Gorilla Bubble

Hairiest_Stamen

Hairiest_Stamen

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Not too impressed so far with the gorilla bubble. 5/5 germinated in paper towels, only 3/5 popped above ground. 100 % success on the other 15 seeds I started.
Not only that but the GB seedlings are way behind, and seem to be tiny little mutants. Probably some user error obviously.
Lower left is the GB... other 3 are a different strain.

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antonioverde

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Recessive trait segregation from backcrossing. I'd Pop the rest. Those recessives are anywhere from 5 to ten percent of the line depending on what version you have. If you have 3 plants you're not giving yourself much of a chance statistically? Are those an early Bx or late?
 
Uncle Reefer

Uncle Reefer

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Hairiest_Stamen said:
Not too impressed so far with the gorilla bubble. 5/5 germinated in paper towels, only 3/5 popped above ground. 100 % success on the other 15 seeds I started.
Not only that but the GB seedlings are way behind, and seem to be tiny little mutants. Probably some user error obviously.
Lower left is the GB... other 3 are a different strain.

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it is certainly something in the dirt, just let it grow and see what you get, if it dies it dies, if it lives then it will recover.
Seeds can be really hard, even for experienced growers. I personally have a harder time with seeds than any other aspsect of growing. By far a harder time. But you only need to win the lottery once
 
Hairiest_Stamen

Hairiest_Stamen

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antonioverde said:
Recessive trait segregation from backcrossing. I'd Pop the rest. Those recessives are anywhere from 5 to ten percent of the line depending on what version you have. If you have 3 plants you're not giving yourself much of a chance statistically? Are those an early Bx or late?
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These are BX1F1. Plan was to do 5 out of 10 and hope for 2 to 3 females, and have some seeds for another grow. Now out of 3... I'm hoping for 1 to 2.
 
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antonioverde

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Good luck man. I kind of figured they were earlier bx work. Those have about 10% or so roughly recessed sour bubble leaners. Basically what you are looking at is a sour bubble phenotype that is inbred even further than sour b. The good news is that line you have is full of fire in the top end of the pheno ratios.
The segregation of traits is something that happens when you bx a line. Despite what some breeders will say if you are bxing to a heterozygous recurring parent like gg4 you will get trait segregation as the alleles become homozygous. This will lead to traits separating and breeding true by different phenos and not the whole line. Unless you have a homozygous recurring parent you cannot get to a true breeding line in totality by back crossing alone.
As you go along those recessives start to delete themselves. For example I just ran through a couple hundred each bx3 and bx4 doing selections and those "runt" sour b recessive phenos are present in less than 5%.

If you keep those sour b leaners you will be in for a long veg. If you don't want to toss em set em to the side and forget about them for awhile.
It is easy to spot the phenos from sprout in these gb lines because of the segregation. The glue leaners will be taller and faster very obviously from sprout. Good flowers from those sour b leaners but they are as slow or slower than sour b due to more recessives linked up in homozygous pairs.
Sounds like what you want is in the other half of your pack most likely.
Good luck hope you find a winner. The numbers are in your favor.
 
Hairiest_Stamen

Hairiest_Stamen

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Uncle Reefer said:
it is certainly something in the dirt, just let it grow and see what you get, if it dies it dies, if it lives then it will recover.
Seeds can be really hard, even for experienced growers. I personally have a harder time with seeds than any other aspsect of growing. By far a harder time. But you only need to win the lottery once
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Could be... I'm using ~70% miracle grow seed starting mix, ~30% perlite. Been using it for years successfully with hundreds of seeds (non weed). It's pretty mild stuff, npk is 0.03, 0.03, 0.03. Last watering gave them 150 ppm of fox farm grow big in RO water. I weigh the solo cups before watering to make sure they are close to dry in order to avoid over watering issues.
 
