Christianity, Homosexuality, and the New Covenant

dagwood45431

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By the way, you can't just say that I must like other guys because I do not tolerate homosexuality in my life! Besides the (very) occasional and unwanted intrusive thought, I have never enjoyed such thoughts or even considered a homosexual act being something I enjoy. To me, it's just gross. The bung hole is a one way street haha I don't want nothing getting shoved up in there.
Okay, Queen Bud Twinky must be a put-on, right? It's like he's right out of central casting. I love the panicky faux humor crescendo at the end there.
 

Chunky Stool

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By the way, you can't just say that I must like other guys because I do not tolerate homosexuality in my life! Besides the (very) occasional and unwanted intrusive thought, I have never enjoyed such thoughts or even considered a homosexual act being something I enjoy. To me, it's just gross. The bung hole is a one way street haha I don't want nothing getting shoved up in there.

TO summarize, I am naturally a straight person. Fortunately for me, I don't have to struggle with my own flesh to resist other men because I don't have any attraction towards them. I do, however, struggle mightily with remaining sexually pure as I have had sex with many different women in the past.





I NEVER said I didn't want to discuss certain parts of the Bible.

Where do you want to start? Nowhere in the Bible is "ethnic cleansing" practiced based on ethnicity alone. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah regarded the high percentage of the population there who rebelled against God and were living in total sin. EVEN SO, God himself sent an angel to rescue the select few righteous people (Lot and his family) within the boundaries of the city before it was annihilated. See: Genesis 19



A homosexual act not only damages the purity of the homosexual but also his or her partner. So yeah, there is someone else harmed. The same goes for masturbation, fornication, and adultery though.You can't just do what you want to all the time

Being gay is not a sin, but acting on a homosexual orientation IS a sin. Just as I can't go out and bang hookers as a Christians, gay people can't be having gay sex either. Jesus commanded to "love your neighbor as yourself", so it is up to us as Christians to guide homosexuals from preforming gay acts so that they may be saved
Oh goody! Let's start with ethnic cleansing!
Have you heard of a fellow named Joshua?
 

UncleBuck

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Besides the (very) occasional and unwanted intrusive thought, I have never enjoyed such thoughts or even considered a homosexual act being something I enjoy.
i just read this to my wife and she said "oh that poor confused kid" not even knowing anything else about you.

then i told her about your "girlfriend" who you have pledged abstinence with and she just shook her head and repeated it. "that poor kid"
 

Green Bud Smurfy

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How does it damage them or their partner's purity?

You aren't answering the question of "why" homosexuality is immoral, you are just saying that it is.

Maybe first we should define "harm." Because that is the line where immorality starts; does it harm someone physically, emotionally, financially, etc.?

As far as I can tell, Homosexuality and homosexual acts do not hurt anything or anybody in and of themselves. Same for masturbation in most cases, fornication most cases, and even adultery in some cases such as open marriages where nobody is hurt because both people wanted polygamy.

Secondly, how is being a homosexual, meaning a person that is inherently only attracted to the same sex, not a sin, but performing homosexual acts and being in a consentual homosexual relationship, the logical conclusion of a homosexual fulfilling the innate human desire for love, affection, acceptance, etc. is a sin?

It makes no sense to me.
You're delusional if you think homosexuals don't hurt each other:
1. They live like 20 years less than normal people (a conservative estimate) from the 100's of other fags they bang over their lifetime.
2. They get AIDS, hepatitis A/B, anal warts, chronic diarrhea.
3. Half are problem drinkers and drug addicts. My OWN (gay) UNCLE died in his 40's from an overdose/suicide, so don't tell me that being gay is a healthy think to do for mind and spirit. It's not. In fact, it's very UNHEALTHY and not a biologically sound practice.
4. Homosexuals make up less than 5% of the population, yet make up more than 30% of child rapists. If you go onto craigslist (God forbid you do), you will likely even find older (50+) men looking for younger boys.

http://www.emaso.com/links/ref-articles/ref3e/ref3e.htm

Here's another excerpt:

"But it’s not hard to show that homosexual behavior is one of the most self-destructive and harmful behaviors a person could engage in.

To begin with, there is an almost compulsive promiscuity associated with homosexual behavior. 75% of homosexual men have more than 100 sexual partners during their lifetime. More than half of these partners are strangers. Only 8% of homosexual men and 7% of homosexual women ever have relationships lasting more than three years. Nobody knows the reason for this strange, obsessive promiscuity. It may be that homosexuals are trying to satisfy a deep psychological need by sexual encounters, and it just is not fulfilling. Male homosexuals average over 20 partners a year. According to Dr. Schmidt,

The number of homosexual men who experience anything like lifelong fidelity becomes, statistically speaking, almost meaningless. Promiscuity among homosexual men is not a mere stereotype, and it is not merely the majority experience—it is virtually the only experience. Lifelong faithfulness is almost non-existent in the homosexual experience.

