best nutrients to use in hydro

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southernguy99

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Yeah I could careless what they say or do etc a cheap product is a cheap product , and there is nothing specific about that formula but I guess maybe its what one is comparing it to. and look at the grow program lol sometimes a little common sense can go a long way
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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So far im loving it

Of course im not following the feed chart.

But its great cant wait to see what i can do with it when its dialed in.

Tooks me a few weeks to realize its ph swings now its awsome works better then a ph that rises or at least i like it.
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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maianhjvb said:
Specifically formulated for weed by a company that's been doing specific plant formulas for 45 years.
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Kinda what i figured lol

Ive run advanced ,gh,botanicare, and some canna and i think earth juice in my 15 years.

Never jumped on board with the salts cause i thought they where "cheap" as well

But now im happy as a clam so far.

When i chose a replacment i had it narrowed down to

Veg +bloom,mega crop, and jacks

I chose hydrogardens cause everybody does jacks and i like to be differnt :)

I chose it over the others listed.becayse they have bio stims in them which make them dark.

Chem gro us almost CLEAR and for a guy thats used brown water for over 10 years the clear is a welcomed change of veiw haha. Nice bone white roots
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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@southernguy99 I’m not getting that your formulations are needed (you make it sound like the premixed won’t grow pot) when everything I see suggested here does a great job? Are your plants grown with your formulations that much better? I haven’t searched but do you have any pics of your grows and surely you must have some lab reports of your product re brix levels, thc, etc.
 
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southernguy99

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No Budley mine are not needed never said they were, the op question was best nutrients to use in hydo , well i'm simply stating that is the highest quality element you can get, mixed properly, none of this store bought pre-mix can come close.
It depends on what your growing expectations are or what you can compare to, what does one consider a great job ? some people grow a plant and get 80-100 g and are happy as they should be but someone will grow the same plant and shoot to get a pound or more off it, I mean everyone grows different , so grow small little plants , some medium size , some grow large etc some people shoot for 1/2 g watt some shoot for 1g a watt and some shoot for much more .so there is a difference to what one may think is great, to what can actually be achieved.
we have done testing side by side in controlled rooms so the only factor that was different was the nutes and in no way could the bottled nuts come close, veg times plant grow etc flowers, yield etc , I guess if you never seen this side by side you wouldn't understand, but we could do at least double to what the bottle nutes were doing , and thats all I'm saying bottle nutes and per-mixed stuff is a one size fits all, and can only achieve so much , and if anyone wants to take it to the next level learn about the quality of elements, how to mix your own and play with some formulas.Everything I said here can be easily researched. there is many journals on element how they interact and how to feed. most people don't know the term 6 pack or what it is look it up learn how to do it. its a start .

so a year ago you thought the brown water was the way to go, now you realize chem gro almost clear water is better, then why do you not think by going to better quality elements crystal clear water and a proper feed scheduled can't be better yet? not sure what looks funny, I'm a hydro guy inside and out but I'm starting to think i'd like to learn organics, it would cool to grow a pound plant or better in a 7 gallon pot using water
 
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Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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southernguy99 said:
No Budley mine are not needed never said they were, the op question was best nutrients to use in hydo , well i'm simply stating that is the highest quality element you can get, mixed properly, none of this store bought pre-mix can come close.
It depends on what your growing expectations are or what you can compare to, what does one consider a great job ? some people grow a plant and get 80-100 g and are happy as they should be but someone will grow the same plant and shoot to get a pound or more off it, I mean everyone grows different , so grow small little plants , some medium size , some grow large etc some people shoot for 1/2 g watt some shoot for 1g a watt and some shoot for much more .so there is a difference to what one may think is great, to what can actually be achieved.
we have done testing side by side in controlled rooms so the only factor that was different was the nutes and in no way could the bottled nuts come close, veg times plant grow etc flowers, yield etc , I guess if you never seen this side by side you wouldn't understand, but we could do at least double to what the bottle nutes were doing , and thats all I'm saying bottle nutes and per-mixed stuff is a one size fits all, and can only achieve so much , and if anyone wants to take it to the next level learn about the quality of elements, how to mix your own and play with some formulas.Everything I said here can be easily researched. there is many journals on element how they interact and how to feed. most people don't know the term 6 pack or what it is look it up learn how to do it. its a start .

so a year ago you thought the brown water was the way to go, now you realize chem gro almost clear water is better, then why do you not think by going to better quality elements crystal clear water and a proper feed scheduled can't be better yet? not sure what looks funny, I'm a hydro guy inside and out but I'm starting to think i'd like to learn organics, it would cool to grow a pound plant or better in a 7 gallon pot using water
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Yes your right you didn’t say needed, I guess I just read that into it and yes your right about how far one wants to take it. My question is really does it make that much difference and to answer that I guess it’s up to me to find out if I desire :).
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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Agreed i love my plants as much as the next guy but at some point i got shit to do and learning more chemistry
Just doesnt sound appealing although i wish i would:)

so i pay the guys at hydrogardens to figur thats out roughly and i tweak it till i see the plant is happiest
 
