Newbie StealthHydro Bubbleponics grow with CFLs step-by-step; Afgaani & Shiva strains

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redfoxx

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Greetings everyone, I would like to begin by saying how much I've enjoyed this site and how helpful most members are. A great community here. So without further ado, I'd like to say that I'm an absolute newbie 1st time grower who has started educating himself and setting up the system about a week ago. I have found a lot of helpful and at the same time misleading information on the web and found this site particularly helpful and enjoyable. I would like to help everyone like myself and people who decided to go with the StealthHydro Bubbleponics system. I know that Roseman has a great article here about it, but some of the information is not detailed enough for newbies, so here I go. I had a bad experience with my original 6 seeds which I tried planting in the system b/c I didn't know enough about rockwool and that you have to soak it and TDS/PPM/CF control. Plus i had really bad freebie seeds from nirvana and half of them didn't sprout. So anyway, they rotted.

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That's just some background. Now here's my setup. SH Hydroponics > Dual Spectrum Bubbleponics™ Complete Kit with 2 DualSpectrum II CFL lights, grow and bloom spectrums @ 85W each. Plus I bought an additional hydrofarm 125W grow light for when the plants get taller. I'm growing in a closet and ordered mylar and will post pictures about how I will modify it and make it light proof. I also bought a powerful little circulation fan for later stages from Homedepot and a thermostat heater to have exact control during the colder months. Also equipped myself with 12 gal of spring water. I've also ordered the 6-in-1 water monitor kit a couple of days ago and a heated mini green house for seed germination/sprouting. Now I realize that I overspent, but this hobby is eating me up and I'm enjoying it more than I ever thought. So you can see why I got a little paranoid after my freebie seeds rotted and I ordered all the extra gear.

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Now here're the grow details finally. I have started over on Sept. 17th and have received new Nirvana Afgaani seeds which looked absolutely great compared to the Shiva seeds I got earlier (they were a little green and the freebies were 10-15 yr old durbanxskunk1). I will make this journal VERY detailed because I feel that a lot of newbie growers are not given enough details about germinating and most importantly sprouting the seeds in the first crucial week.

1) I germinated my seeds using the simple paper towel method with some room temperature, Brita filtered tap water placed between 2 plates on my router inside my computer desk. That worked very well and there were very large (1/2 inch;) tap roots showing from both seeds (i decided to do only 2 for this hydro grow until I get my water monitor in case I screw this up).

2) That same evening I prepared a 5.5Ph adjusted water with a tiny trace amount of StealthHydro's Bloom and Micro nutrients. By 'trace' amount i mean the tip of a teaspoon per 1/2 gallon of water which I then left sitting overnight to evaporate any chlorine which might be left. I did not soak the rockwool cubes overnight. Just dropped them in in the morning, kept them in for a minute and squeezed out excess water. From all the video's online, this is enough. The reason you want to a tiny amount of nutrients is because the rockwool is completely neutral and has no nutrients of its own.

3) I have placed the germinated seeds, tap root down into a little hole i've made in the rockwool cubes(really just big enough to completely insert the seeds) and brushed the hair fibers gently over the seed. I have then moved these cubes on to a plate and covered it with a clear plastic dome I've bought at HD to create a mini greenhouse and wait until the seeds sprout.

The 3rd step I'm still a little unclear about as most people say that the germinated seed should be sprouted with no light in warm darkness and others say that they sprout them with light as soon as they put the seed into the grow medium. I guess the temperature you desire also plays a role here. If it's cold in the room and you want higher temperatures, put them under the lights, if not, keep them in the dark. I simply put them on my router in my computer desk where it's pitch black. I will post pictures of my setup tonight. What might be interesting to note is that I have also decided to germinate 3 more seeds this morning and plant them in soil, just to see the comparison and double my success of sprouting. (hopefully also making mother plants).

Another reason is that I'm now slightly paranoid of rockwool and have experience previously growing plants in good 'ole soil. :leaf:;-):leaf:

Please feel free to ask questions, give tips, hints and generally add comments as you see fit. I'll be very happy as I want this to be a journal, but also a helping tool for newbies to hydroponics. And who better to make a newbie guide than a newbie since I'll be making and correcting mistakes as I go along (hopefully not too many). Also I believe that I can make this more helpful to newbies because a lot of guides skip very important details about sprouting for example which seems to be automatic, but is yet to happen for me. Good luck everyone!! :weed:
 
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redfoxx

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Well well well. Came home today and found this little beauty has sprouted. I couldn't believe my eyes because I really thought it wasn't going to happen. So I decided to post some pics of my sproutling and the setup.

The spring water was surprisingly alkaline, about 8.0 Ph. Had to lower it.