Associated with this compulsive promiscuity is widespread drug use by homosexuals to heighten their sexual experiences. Homosexuals in general are three times as likely to be problem drinkers as the general population. Studies show that 47% of male homosexuals have a history of alcohol abuse and 51% have a history of drug abuse. There is a direct correlation between the number of partners and the amount of drugs consumed.

Moreover, according to Schmidt, “There is overwhelming evidence that certain mental disorders occur with much higher frequency among homosexuals.” For example, 40% of homosexual men have a history of major depression. That compares with only 3% for men in general. Similarly 37% of female homosexuals have a history of depression. This leads in turn to heightened suicide rates. Homosexuals are three times as likely to contemplate suicide as the general population. In fact homosexual men have an attempted suicide rate six times that of heterosexual men, and homosexual women attempt suicide twice as often as heterosexual women. Nor are depression and suicide the only problems. Studies show that homosexuals are much more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexual men. Whatever the causes of these disorders, the fact remains that anyone contemplating a homosexual lifestyle should have no illusions about what he is getting into.

Another well-kept secret is how physically dangerous homosexual behavior is. I’m not going to describe the kinds of sexual activity practiced by homosexuals, but just let me say that our bodies, male and female, are designed for sexual intercourse in a way that two male bodies are not. As a result, homosexual activity, 80% of which is carried out by men, is very destructive, resulting eventually in such problems as prostate damage, ulcers and ruptures, and chronic incontinence and diarrhea.

In addition to these physical problems, sexually transmitted diseases are rampant among the homosexual population. 75% of homosexual men carry one or more sexually transmitted diseases, wholly apart from AIDS. These include all sorts of non-viral infections like gonorrhea, syphilis, bacterial infections, and parasites. Also common among homosexuals are viral infections like herpes and hepatitis B (which afflicts 65% of homosexual men), both of which are incurable, as well as hepatitis A and anal warts, which afflict 40% of homosexual men. And I haven’t even included AIDS. Perhaps the most shocking and frightening statistic is that, leaving aside those who die from AIDS, the life expectancy for a homosexual male is about 45 years of age. That compares to a life expectancy of around 70 for men in general. If you include those who die of AIDS, which now infects 30% of homosexual men, the life expectancy drops to 39 years of age."

Read more: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/a-christian-perspective-on-homosexuality#ixzz4nCJOwgYG
 

PCXV

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You're delusional if you think homosexuals don't hurt each other:
1. They live like 20 years less than normal people (a conservative estimate) from the 100's of other fags they bang over their lifetime.
2. They get AIDS, hepatitis A/B, anal warts, chronic diarrhea.
3. Half are problem drinkers and drug addicts. My OWN (gay) UNCLE died in his 40's from an overdose/suicide, so don't tell me that being gay is a healthy think to do for mind and spirit. It's not. In fact, it's very UNHEALTHY and not a biologically sound practice.
4. Homosexuals make up less than 5% of the population, yet make up more than 30% of child rapists. If you go onto craigslist (God forbid you do), you will likely even find older (50+) men looking for younger boys.

http://www.emaso.com/links/ref-articles/ref3e/ref3e.htm

Here's another excerpt:

"But it’s not hard to show that homosexual behavior is one of the most self-destructive and harmful behaviors a person could engage in.

To begin with, there is an almost compulsive promiscuity associated with homosexual behavior. 75% of homosexual men have more than 100 sexual partners during their lifetime. More than half of these partners are strangers. Only 8% of homosexual men and 7% of homosexual women ever have relationships lasting more than three years. Nobody knows the reason for this strange, obsessive promiscuity. It may be that homosexuals are trying to satisfy a deep psychological need by sexual encounters, and it just is not fulfilling. Male homosexuals average over 20 partners a year. According to Dr. Schmidt,

The number of homosexual men who experience anything like lifelong fidelity becomes, statistically speaking, almost meaningless. Promiscuity among homosexual men is not a mere stereotype, and it is not merely the majority experience—it is virtually the only experience. Lifelong faithfulness is almost non-existent in the homosexual experience.

Associated with this compulsive promiscuity is widespread drug use by homosexuals to heighten their sexual experiences. Homosexuals in general are three times as likely to be problem drinkers as the general population. Studies show that 47% of male homosexuals have a history of alcohol abuse and 51% have a history of drug abuse. There is a direct correlation between the number of partners and the amount of drugs consumed.