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antonioverde

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Also is that bagged soil? I can see a couple burned tips it looks like. I'd also double check for thrips just to cover all bases. They can reek havoc on seedlings and like to munch the growing tips and can cause slow growth and mutation.

Hope these comments are helpful to you.

Edit: just saw your previous comment.
 
Hairiest_Stamen

Hairiest_Stamen

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antonioverde said:
Also is that bagged soil? I can see a couple burned tips it looks like. I'd also double check for thrips just to cover all bases. They can reek havoc on seedlings and like to munch the growing tips and can cause slow growth and mutation.

Hope these comments are helpful to you.
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Yes bagged...I replied above with my grow medium. Only did 150 ppm (if that) and will probably drop it way back to 75ppm or flush if the tip burn worsens. So far the burn hasn't migrated in a couple of days so I may be ok.

I had thrips before months ago... I'll examine the leaves when I get home. I generally do a light spray of neem on at least the soil to keep any fungus gnats at bay.
 
Hairiest_Stamen

Hairiest_Stamen

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antonioverde said:
Good luck man. I kind of figured they were earlier bx work. Those have about 10% or so roughly recessed sour bubble leaners. Basically what you are looking at is a sour bubble phenotype that is inbred even further than sour b. The good news is that line you have is full of fire in the top end of the pheno ratios.
The segregation of traits is something that happens when you bx a line. Despite what some breeders will say if you are bxing to a heterozygous recurring parent like gg4 you will get trait segregation as the alleles become homozygous. This will lead to traits separating and breeding true by different phenos and not the whole line. Unless you have a homozygous recurring parent you cannot get to a true breeding line in totality by back crossing alone.
As you go along those recessives start to delete themselves. For example I just ran through a couple hundred each bx3 and bx4 doing selections and those "runt" sour b recessive phenos are present in less than 5%.

If you keep those sour b leaners you will be in for a long veg. If you don't want to toss em set em to the side and forget about them for awhile.
It is easy to spot the phenos from sprout in these gb lines because of the segregation. The glue leaners will be taller and faster very obviously from sprout. Good flowers from those sour b leaners but they are as slow or slower than sour b due to more recessives linked up in homozygous pairs.
Sounds like what you want is in the other half of your pack most likely.
Good luck hope you find a winner. The numbers are in your favor.
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I'll have to reread this post again a few times, as I don't know much about breeding.
I may pop the other 5. I've got a 3'x6' footprint for flower and 15 seedlings currently. figured id end up with 7 or 8 females in 3 gallon smart pots. I can increase that to 4.5'x6' to veg more plants if need be. 3x6 area w/7 ft ceiling.. going to be tight!
 
ClueBot

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Hey I don't want to hijack but I was hoping someone with exp with this strain could give me some advice? If you could only get 1 pack from Tonys gg bx line what version would you consider?

I really want to get a keeper GG pheno to get as close as I can to the clone only so from my research bx4 would probably be the best bet, but I have also read a lot of people getting amazing keepers out of the bx2 and they are a lot cheaper. I know you have potential with all of his bx lines just trying to make the most out of my hard earned pennies haha.

Can't wait to get these genetics tho
 
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antonioverde

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4 20 18 dropping lime gb x Gorilla dubble, gorilla dubble x gb bx4, later on in the year bx4 fems, bx4f1, waiting on another friends gg4 bx4 project to cross to my bx4 for a recombinant inbred line, will have pine tar kush x gb f2s later (real ptk ) :).
Gonna do a nice 420 sale and release a few packs of unreleased gear to.

GB will eventually be a true breeding line either by s4, bx4f10s or the RIL bred down. Just need time!

Some bad ass collaboration coming out with antennae seeds a bit after 420. Stay tuned and spred the word.

Will have rec legal here soon then all hell breaks loose and I can move faster. Need to fund more equipment so every dollar spent will go to a good cause.

I risked my ass for half a decade in a militant ass state making Gb so I'm glad people enjoy them. The cuffs are coming off soon.

Cheers!
 
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