Cannaventure seeds thread

[quiescent]

Despite getting some herms, all of the seeds that I have germed have popped.

I also dont believe the 'environment' response. I had a few different CV strains and some threw balls and others didnt. My LVTK are great, the ghosts a very low yielder but looks great. The animals all balled out on me and were in the same room, in ROLS getting fed organic tea like all the others.

I guess I forgot about my animal cookies having a couple plants literally becoming banana trees.... That did happen but again it's a cookies strain so unfortunately it's to be expected.

Basically guys we're fucked if we pop seeds, fucked if we don't.

 

[whytewidow]

@quiescent .....No.....I didn't run an entire pack of the Cali Cherries. Was just testing the waters to see if they were up to snuff to put outside this Summer....and if the "Cherry" was anything more than "Cherry Pie". FWIW....I ran that CP clone for 4 cycles and on the 4th...from clone...it hermed on me. I know it's all over in 'rado's gear and a lot of gear now....but it is what it is. I wasn't overly impressed...."OK" pot.....no cherry in mine...kinda had that "Bubba" thing goin on....almost (not a Bubba fan here)..... but it did/does have an incensy smell to the smoke you can not forget/mistake when you walk back in the room. Have always been surprised it gained such favor...but hey.....a lot of stuff out there is that way for my money.

The Cali cherries is the first "fem" that truly hermed on me...bad.....in over 15 years.....and fems or S-1's are all I run. I had 45 plants 5 ft tall year before last..outside....no herms...all fems (mine and Cannarado's). Last year I did 22....all fems....half CVS...half 'rado....and again.....no visible fems. (though I have found an errant seed here/there....this is in pounds of weed. I keep those!)

I hear ya bill...and you are right...hermies are more prone here in the US....mostly because...for better or worse...folks got burned (literally) buying all those weak Dutch strains for all those years. No, it doesn't hermie (OK...they will...but for arguments sake...)....but nobody here wants Big Bud or Barney's Farm >anything<. We made the trip over to smoke our heads off and ended up smoking hash all week cus the weed was so damn horrible overall. Probably not a good representation of the pot there (you and others may have)....kinda like here and the dispensaries.....but even so.....what they were calling "thai" and "kush" and other stuff wouldn't have garnered a cent here stateside. Looked like the old Mexischwag we got in the 70's....and it was in every shop...sold as some "exotic" sativa....

And I hear ya on the "boy bomb" thing. The last M/F seeds I ran were alien's gear. 6 full packs...all over the board on his strains he hyped at the Farm...Alien Rock candy...Alien Afterburner..alien dogshit...Alien Hay... Out of 60 seeds I got 8 females....and none of them were for shit. total crap. 4 months wasted time.....garden completely knocked out of service... and that was it for regular seeds for me. I've never looked back. I was told I didn't follow his "feed schedule"...and thus....the high ratio of males/blahblahlbah. Yeah...right. However..in the end I was more pissed at myself fot climbing on the hype train than anyone else...and some folks here are guily of that as well. It is what it is though. If you can't afford to play....you shouldn't...whatever the reason/whatever shit happens.....

But it >is< getting deluded out there badly. This drop is evidence of that. The same stuff all wrapped together/crossed together...and back on each other...and on and on. Still good stuff...but how ;long will it be before the bottom drops out? How many times can you cross this plant? I guess folks are gonna find out...huh?

If a breeder says you got a high male ratio bc of how you germed or feed. Then hes a complete fucking moron. Beyond a moron. The dumbest fuck on the planet. Seed sex is decided the moment of conception. I've heard keep it warmer while germing for higher rates of females. That's like saying if your wife is pregnant keep her indoors dont go out in the cold and she will have a daughter. You learn that in basic 7th grade science class. The pistil either gets xx or xy pollen granule. Then transfer the DNA down into the calyxe. Already determined at that point male or female.

 

[Opie1971]

If a breeder says you got a high male ratio bc of how you germed or feed. Then hes a complete fucking moron. Beyond a moron. The dumbest fuck on the planet. Seed sex is decided the moment of conception. I've heard keep it warmer while germing for higher rates of females. That's like saying if your wife is pregnant keep her indoors dont go out in the cold and she will have a daughter. You learn that in basic 7th grade science class. The pistil either gets xx or xy pollen granule. Then transfer the DNA down into the calyxe. Already determined at that point male or female.

Yes, this is 100% true, I've heard different people say things like light spectrum, environment/temps,etc, etc, can influence the sex of seeds. That stuff is total BULLSHIT.

 

[whytewidow]

Yes, this is 100% true, I've heard different people say things like light spectrum, environment/temps,etc, etc, can influence the sex of seeds. That stuff is total BULLSHIT.

Yeah.... it's all bullshit. When the pollen sends DNA down to the ovul tube. It sends I think its 9 pair of chromosome plus a sex chromosome. Which then meet with autosomes. Which pair up. And determine male or female. Xy sets the X chromosome is bigger than all the autosomes. In the 9 pairs. And now the sex tests can tell if it carries the Y chromosome in the cotyledons right after germination. Why???? Bc it's already male or female. The first testing you had to wait a few days or a week then send a leaf sample in. Now you can cut off a cotyledon as soon as it germs smash it on slide. And they can tell you male or female.