Moreover, according to Schmidt, “There is overwhelming evidence that certain mental disorders occur with much higher frequency among homosexuals.” For example, 40% of homosexual men have a history of major depression. That compares with only 3% for men in general. Similarly 37% of female homosexuals have a history of depression. This leads in turn to heightened suicide rates. Homosexuals are three times as likely to contemplate suicide as the general population. In fact homosexual men have an attempted suicide rate six times that of heterosexual men, and homosexual women attempt suicide twice as often as heterosexual women. Nor are depression and suicide the only problems. Studies show that homosexuals are much more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexual men. Whatever the causes of these disorders, the fact remains that anyone contemplating a homosexual lifestyle should have no illusions about what he is getting into.

Another well-kept secret is how physically dangerous homosexual behavior is. I’m not going to describe the kinds of sexual activity practiced by homosexuals, but just let me say that our bodies, male and female, are designed for sexual intercourse in a way that two male bodies are not. As a result, homosexual activity, 80% of which is carried out by men, is very destructive, resulting eventually in such problems as prostate damage, ulcers and ruptures, and chronic incontinence and diarrhea.

In addition to these physical problems, sexually transmitted diseases are rampant among the homosexual population. 75% of homosexual men carry one or more sexually transmitted diseases, wholly apart from AIDS. These include all sorts of non-viral infections like gonorrhea, syphilis, bacterial infections, and parasites. Also common among homosexuals are viral infections like herpes and hepatitis B (which afflicts 65% of homosexual men), both of which are incurable, as well as hepatitis A and anal warts, which afflict 40% of homosexual men. And I haven’t even included AIDS. Perhaps the most shocking and frightening statistic is that, leaving aside those who die from AIDS, the life expectancy for a homosexual male is about 45 years of age. That compares to a life expectancy of around 70 for men in general. If you include those who die of AIDS, which now infects 30% of homosexual men, the life expectancy drops to 39 years of age."

Read more: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/a-christian-perspective-on-homosexuality#ixzz4nCJOwgYG
Absolutely no science there, reasonablefaith.org is propagating false information to justify their anti-homosexual stance. Fact check every claim they made for yourself. If not, I'll do it for you. You don't see why a religious institution would make those false arguments? You think their explanations are comprehensive? They blame homosexuality for all of these problems, when the more logical root cause is how our society treats/treated homosexuals.

Post non-religious sources for each and every claim or admit all of those claims are misinformed.
 

Green Bud Smurfy

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Absolutely no science there, reasonablefaith.org is propagating false information to justify their anti-homosexual stance. Fact check every claim they made for yourself. If not, I'll do it for you. You don't see why a religious institution would make those false arguments? You think their explanations are comprehensive? They blame homosexuality for all of these problems, when the more logical root cause is how our society treats/treated homosexuals.

Post non-religious sources for each and every claim or admit all of those claims are misinformed.
You are so retarded. They are religious people, but they are citing real facts from real credible sources. Read the first article, http://www.emaso.com/links/ref-articles/ref3e/ref3e.htm, and you will see that the statistics come from the CDC (center of disease control) which is a GOVERNMENT (non-religious) organization.

The claim about homosexuals and child rapists, those are also generous estimates (in favor of LGBT). This article has over 30 credible sources: http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/child-molestation-and-homosexuality-2/

Essentially, you have no idea what you are talking about and call any facts that don't support your unfounded opinion as "misinformed". You are a radical leftist ideologue in the worst degree.
 
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PCXV

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You are so retarded. They are religious people, but they are citing real facts from real credible sources. Read the first article, http://www.emaso.com/links/ref-articles/ref3e/ref3e.htm, and you will see that the statistics come from the CDC (center of disease control) which is a GOVERNMENT (non-religious) organization.

The claim about homosexuals and child rapists, those are also generous estimates (in favor of LGBT). This article has over 30 credible sources: http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/child-molestation-and-homosexuality-2/

Essentially, you have no idea what you are talking about and call any facts that don't support your unfounded opinion as "misinformed". You are a radical leftist ideologue in the worst degree.
The first article is cherry-picking one study, retard. The second article only sites studies 3 decades old, from the 1980s and 1990s, a time when homophobia was the norm, retard. Your linking me to anti-gay activist sites. You are the right-wing ideologue in the echo chamber, retard. Learn how to fact check various sources and think critically, fucking dumb piece of shit.
 

Green Bud Smurfy

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The first article is cherry-picking one study, retard. The second article only sites studies 3 decades old, from the 1980s and 1990s, a time when homophobia was the norm, retard. Your linking me to anti-gay activist sites. You are the right-wing ideologue in the echo chamber, retard. Learn how to fact check various sources and think critically, fucking dumb piece of shit.
The CDC isn't a credible source?
 

Green Bud Smurfy

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LOL, did you read the article you sent me.

