Likewise, show homosexual males heterosexual porn and again, no stimulation.

That's a pretty conclusive study right?

That's like saying "This bird was raised to not use it's beak, so it's beak just went away." It really isn't that simple. The way a brain works is much more complicated than that. Regardless of biases learned through parental nurturing, a person simply is what he/she is. If you're gay, you can still be raised to hate gay people. Learning homosexuality is not something you can do.Neither is "unlearning" it. If you happen to be gay,it's just what you are. If you like the opposite sex, than that's what you are.
I was saying homophobic people tend to inherit homophobic tendencies from their parents. I agree you can't learn to be homosexual (or heterosexual if you happen to be homosexual).

how many gay's were there in the 1920's? how many are there now? why? WHY?!
There were the same number of homosexual people in the 1920's. The laws are more lax and people are more educated on some of these sexual issues so more people are open about it these days.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. But I'm guessing you asked that question implying that it's "trendy" to be gay, so more people are choosing to do it these days. So tell me, why would someone choose to have all this animosity from people like you put on them voluntarily? Why would they want to be denied equal rights under the law or be made fun of throughout their life?
 

Dan Kone

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how many gay's were there in the 1920's? how many are there now? why? WHY?!
Just as many as there are today, it just wasn't talked about. If you were gay in the 1920's you were pretty much forced to live in the closet your whole life.

In the Roman republic/empire, before being gay was defined it was quite common for people to have same sex relationships. It wasn't until the Christians took over that it became not ok.
 

HowzerMD

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i don't think porn arousal is a very "scientific" method of study. sorry.
I agree with this. Considering men are what they are this couldn't be accurate. Let's save the porno for beating off and totally seperate from scientific studies.
 
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