Edit: here this testing was done on a ungermed seed embryo. Which in the dried seed stage before germing it had the sex chromosome already. Which CAN NOT BE CHANGED BY OUTSIDE ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS.

The karyotype has 18 autosomes plus a sex chromosome pair (XX in female and XY in male plants). The autosomes are difficult to distinguish morphologically, but three pairs could be distinguished using the probes. The Y chromosome is larger than the autosomes, and carries a fully heterochromatic DAPI positive arm and CS-1 repeats only on the less intensely DAPI-stained, euchromatic arm. The X is the largest chromosome of all, and carries CS-1 subtelomeric repeats on both arms. The meiotic configuration of the sex bivalent locates a pseudoautosomal region of the Y chromosome at the end of the euchromatic CS-1-carrying arm. Our molecular cytogenetic study of the C. sativa sex chromosomes is a starting point for helping to make C. sativa a promising model to study sex chromosome evolution.

 

[coppershot]

I guess I forgot about my animal cookies having a couple plants literally becoming banana trees.... That did happen but again it's a cookies strain so unfortunately it's to be expected.

Basically guys we're fucked if we pop seeds, fucked if we don't.

Agreed. I am not mad, perhaps disappointed, but I was also prepared for it. I wish it happened at week 7 or 8 rather then 2/3 lol

 

[AuBlue]

I also dont believe the 'environment' response.

Are you referring to: the Seed Breeders replies "Its the environment responsible for Growers of their plants going hermies?
If so, I totally agree.

I have found by experience, turning the water/nutrient off on day 7 of 12/12 and leave drained until the plant turns to rag. Instant Hermies, just add water. That’s what happened. What not to do?

Note: Our Temps of >40C are the only reason this severe drying occurred.
Many growers could turn off pumps for 6hrs with little effect.
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I shared my experience to point out the type of stress required to push an otherwise hermies free strain to self pollinate.
I have 4 plants per 900x900 area, each is on separated identical nutrient/pump system.

1 hydro pump was accidently switched off in dark cycle, it was noticed 6 hrs after lights on.
The plant had gone to the rag state; growing tips lying flat on system beside trunk.

Surprisingly, the plant recovered with little visible damage to tips.
Finished with 1/3rd the stretch of other 3 unaffected clones.
Had half the crop of those unaffected and produced flowers with male/female parts on the same organ.

I just wanted to share my experience with some very extreme treatment.
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I had a few different CV strains and some threw balls and others didnt. My LVTK are great, the ghosts a very low yielder but looks great. The animals all balled out on me and were in the same room, in ROLS getting fed organic tea like all the others.

Let’s say 4x Ghost OG in 900x900 Area?

For a reference: With Skunk#1, I get an easy 2.5ounce a plant. (4x in 900x900mm Area, no training)
What do you think the Ghost OG would produce in comparison?

 

[coppershot]

@AuBlue
My comment was too general and I should have perhaps been more specific. I do believe the environmental factors can influence plants, however, in this case there are many documented issues with herms. As such, I believe that other factors aside from environment are likely at play. Again I am not complaining though.

I had one ghost throw balls so I gifted it to a buddy who is okay with that. It was super bushy and wide and would have yielded well. The second one that I have going is more vine like with golf ball tops. I run a scrog and perhaps I should have just let it grow rather than manipulating it. We will see how the few joints I get smoke.

 

[Amos Otis]

Can anyone chime in I have a confused pure raspberry kush. Had no luck with this strain 1 was ok but pathetic yeild I tossed 2 mutants that wouldn't grow and now this feminized prkView attachment 4269296

Yeah, we talked all about it a couple months ago, and the conclusion, based on Rusty's remarks to me is that, because of many complaints about pathetic yield / runt plants, he deemed he had made a bad batch. I received replacements of a 'new batch', and the plant I recently finished was done at 63 days, medium yield, and very good smoke. Pics posted previously. I figure mating PRK to Jelly Pie should up the yield and add to the delicious flavor.

 

[dstroy]

6 LVTK week 8



Forgot a pic of #4.

 

[AuBlue]

I had one ghost throw balls

That is bad news for me. For $30 AUD a seed, I am out.
I have been following the remarks around hermies events in CV stains containing Trangle Kush.
If I wanted to grow Triangle Kush it would not bother me, outside it could do no harm.

But when it comes to breeding, I want to be 100% sure the polination was between my hybrid and Ghost OG female. Either the Ghost offering pollen or the genetic propensity to hermie is no good

 

[Chunky Stool]

cannavernture herm reports have been around and I have been growing cannaventure for almost 10 years now. definitely herm prone. but fireto be found.

Fuck.
This is not good news. LVTK will herm for sure in my environment.
Wish I had known this before buying CV beans because I avoid hermie prone gear like the plague.