"Gay and bisexual men remain the group most heavily affected by HIV"

THanks for proving my point that gays, even though we have modern medicine and more understanding (unlike the 90's), still have a much higher HIV rate than straights. Nice job you tard
 

PCXV

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LOL, did you read the article you sent me.

"Gay and bisexual men remain the group most heavily affected by HIV"

THanks for proving my point
So some gays have more unprotected sex and more sexual partners, at best that is indirectly correlated to homosexuality and moreso correlated to other behavioral choices. Homosexuality is not the cause.
 

Green Bud Smurfy

Active Member
LOL you call me out for using the FRC and then turn around and use radical leftist "Southern Poverty Center" for your so-called facts. Here is the FRC response to the SPL labeling them as a hate group:
http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/answering-the-southern-poverty-law-centers-attacks-upon-family-research-council

While the article you gave me states that the "majority (of molesters) are men married to women", your article skirts around the non-negotiable FACT that gay men rape children at a disproportional RATE compared to straights.

It is the percentages, not total # of molesters from which populations, that matter.

So some gays have more unprotected sex and more sexual partners, at best that is indirectly correlated to homosexuality and moreso correlated to other behavioral choices. Homosexuality is not the cause.
WTF this is basic logic, bub. Homosexuality and heterosexuality is DIRECTLY related to gays having unprotected sex than heterosexuals do. When you engage in unprotected sexual activities there is a risk for HIV.
 

PCXV

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LOL you call me out for using the FRC and then turn around and use radical leftist "Southern Poverty Center" for your so-called facts. Here is the FRC response to the SPL labeling them as a hate group:
http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/answering-the-southern-poverty-law-centers-attacks-upon-family-research-council

While the article you gave me states that the "majority (of molesters) are men married to women", your article skirts around the non-negotiable FACT that gay men rape children at a disproportional RATE compared to straights.

It is the percentages, not total # of molesters from which populations, that matter.



WTF this is basic logic, bub. Homosexuality and heterosexuality is DIRECTLY related to gays having unprotected sex than heterosexuals do. When you engage in unprotected sexual activities there is a risk for HIV.
They are a hate group by their actions, FRC claiming to love gays after they use false information to demonize gays is laughable.

Regardless, I still took on your sources claims. Go ahead and try to disprove SPL's claims, but you won't because you know you can't. FRC is using old, debunked information. SPL and FC are not. They are responding the misinformation spread by right-wing groups such as FRC.

The statistics you rely on for your claim about molestation are faulty because they include any adult male molesting an adolescent male as homosexuality. SPL addresses that myth and where it originated if you care to read. The rate of molestations is thus highly exagerated using that method. SPL points to the APA and academic peer-review. FRC's claim is opposed by the scientific consensus. You and FRC are grasping at straws to maintain your bigotry. Typical Christian.
 

PCXV

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According to the American Psychological Association, children are not more likely to be molested by LGBT parents or their LGBT friends or acquaintances. Gregory Herek, a professor at the University of California, Davis, who is one of the nation's leading researchers on prejudice against sexual minorities, reviewed a series of studies and found no evidence that gay men molest children at higher rates than heterosexual men.

Anti-gay activists who make that claim allege that all men who molest male children should be seen as homosexual. But research by A. Nicholas Groth, a pioneer in the field of sexual abuse of children, shows that is not so. Groth found that there are two types of child molesters: fixated and regressive. The fixated child molester — the stereotypical pedophile — cannot be considered homosexual or heterosexual because "he often finds adults of either sex repulsive" and often molests children of both sexes. Regressive child molesters are generally attracted to other adults, but may "regress" to focusing on children when confronted with stressful situations.
WTF this is basic logic, bub. Homosexuality and heterosexuality is DIRECTLY related to gays having unprotected sex than heterosexuals do. When you engage in unprotected sexual activities there is a risk for HIV.
Unprotected sexual activities includes heterosexuals. If it is just as risky for heterosexuals to have unprotected sex as it is for homosexuals, what make homosexuality worse? Faulty argument.
 

dagwood45431

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Unprotected sexual activities includes heterosexuals. If it is just as risky for heterosexuals to have unprotected sex as it is for homosexuals, what make homosexuality worse? Faulty argument.
Do you know what makes it worse? His boner.
 

Green Bud Smurfy

Active Member
Unprotected sexual activities includes heterosexuals. If it is just as risky for heterosexuals to have unprotected sex as it is for homosexuals, what make homosexuality worse? Faulty argument.
Because homosexuals have more sexual partners on average, and thus more unprotected sexual partners, the statistical chance of a homosexual getting AIDS goes way up.

That's why your SPL article admits that "Gay and bisexual men remain the group most heavily affected by HIV"

Your logic is twisted and flawed
 
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