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redfoxx

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wow..long posts lol.. remember - "a picture says a thousand words"
good luck
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Thanks. Hehe I was bored at work so had nothing else to do.
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Quick update:

Another seed sprouted and has been moved to the system. My first sprout seems happy and is becoming green so photosynthesis has begun. I'm very excited!
 

VictorVIcious

Well-Known Member
You don't sqeeze the water out of rockwool. It compresses it and break the air pockets down. If you get them too wet use a "salad spiner" to remove the excess moisture. May be why you are having trouble with the rockwool?? VV
 
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redfoxx

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You don't sqeeze the water out of rockwool. It compresses it and break the air pockets down. If you get them too wet use a "salad spiner" to remove the excess moisture. May be why you are having trouble with the rockwool?? VV
Well actually I got 2 sproutlings going now, I think it was a really bad batch of freebies seeds and unknown water quality.

By squeeze I mean to very gently press the rockwool cube to simply get rid of extra moisture. But thanks for a heads up, i'll be careful.
 
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redfoxx

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I have an update. So something went wrong with water overnight. I guess it's because I used the pH down solution which came with the system and it didn't take very well. The pH went back up to 7+ and the water turned murky with white foam and gave off a very bad smell. So I replaced it again (this is becoming a part time job) and all is well. My little babies are looking good, but the 3rd one hasn't sprouted yet for some reason. I'm attaching some pics. :peace:
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alfdaddy

Active Member
did u place the cubes with seedlings directly into the bubbleponics? and is it on or just sitting in there for light until the roots come through?

thanks
 

Emosdoom

Active Member
Hey Red,

Nice setup. Very interested to see how it goes. I'm thinking about starting something similar soon with some bagseed to see if I can get this down. I know what you mean about enjoying this new hobby.

I was wondering the same thing as Alfdaddy. From everything I've read and seen, I don't think your supposed to put the Rockwool cube into the bubbler until a decent mass of roots pokes out the bottom.

Keep posting for us Newbies.

Thanks

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redfoxx

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Hey Red,

Nice setup. Very interested to see how it goes. I'm thinking about starting something similar soon with some bagseed to see if I can get this down. I know what you mean about enjoying this new hobby.

I was wondering the same thing as Alfdaddy. From everything I've read and seen, I don't think your supposed to put the Rockwool cube into the bubbler until a decent mass of roots pokes out the bottom.

Keep posting for us Newbies.

Thanks

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About the rockwool cubes. Everyone has an opinion about when to put the rockwool cubes in the bubbler but the majority as well as customer support at StealthHydro and several hydroponics books i've skimmed through, agree that it's absolutely OK to put them in once you see a sproutling.

Now the exact things i've done to get them to sprout:

1. Germinate the seed until you see a 1/2" tap root showing.
2. Soak your RW in 5.5 pH water (i use Brita filtered tap and the pH is great).
3. DO NOT use the little hole in the rockwool they've made for you, I find it's too deep and you don't have exact control over it, they seem different batch to batch. So flip the cube and make your own small hole (1/4" or just enough for the seed to completely be inserted) and gently cover the top of the seed with fibers so it's hidden.
4. After step 3, put it in a DARK, WARM place (i just bought a propagator with a heating pad) but my router inside my desk worked wonders! It get's nice and warm in there and totally dark.
5. That's it, after that I added a tiny bit of micro and grow nutes to 6 gallons of water (half of the yellow spoon that ships with the system) and aerate the water for 30 min before you put your rockwool cubes in with the sprouts.
6. TURN THE LIGHTS ON! The sprouts are absolutely ready to digest light at this point. I'll post updates tonight, mines are turning very green and became much longer.
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I have 3 more seeds which sprouted (the Afgaani strain seems beastly, sprouts like there's no tomorrow and always 100%). I'll be transferring them today into the cubes.
 

darkchildsks

Active Member
nice setup and great detail, you can tell you've done some research. I am also running this system, I'm in the middle of my second grow, and have since got a few very close friends on this program. My first grow went incredible, this site and especially it's FAQ have been a most valuable resource.

As far as the rockwool cubes, i've read with this system it's fine to start right in the system and for my first thats what I did, I cleaned the system, put it together, had the cubes right in the baskets, I did not presoak them or anything just had the water tubes against them about half way up the cubes, and put the cubes about half way in the cup. I started 5 right from seed, and they all sprouted in 4 days.