On a positive note, I grew 'Half & Half' outdoors last year and had zero problems with hermies.

 

[Jimmyclone42]

Got my replacement beans today from rusty

 

[Amos Otis]

On a positive note, I grew 'Half & Half' outdoors last year and had zero problems with hermies.

Ironically, that's the one that should be hermie prone.

 

[quiescent]

Fuck.
This is not good news. LVTK will herm for sure in my environment.
Wish I had known this before buying CV beans because I avoid hermie prone gear like the plague.

On a positive note, I grew 'Half & Half' outdoors last year and had zero problems with hermies.

Take a chance, bro, Columbus did. Just no raping or pillaging and it'll be alright.

I'm sure you'll find plenty of sexually stable plants in your lvtk packs, likely all of them will be fine. I haven't seen many people having issues with lvtk, at least not in the past year or so. Triangle kush has a risk associated with it but not anywhere near where a chem or trainwreck is. Also lemon skunk crosses usually are very stable, you're not gonna need to change course imo.

This hive mind thing is really nice when the thread is going along without this recent "GPS vibe" lol.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Well I guess I'll add on to the shit show. Hurkle #1 has a ball on it, it should just be a pluck and done nut sack but it is there and these girls had a good run all the way through.

So far 1 lemon crash had to come down and one has had several small preflower type balls plucked and now hurkle #1(haog leaner) drops a nut. Now super pissed or anything but she can't be used for chucking if she turns out nice which sucks.

The pic is shitty cuz the damn camera kept trying to zoom in past the plant and focus on the garden in the background but that's a small ball forming.


Edit: I thought I posted this like an hour ago, lol.

 

[Heisenbeans]

Well I guess I'll add on to the shit show. Hurkle #1 has a ball on it, it should just be a pluck and done nut sack but it is there and these girls had a good run all the way through.

So far 1 lemon crash had to come down and one has had several small preflower type balls plucked and now hurkle #1(haog leaner) drops a nut. Now super pissed or anything but she can't be used for chucking if she turns out nice which sucks.

The pic is shitty cuz the damn camera kept trying to zoom in past the plant and focus on the garden in the background but that's a small ball forming.
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Edit: I thought I posted this like an hour ago, lol.

What you just said right there. Cant be used for chucking cause of the ball. Why the fuck these breeders are using plants that hermie to breed with is beyond my comprehension. They know there gonna pass it on and produce hermie plants.
Any plant in my stable that throws a stray nut gets destroyed I dont give a shit how good it is. I'll find another to replace it. The end

 

[Bodyne]

What you just said right there. Cant be used for chucking cause of the ball. Why the fuck these breeders are using plants that hermie to breed with is beyond my comprehension. They know there gonna pass it on and produce hermie plants.
Any plant in my stable that throws a stray nut gets destroyed I dont give a shit how good it is. I'll find another to replace it. The end

thing is, its a tough call. What one person throws out grows fine for others? Many of us are growing the same strains, same batch o beans and not having any balls or troubles. Can't explain it if its same beans, diff gardens but all gardens are on point. Can't explain it.

 

[wierdly]

New here been lurking a while, growing since 94, I wonder how many of the Herms came from people using tents, zippers , exhaust vents,= LIGHT LEAKS, never any problem with CV just germination, but Rusty hooked me up as soon as I emailed him .
Didint even ask for replacements and he sent me two packs.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Take a chance, bro, Columbus did. Just no raping or pillaging and it'll be alright.

I'm sure you'll find plenty of sexually stable plants in your lvtk packs, likely all of them will be fine. I haven't seen many people having issues with lvtk, at least not in the past year or so. Triangle kush has a risk associated with it but not anywhere near where a chem or trainwreck is. Also lemon skunk crosses usually are very stable, you're not gonna need to change course imo.

This hive mind thing is really nice when the thread is going along without this recent "GPS vibe" lol.

I really dig cannabis but don't have the time or patience to fuss over each plant constantly looking for boy parts. If that means I won't be growing the latest sexy strains, that's OK.
Since this is a cannaventure thread, I should mention that my triple novas are also showing some weird shit. I knew they had been pollinated but thought it came from male flowers on the OBS. Now I'm not so sure, but have not been able to find any boy parts on the TN plants.
I'm seeing buds that are *completely* pollinated and full of seeds, but other nearby buds on the same plant have few if any seeds.
Again, zero male flowers -- and I pulled one of the seedy buds and dissected it to see if any male flowers had become engulfed.
Nothing.
I've seen this before with other strains. They had a few seeds but I never found any male flowers.

 

[Chunky Stool]

New here been lurking a while, growing since 94, I wonder how many of the Herms came from people using tents, zippers , exhaust vents,= LIGHT LEAKS, never any problem with CV just germination, but Rusty hooked me up as soon as I emailed him .
Didint even ask for replacements and he sent me two packs.

If a strain herms because of a fucking zipper leak on a tent, it's a shitty strain. Same goes for tiny lights on humidifers, fans, etc...