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southernguy99

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yes Budley it makes a difference in every aspect, and it doesn't matter what scale you grow on its all the same, in our tests what we found out is in veg our 2.5 to 3 week veg time was equal to at least 5 weeks of any bottles nutes, and out plants were still bigger and healthier, so we save on nutes , time lights etc. in flower the same thing we would save some time but not a lot but our plants was bigger healthier stronger, which translates to stronger/more bud sites bigger fuller buds much more oil aroma's , many many more trichomes way frostier, bigger fatter with really nice colors, and at least double the yield. better heat /stress and disease tolerant if anything happened , not to mention we saved a fuck load on nutes. now if you guys can't do this or won't or are to lazy to and want to call BS and all that other shit feel free no sweat of my ass, otherwise I'd say at least do the basic 6 pack and see for yourself,
 
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Bernie420

Bernie420

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So I've been researching nutrients some, watching videos, reading threads trying to get a better grip on things and I think I got more stupid than before I started if thats even possible so...

If I add 1 gram of calcium nitrate to 1 gram of chem-grow I'll have a a nutrient ratio of 20.5/20/39 and if I add 1 gram of MPK to those two grams I"ll have a nutrient of a ratio of 20.5/72/73. Is that right?

I guess i'm asking with dry nutes is everything 1:1 by dry weight.

Now if I add only a half a gram of calcium nitrate to the 1 gram of chem-gro will I have a nutrient of 11.75/20/39.

If I add the RAW brand phosphorous 9/61/0 to my chem-gro will I have a nutrient of 13/81/39 at a 1:1 ratio?

and what ratio should I be at for growing cannabis? Is there an answer for that or is it all just subjective? Switching from bottle to dry is making me think to much about it.
 
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southernguy99

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Bernie420 look up a couple posts and look at the Thcfarmer thread I posted then go to post 12 of that thread. it shows everything pretty good lists what you need and shows how much to mix and gives ppm values at the bottom . I never used that one my formulas are more next level ones but dong some math in my head I would say thats a very good starting place.
 
Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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Hey guys, some of this may help decipher what our new member is claiming as his own super secret recipe and knowledge.
Granted, I've not read every post, but the first one showed quotes verbatim from here.
https://www.agriculturesolutions.ca/blog/tag/nutrient interaction

People should cite their info and not claim it as there own. Tsk tsk

And if you really want your formula broken down @im4satori is super helpful at calculating exact ratios for hydro. Last I checked he was converting to ROLS but he really knows his stuff when it comes to hydro.
HTH
 
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PetFlora

PetFlora

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southernguy99 said:
No Budley mine are not needed never said they were, the op question was best nutrients to use in hydo , well i'm simply stating that is the highest quality element you can get, mixed properly, none of this store bought pre-mix can come close.
It depends on what your growing expectations are or what you can compare to, what does one consider a great job ? some people grow a plant and get 80-100 g and are happy as they should be but someone will grow the same plant and shoot to get a pound or more off it, I mean everyone grows different , so grow small little plants , some medium size , some grow large etc some people shoot for 1/2 g watt some shoot for 1g a watt and some shoot for much more .so there is a difference to what one may think is great, to what can actually be achieved.
we have done testing side by side in controlled rooms so the only factor that was different was the nutes and in no way could the bottled nuts come close, veg times plant grow etc flowers, yield etc , I guess if you never seen this side by side you wouldn't understand, but we could do at least double to what the bottle nutes were doing , and thats all I'm saying bottle nutes and per-mixed stuff is a one size fits all, and can only achieve so much , and if anyone wants to take it to the next level learn about the quality of elements, how to mix your own and play with some formulas.Everything I said here can be easily researched. there is many journals on element how they interact and how to feed. most people don't know the term 6 pack or what it is look it up learn how to do it. its a start .

so a year ago you thought the brown water was the way to go, now you realize chem gro almost clear water is better, then why do you not think by going to better quality elements crystal clear water and a proper feed scheduled can't be better yet? not sure what looks funny, I'm a hydro guy inside and out but I'm starting to think i'd like to learn organics, it would cool to grow a pound plant or better in a 7 gallon pot using water
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Where this was true, IMO, newer players in the nutrient arena have significantly upped their game. While I had excellent grows using Veg + Bloom some 3 years ago, I could not get it out of my head that it provided too much N during Bloom. I switched to Emerald Harvest (also excellent), but quickly tired of mixing 6 bottles, so I switched to NPK RAW veg and bloom, but my dumb ass couldn't leave well enough alone and added humic, which was no bueno. They recommended microbes, not realizing Im a hydro grower, that too screwed things up. They then said to use aminos and enzymes instead of microbes, which worked great. Since I still have enough EH for several grows I decided to use it until I run out, but hope to have enough females to run one system with MC, which also looks complete
 
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