My second time with the system it didn't work but it ended up just being bad seeds, none would germ no matter what method I tried, so I tried 1 seed from a different strain and it germinated within 24 hours, so I planted that in my system, kept trying to get my troublesome seeds to germ. within a few days the new strain was sprouting nicely and I decided to give up on the 10 other, and tossed in a spare seed of another strain right in the system because I didn't want to just have one plant, and it too germinated within 3-4 days no problem.

so basically, what I've come up with so far is I don't believe presoaking the cubes is necessary, I do add a very weak strength of the nutes to the reservoirs, but I've also read that the seed itself has what it needs to live for the first couple weeks of growth so this probably isn't necessary. I do use the paper towel method now for germination, but only because I want to see the tap root before I plant it, but I just plant it in the dry cube in the system in the hole they come with, turn the system on, water the cubes a little bit with the weak nute formula, just to moisten them, leave it alone with all the pumps going and with no lights on for a couple days until I see the first 2 little leaves flop open then I turn on the lights. Other then my crappy batch of seeds, this has had 100% success with me and my friends.

as far as the lights go, as I've said I keep them off while waiting to see the two embryonic leaves appear because I believe the plant doesn't need any until then. I then put them on a 18/6 schedule because I've noticed the 6 hours darkness speeds up the plants early root development noticeably.

well, thats my 2 cents for now lol, I'm pretty stoned typing this, I took the day off work and just finished wake-n-bake :blsmoke: but I feel pretty good about using this system so feel free to ask questions, I'm by no measure an expert, but have done quite a lot of research myself and I really REALLY love this plant :leaf:. Happy Growing!
peace.
 
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redfoxx

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Thanks so much darkchild! I'll add you to my friends list if you don't mind. It is definitely very useful to have people with this system share their knowledge, that way we can help each other. I'm very glad to hear that this system is working well for you...I was worried when I first tried to sprout my 6 seeds directly in the cubes in the system, out of which 4 were 15 yr old freebies & the other 2 were immature, this didn't work and the seeds rotted....also maybe because my room temperature was around 68-71F during those days. The plants really seems to like warm temperatures when it's germinating and sprouting. Roseman also posted that with this system, it's ok to just put the seeds in the cubes and they'll sprout in a couple of days, but I still feel that sprouting them in a mini greenhouse is best.

In fact I had the exact same thing happen, the bad seeds simply rotted in the cubes and I was pretty upset. So that's why I decided to germinate the good ones in the cubes before I put them into the system.

A quick question, what type of water are you using? I really like my Brita tap because it comes out with perfect pH of 5.8-6 every time. I haven't tested it for quality yet, since i'm still waiting on my multi-meter to ship from SH.

Also, when do you think it's a good idea to start blowing air at them & adding CO2? I'm planning to mix some yeast with baking soda when it's time, it's simple and it works.

Btw my mylar order came in yesterday and i finished the 2 walls in my closet, tomorrow i'm going to home depot to buy a few wooden planks and a staple gun to create a closed in, light-proof area. I'll post pics. I'll try to keep this journal as detailed as possible, god willing my plants don't die ;)
 

darkchildsks

Active Member
I have been using reverse osmosis from a grocery store, I haven't experimented with other water, or just tap water but this has been working out pretty good. The water has always been the perfect Ph with low TDS and only cost me $2.15 for a refill. Another reason is because I get it in 5 gallon jugs, and I have 3-4 jugs laying around, but because the system uses 6 gallons, it allows me to just add an entire jug, and I mix my nutes in a 1 gallon container and all is well.

I did notice however that it does start to become a bit of a choir cycling through and refilling the jugs near the end of the grow when the plants were drinking quite a bit of water, but my babies deserve the best and it is still a lot cheaper and less hassle then getting my shit off the street. But yeah, the reverse osmosis water has worked great for my babies, and I've also noticed that Stealth Hydro sells a R/O filtration unit for $150 - $180 that I'm going to buy myself as a reward once my next crop comes in :-P since I save so much by simply growing my own.

As far as the air and Co2, I would recommend getting a fan softly blowing on them either when you put your lights on, or not long there after. This last time I didn't put a fan on my sprouts at first and my one whiteberry plant was growing so fast it fell right over. So I propped it up with a small mound of the hydro-rocks and turned the fan on right away, and two days later it was standing up healthy again and the stems have really strengthen from then on, and it also seemed to help the younger plant in the system as well.

I don't have a Co2 unit, or system at the moment, but I know there are some good DIY methods in the Faq, and systems you can buy. I personally would probably only use these during the flowering phase, and ideally would be on a timer of some sort so that while your giving the plants Co2 the fans turn off for a bit to let them soak in. What I do is I get naturally carbonated spring water from the grocery store and mist my plants once a day while I inspect them, and I believe this is good enough.


