outliergenetix
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the potcast is my jam. his interviews are spectacular i listened to the bodhi one many times. the one with my man from DVG was also a repeat listen
bodhi seeds
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jayblaze710
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I ask this question every single time I see comments like this, who works lines? Who has ever worked lines? DJ Short. Peak. Grimm I guess. Anyone else?
On top of that, when someone says consistent and stable lines, I hear “consistently mediocre”. Breeding for stable phenos also means breeding for the median. Less variance means you’re getting rid of those poor phenos, but also getting rid of the really stellar ones. With cannabis, it’s so easy to maintain mothers and clone, that I would argue that variability is a good thing. I also believe that inbreeding depression is the primary reason why DJ Short has seemed to drop off in quality since the early 90s.
Now depending on the situation, that may not be true. If you’re growing outdoors and have to run everything from seed, then consistency and stability are good things. Most of the cannabis industry is moving the opposite direction though.
People like to equate the cannabis breeding to vegetable breeding in a derogatory way. But cannabis is more like fruit breeding. Tons of hybrids. Tons of clones. The elite plants are clones, marketed and sold to the public.
growslut
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He is arrogant. "Hey Adam, did you used to live in Amsterdam?" Lol, dude brought it up 100 times in the interview. For no reason.
Does anyone have a link to that Bodhi Pot Cast?
outliergenetix
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the parable of the mustard seed is in the bible for a reason
Glad you showed me the way for I just been growing weed for two years.thank you.
by the way how long you been growing weed?
You ask who works lines?Thats easy A GOOD BREADER OF POT DOS.
outliergenetix
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i don't think you understand bodhis mission. he is preserving the genetic diversity by spreading genetics he finds all over the world via his vast network. his testers work the lines and do with them what they want and there are allot of testers for an icon like bodhi. i suggest the potcast interview so maybe you get an idea what is going on here. cheers dude, it is cool you asked that in a respectful way, unlike some other knucklehead in this thread, no name need be mentioned.
this is about preservingthe plant that this budding industry is killing, pun intended ;0
we cannot keep selecting for a narrow set of expressions or we destroy a millenia of work god did to get cannabis to this point. i don't think bodhi claims to be a breeder in the sense you say or the tradityional sense, his mission is much much more important. if it were not for ppl like bodhi we would lose more than rks, which at this point we lost with only 2 decades of selection because we didn't want to grow something that stinky and indentifiableat the peak of the on the war on drugs in the u.s.a before carbon filters existed. it was impossible so now it is gone
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Homegrown5257
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BrEEder or chucker i don't think it matters to much how you wanna call it. It's pretty obvious he's doing something right putting out all that fire and all them options. He is kind of a big deal and he doesn't ask a arm and a leg for little sack of seeds. With that said he don't have take stuff out to f10 for me
SFnone
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Pinesoul x Orgasmatron Tester Report:
There are two different phenos with this one- one is tall and skinny, with smaller, more coloful buds, and one is short and compact, with big baseball sized nugs. Once dried both have a semi-dense, styrofoam peanut feel, and if broken apart, the remains appear to move, sort of like how bonito flakes seem to wiggle.
The high is relaxing and blissfully foggy, leaving you walking around as if floating on a cloud. Indulge too much, and a warm and sleepy feeling comes on, making it a good choice for nighttime use. The come down is gentle and not taxing in the least.
The smell is maybe my favorite of all time. It starts off as a fruity chocolate thing, but shifts to a more pine-cleaner scent, with floral, cedar/juniper, berry sharpie notes. It has a pungent-ness- not stinky, but sharp- and reminds me of a woodsy perfume.
The taste is similar to the smell, but not as strong. Some have more berry in them, and some have a slightly minty, marshmallow/vanilla undertone.
Of 7 seeds planted, all popped out, resulting in 3 males and 4 females. 5 had maroon stalks and stems, 2 were solid green. Other than the difference in appearence, all the plants were more or less the same in effect, yeild, smell and taste.
The Specifics:
Flower Time- 60-70 days
Stretch- some have almost no stretch, others are fairly stretchy
Issues- no issues of any kind
Plant Size- some are tall and skinny, others are short and fat.
Yield- med. for all
Aroma- wonderful pine, lavender cedar/juniper, fruity chocolate, berry sharpie... maybe a little "dogshit" in there too. Simply beautiful. 10 out of 10
Flavor- similar to the taste, with some being more berry, some being more dessert-esque... doesn't come through quite as strong as the piercing bouquet that is the smell. 7 out of 10
Effect- calming and snuggly body, with a happy cloudy head. Also lasts quite a while. 8 out of 10
Bag Appeal- 9 out of 10... ( this is hard for me to determine, because people like different things, but for the most part i think everybody will like this- great smell, good high, nice sticky buds- some big, some small, all very sticky.
Overall Impression- This strain is good... It's not the best I've ever had, but it is one of the better ones. I give it an 8.5 out of 10.
Keeper?- yes. The high isn't perfect, but is good enough to keep around. The smell and terps however, is a personal favorite.
Final Word: From what I grew, this isn't a totally blow-you away powerhouse strain, but it is good enough to where i would buy and grow it again. I also think that with some hunting one could find a real gem. And i forgot to mention that it grows fine outdoors, but would probably do better inside. sorry if this was long.
There are two different phenos with this one- one is tall and skinny, with smaller, more coloful buds, and one is short and compact, with big baseball sized nugs. Once dried both have a semi-dense, styrofoam peanut feel, and if broken apart, the remains appear to move, sort of like how bonito flakes seem to wiggle.
The high is relaxing and blissfully foggy, leaving you walking around as if floating on a cloud. Indulge too much, and a warm and sleepy feeling comes on, making it a good choice for nighttime use. The come down is gentle and not taxing in the least.
