Blood and Soil

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CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. ― Once again, white supremacists and the aggressive fringe groups that show up to meet them took over an American city that never wanted them in the first place, enveloping the area in violence.

On Saturday, thousands of “alt right” members, white supremacists and other fringe groups took to the streets in Charlottesville for what the supremacists called a “Unite the Right” rally that drew notorious far-right figures including Richard Spencer ― a white nationalist perhaps best known for being punched in the face after President Donald Trump’s inauguration ― alongside thousands of counter-protesters.

The supremacists were met by counter protestors Antifa, a fringe left radical group that often wears black to disguise themselves. Violence was met on both sides, causing a declaration of a “local emergency” by the Charlottesville Police Department.

Tensions were high well before the scheduled noon rally. As they marched toward Lee Park, members of the so-called “alt-right” chanted the Nazi phrase “blood and soil!”

Two fences and a line of cops helped to separate the supremacists and counter-protestors. The alt-right side, with their plethora of Confederate flags and Nazi memorabilia on full display, began chanting: “Fuck you faggots.”

Those standing on the sidelines were baffled as to why police weren’t immediately stopping the skirmishes that took over the park.

“If this were Ferguson riot gear, tear gas, everything would have been used, there’s a different standard here in Charlottesville,” said Anthony Bennett, a pastor from Connecticut.

Unidentified militia members brandishing guns also showed up at the scene. As more fights began breaking out, police could be seen putting on riot gear.

As the scheduled time for the rally got closer, hundreds more white supremacists could be seen marching under a banner hung by the city that read “Diversity makes us stronger.”

Just minutes before the noon rally was officially set to begin, police threatened arrest for “unlawful assembly.” Thousands of people began to disperse, but it wasn’t immediately clear where they were going.

Late Friday night, a white nationalist march at the University of Virginia campus painted a sobering picture of what was to come. A torch-bearing procession of hundreds that included Spencer and at least one man wearing a Nazi SS T-shirt and another carrying a bat, ended with a clash at the campus rotunda where a Thomas Jefferson statue stands. Spencer admitted on Twitter that a group surrounded counter-protesters at the statue.

Counter-protesters told HuffPost that some among their ranks were then hit with some type of irritant ― they claim it was mace, unleashed by the white supremacists. Protesters on the fringe left, who come to these events to battle the fringe right, often try to hide their identities for fear of retaliation.

Some counter-protesters threatened a HuffPost reporter with a gun when he attempted to photograph, from a distance, those recovering from the irritant.

“Don’t make me use my gun on you,” a woman said to a HuffPost reporter, grabbing a holster on her hip.

Punches and torches were thrown during the fracas, but local police eventually dispersed the crowds.

The rally Saturday was thinly disguised on Facebook as an event in support of the statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee downtown, which is slated for removal as the city works to respect diverse voices in its telling of American history. It’s part of a nationwide effort to remove Confederate monuments from public property.

Over 60 Confederate symbols have been removed from city- and state-owned land across the U.S., according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, since avowed white supremacist Dylann Roof massacred nine parishioners at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015. Most recently, the city of New Orleans toppled four statues honoring the Confederacy.

“These efforts have made us a target for folks around the country who oppose telling the full story of race,” Charlottesville Mayor Michael Signer told HuffPost on Friday. “They don’t want the narrative changed or to tell the full story of race. I think this will have the effect of redoubling our progress. To become an honest society, I don’t think we have any choice but to tell the full story.”

The rally’s real purpose, however, shines through in the event’s advertising, which looks a lot like Nazi propaganda and reads like a poorly billed concert.

Meanwhile, Spencer’s followers claimed that that violence was coming to Charlottesville in the form of “roving mobs” of Antifa ― groups of black-clad, masked anti-fascists, anarchists and socialists. It’s a scare tactic that the white nationalists use regularly to pull crowds of people to a city in defense of it. They were able to draw hundreds to Gettysburg over the Fourth of July weekend after claiming members of Antifa were coming to desecrate graves. Antifa never came, but the Ku Klux Klan did, and the only bloodshed came when a lone patriot shot himself in the leg.

The weeks and days leading up to the rally had the city gearing up for war. Indeed, Charlottesville had seen this type of menacing before: White supremacists showed up with torches at the Lee monument in May, an act that evoked Ku Klux Klan symbolism.

Some businesses were closing down Saturday to keep employees safe. Others reportedly opened their doors solely as a safe space in case of an emergency. Some locals were prepared to take drastic measures to protect their city.

“As a lifelong resident of Charlottesville and a mother of two, this is about making the world more equitable for my children,” Leslie Scott-Jones of Solidarity C’Ville wrote in a news release.“I am not naive about the urgent threat of August 12, nor do I believe the threat ends there. ... My family has been here since the 1700′s, this is my home, and I have no other choice than to protect it.”

Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe said Friday that he’d been briefed by the National Guard and was in contact with federal authorities over the event, all of which were on standby to respond.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-nationalist-charlottesville-virginia_us_598e3fa8e4b0909642972007
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
 

SouthCross

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Seems like a lot of folks are seriously pi$$ed off.

Somebody busted up a Dodge Challenger pretty good. It has Antifa head dents all over it.
 

Fogdog

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Those white nationalist fuckers were shown the door out of Portland Oregon a few months back. In Charlotesville, the home of the soon to be excised Robert Lee statue, the police were much more accomodating to white nationalists but the bigots that came from all over the region to attend the march. They were outnumbered, a tally hasn't been stated. Last month at a similar demonstration, more than a thousand counter demonstrators outnumbered the supremacists.

One organizer of the counter demonstration said:
"There is [a] question [of] how legit we will allow this alt-right movement to get," she adds, dismissing Unite the Right organisers' claims that their rally has been called to voice support for freedom of speech.

"They use free speech as a smokescreen to pass on their bigotry, and they don't show up defending the free speech of black, queer or trans activists," Gorcenski explains.

"We are not opposed to their free speech; we are opposed to their bigotry and their violence."


bigotry and hate speech like this:

Asked why the far right has focused on the city, Bellamy points to plans to remove the statue and a fund to invest millions of dollars into marginalised communities.

He adds: "I also think one of the bigger reasons is that we have a young, black vice mayor who is unapologetic in his blackness and who's been getting a lot of support."
 

Fogdog

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Charlottesville, Virginia (CNN)One person was killed and 19 were hurt when a speeding car slammed into a throng of counterprotesters in Charlottesville, where a "Unite the Right" rally of white nationalist and other right-wing groups had been scheduled take place, the city tweeted on its verified account.

The driver was later taken into custody, the city said in a news release. It did not name the person.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-white-nationalists-rally/index.html
 

SneekyNinja

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It is wrong to glorify individuals like Robert E. Lee, who not only endorsed slavery -- they fought to keep it!

He was, and will always be, a racist piece of shit. :finger:
Never understood it... did parts of Germany insist on keeping Hitler statues?

I was in Budapest before and all the statues from the Soviet Union were removed and placed in a single park in the city, this made them still visible as historical pieces without them being prominently displayed in public places they couldn't be avoided.

A solution perhaps?
 

Chunky Stool

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Never understood it... did parts of Germany insist on keeping Hitler statues?

I was in Budapest before and all the statues from the Soviet Union were removed and placed in a single park in the city, this made them still visible as historical pieces without them being prominently displayed in public places they couldn't be avoided.

A solution perhaps?
The difference between southerners and post-war Germans is that Germans were ashamed of what the nazis had done.
Southerners are proud of their racist roots, and claim the south will "rise again"... :dunce: :cuss::dunce:
 

A.K.A. Overgrowem

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Never understood it... did parts of Germany insist on keeping Hitler statues?

I was in Budapest before and all the statues from the Soviet Union were removed and placed in a single park in the city, this made them still visible as historical pieces without them being prominently displayed in public places they couldn't be avoided.

A solution perhaps?
Groups nowdays make places like you suggest shrines and rallying points for their causes, best to remove them from open access. Making Confederate General statues may become a healthy cottage industry.
 

SneekyNinja

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Groups nowdays make places like you suggest shrines and rallying points for their causes, best to remove them from open access. Making Confederate General statues may become a healthy cottage industry.
I dunno... the argument of "artefact of historical importance" seems pretty convincing if you're trying to cut off all access.
 

Fogdog

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I dunno... the argument of "artefact of historical importance" seems pretty convincing if you're trying to cut off all access.
I think Overgrowem has a point. Even a museum would be too dignified of a place to put these relics of slavery and cries from supremacists to restore the statues will never end.

Dump them into an active volcano like Frodo did with the Ring.

The terrorist action today should remind everybody that these touchstones for violence aren't anything like free speech. I'll support white supremacist marches when I see them attend a Black Lives Matters rally or Gay Pride parade in support of their free speech.
 

A.K.A. Overgrowem

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The difference between southerners and post-war Germans is that Germans were ashamed of what the nazis had done.
Southerners are proud of their racist roots, and claim the south will "rise again"... :dunce: :cuss::dunce:
After today, I think they should be melted down. No capitulation to white supremacist terroism.
Watch, these statues (supersized?) are going to start popping up at prominent locations all around. They can be made cheap and many on the conservative side of politics would consider providing a site for a genuine simulated replica civil war hero statue an esteem raising act.
 

A.K.A. Overgrowem

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When all is said and done, what is an estimate/guess as to the total cost of this fiasco? From beginning to end. Hope the sponsor had a large bond as that likely is all their assets. Charlottesville seems to be the deep pockets. and every trial decision will be appealed. It took 10 years to unscramble the Pastor Anderson beating, trial after trial, appeal after appeal. This looks more complicated. I'll guess $100,000,000.00+.
 
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