Can't wait to see new pictures of your babies :) one of these days I'll figure out how to post pictures on here and I can show some pictures of my babys, this last grow I've been able to mostly take a picture a day since they sprouted to document everything. Happy growing!
peace.
 
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redfoxx

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Heya dark!

Great to hear that. So here are the pics first. I think they're growing great, however I have a small concern. I'll comment the pictures.

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So as you can see, they've noticeably grown over the past 2 days. What concerns me is that they're both leaning to the left a lot and that is where my grow light is. So they're definitely giving preference to that light. I tried moving it to the right more.

Also am I keeping the lights at the right distance? Right now the temperature is about 81-82F. I'm afraid to move them closer, but at the same time the sprouts seem to be stretching.

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Leaning a bit, afraid they'll fall.

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These are my newly germinated newborns. Also not pictured is the 3rd one I've put in a pot with soil, to hopefully get a mother or at least a comparison grow.

I'm thinking about the RO system. I've overspent a bit on the multi-meter which I think is more important right now. SO the Brita filtered stuff seems to be working so far. Maybe I'll buy some distilled water. I'm not sure my grocery store carries it though. I did a stupid thing a few days ago and bought a lot of spring water just to find that it's pH is about 7.5 and pH adjusting it seems to cloud the water and it becomes 7.5 again the next day.

Send me a PM, i'll see if i can help you post pics here. :weed:
 

darkchildsks

Active Member
hey man, looking good so far! I would get a small fan blowing across your plants soon, they are not leaning bad yet, but the fan will give the stems a constant work out and will really strengthen them as well as help you circulate the air in your grow room and control temp.

If that is as far as you keep your lights, you need to lower them considerably, those 85 watt lights aren't hot to the touch, and should be about 2 to 3 inches away from your plants. If your ambient air temperature is 81F - 82F (not the best, but far from bad) putting your lights closer won't increase the temp any, and your plants are starting to stretch a little.

I would also advise you to get a small table or nightstand or something to place beside your unit to let your air pump sit on, once your plants get bigger, and especially once they start to flower, they are going to really start taking over the space, so I wouldn't recommend leaving it on the system itself, but remember to keep your pump above your water level or water will get into your air pump and mess it up. Having a little table or night stand would also give you a place to set a fan to blow across your plants.

I'm sure you should be just fine with your brita water, as long as your plants are happy, all should be fine, but try not to get to fussy with PH up or down or any other additives other then your nutes unless you plants start showing signs of deficiency or stress, often I see people go overboard and smother their plants.

Once I get some spare time I'll send you that PM and post some of my pictures, but it'll have to wait, I'm a little crunched for time today. Happy Growing!!
Peace.
 

choppers4life

New Member
bad ass set-up! fan of S.H. myself, i would do a gently fan now,and co2 closer to flower,"pre-flower" and go all the way to harvest, i wold make my own,lol cheaper.......that's it
 
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redfoxx

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Hmm what do you guys think about the distance my CFLs are away from the plants? Should I lower them to 4-5 inches at this point or is it too early? I'm afraid of stretching out.
 

Emosdoom

Active Member
Hey Red,

I'm not real experienced, but everything I have read thus far says that you can put CFLs as close as 2", just watch for burning. They are not supposed to get that hot. I have a 125W CFL and have been able to put it within 2" of my seedlings, no problem. This should correct any stretching and make them bushier as they grow.

Emo :peace:bongsmilie
 

darkchildsks

Active Member
I've already put in my 2 cents...

If that is as far as you keep your lights, you need to lower them considerably, those 85 watt lights aren't hot to the touch, and should be about 2 to 3 inches away from your plants. If your ambient air temperature is 81F - 82F (not the best, but far from bad) putting your lights closer won't increase the temp any, and your plants are starting to stretch a little.
 
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redfoxx

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Alrighty! I have an update.

Thanks for all the suggestions, I placed a fan that's blowing across the plants now and lowered the lights considerable, it did raise the temp to about 84F, but with the fan it stays at 79.

They're definitely looking healthier now and as you've noticed, they has 2 new sisters. I will mount the air pump on the side, need to go to HD today and create a little enclosure so that it's light-proof for when my plants hopefully go into flowering.

Here are some pics...

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The lights are now about 5 inches away, only reason i haven't lowered it lower is because i want the new sprouts not to be shocked.

My big question is right now....I have a more powerful 125W grow light from sunhydro. StealthHydro claims that the plants need both the grow and bloom spectrums, but I know that at this point the plants prefer the white light and that's clearly visible from my photos and my plants leaning towards that light. I'm tempted to hang the large white CFL over the plants and later when it's time to bloom, place the warm light on top and maybe buy another one. What do you think dark?
 
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