The smell is maybe my favorite of all time. It starts off as a fruity chocolate thing, but shifts to a more pine-cleaner scent, with floral, cedar/juniper, berry sharpie notes. It has a pungent-ness- not stinky, but sharp- and reminds me of a woodsy perfume.
The taste is similar to the smell, but not as strong. Some have more berry in them, and some have a slightly minty, marshmallow/vanilla undertone.
Of 7 seeds planted, all popped out, resulting in 3 males and 4 females. 5 had maroon stalks and stems, 2 were solid green. Other than the difference in appearence, all the plants were more or less the same in effect, yeild, smell and taste.
The Specifics:
Flower Time- 60-70 days
Stretch- some have almost no stretch, others are fairly stretchy
Issues- no issues of any kind
Plant Size- some are tall and skinny, others are short and fat.
Yield- med. for all
Aroma- wonderful pine, lavender cedar/juniper, fruity chocolate, berry sharpie... maybe a little "dogshit" in there too. Simply beautiful. 10 out of 10
Flavor- similar to the taste, with some being more berry, some being more dessert-esque... doesn't come through quite as strong as the piercing bouquet that is the smell. 7 out of 10
Effect- calming and snuggly body, with a happy cloudy head. Also lasts quite a while. 8 out of 10
Bag Appeal- 9 out of 10... ( this is hard for me to determine, because people like different things, but for the most part i think everybody will like this- great smell, good high, nice sticky buds- some big, some small, all very sticky.
Overall Impression- This strain is good... It's not the best I've ever had, but it is one of the better ones. I give it an 8.5 out of 10.
Keeper?- yes. The high isn't perfect, but is good enough to keep around. The smell and terps however, is a personal favorite.
Final Word: From what I grew, this isn't a totally blow-you away powerhouse strain, but it is good enough to where i would buy and grow it again. I also think that with some hunting one could find a real gem. And i forgot to mention that it grows fine outdoors, but would probably do better inside. sorry if this was long.
jayblaze710
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Off and on since high school. More off than on, so maybe 5 years total.
Most of my opinion on breeding comes from far longer than that studying genetics.
I bring this up because this idea of breeders creating their inbred lines are the exception rather than the rule. Pretty much all the major “advances” in cannabis the past 30 years has come through random unintentional breedings (chem, OG, cookies).
Warpedpassage
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Does anyone have any info on the vintage pnw hasplant in the pnw x 88g13hp cross. In particular i wondering if the pnw is same 24year old cut used by coastal seeds in their strain the Puck. Id ask in the coastal thread but not much activity there.
numberfour
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Mothers Milk
Its torture though, no space to pop them until the new year
Its torture though, no space to pop them until the new year
Craigson
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Trust us, this is whats good for cannabis and its future.
All these S1s and backcrosses and breeders claiming using clones is messing up genetics.
Dont get caught up in the cookies/gelato/purple punch fanboy craze.
Can you please elaborate on this a bit? I still don't understand why feminised seeds are bad
outliergenetix
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like minded ppl in here, like you, warm my heart and give me hope
genetic diversity ftw
GreenNucleus
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More Cowbell OGKB, day 25 flower
More Cowbell OKGB day 56 flower
The spectrum of my LEDs really makes it difficult to see the trichomes stacking but under the canopy gives a slightly better view:
Hoping to take this one down in the next 1-5 days. Still not enough amber showing up but I need to reclaim some space.
More Cowbell OKGB day 56 flower
The spectrum of my LEDs really makes it difficult to see the trichomes stacking but under the canopy gives a slightly better view:
Hoping to take this one down in the next 1-5 days. Still not enough amber showing up but I need to reclaim some space.
outliergenetix
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I will attempt to save craigson the trouble since I posted a quazi explaination above already. basically man breeding is selecting for desirable traits when everyone desires the same traits we select for what is making money or what is trendy or back before carbon filtering in the war on drugs we selected for less smell etc... over decades this "loses" the traits we did not select for. this is how many believe rks was lost. it was too stinky to grow on a large scale so it went the way of the dodo.
I am no geneticist but I also think it is detrimental because some traits are inherently more rare and as we move towards a homogenous plant it becomes harder to dig back into the gene pool and get terp profiles and traits that us old heads remember.
in the end genetic diversity is needed to ensure the plants survival in the long run or else everything wil one day smell and look the same. that is science
it happened in the food and other agriculture industries alreadyon a side note there is so much this industry commercial growers don't understand, things like terps are not the only thing making it smell, for this reason other factrs like bio protectents could be responsible for rks and other rare scents. in other words these are ersponses to their soil or predators etc. things like when a plant puts off pheromones for one insect to attract thekm into hunt an insect that is eating the plant. these smels can be strong and have nothing to do with terps. esters is an example. also I have researched rks in attempt to figure this out and I believe it is possible for reasons I wont go into here but have shared via email with some ppl more capable than me on the subject which is I sulfur in higher amounts causes the skunk smell in some strains. this has to do with how sulfur is used and how it bonds to terps and is already known to replicate the skunk and rotten egg smell in nature under similar scenarios. to be clear this was a 10000ft summary, I may even have used a wrong term its been a year since I sent that email with all my info from reading books on esters and terps not about cannabis
addendum
my stoned ass realized I went on and on and misread the question lol, anyway feminized seeds exponentially ruin diversity by removing literally half the gene pool from the breeding "pair" it is only the genetics of one parent not two. hence many times less diverse. open pollination is what is needed amn, and an indoor industry on top of commercial crop that ppl like one flavor basically of is gonna destroy cannabis in 50 years.
i'd like to add jayblaze pointed out I was only referring to a subset of fems here. he is correct this is not a downside to fems as a whole but a segment of sefling using feminization
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