Who regulates cannabis nutrients, are they really safe !

[dirtWeevil]

On an even finer point, you don't see fertilizer specific for each kind of plant. And even when it comes to rose vs tomato fertilizer, you can see they always have the same ingredients, they just might vary the npk level a little. And they cost like 8-17 bucks a bag, that could fertilize a four to six light grow room. Meanwhile you gotta drop anywhere from 15-50 bucks on one bottled nutrient, which is usually part of a "program" that features two to seven additional bottles.

except that you do see specific ferts for different plants, feed your roses a tomato mix, see how well they thrive.
roses require different things, a different ph, etc. than a tomato plant does. People also buy "nutes" for vegetables every day, see the gardening section in any department store. further, no one is forced to buy anything, though these arguments always end in "don't buy that garbage product, buy the product i like". to a finer point, anyone who isn't mining their own minerals and collecting their own flyash isn't truly organic in my book.

to the op: Why not drop some cash and get a study going? Collect samples, have lab testing done, instead of thc levels test for things from the nutrients in the flowers and see how they measure up, organic vs conventional, test for the metals and all that. Then share the results and methods so your tests can be replicated and reviewed, and real actual information gained, instead of the usual paranoid circle jerk this discussion devolves into

 

[CriticalCheeze]

The most widely used bloom booster MKP is an ingredient in your gatorade.

Explains a lot.

 

[Hi crazii]

except that you do see specific ferts for different plants, feed your roses a tomato mix, see how well they thrive.
roses require different things, a different ph, etc. than a tomato plant does. People also buy "nutes" for vegetables every day, see the gardening section in any department store. further, no one is forced to buy anything, though these arguments always end in "don't buy that garbage product, buy the product i like". to a finer point, anyone who isn't mining their own minerals and collecting their own flyash isn't truly organic in my book.

to the op: Why not drop some cash and get a study going? Collect samples, have lab testing done, instead of thc levels test for things from the nutrients in the flowers and see how they measure up, organic vs conventional, test for the metals and all that. Then share the results and methods so your tests can be replicated and reviewed, and real actual information gained, instead of the usual paranoid circle jerk this discussion devolves into

Buy what ever you fancy mate. Coming to your question, yes most plants will need a different pk ratios, even different cannabis strains demand different things when grown synthetically.

This discussion is to raise awareness, the company's that people have spent millions with Couldn't offer you reliable testing and give you that assurance that's there products are safe. You are clinging onto marketing campaigns who take advantage.

If a man accepts everything is correct, he will end up with a Cock In his ass. I rather ask questions in a rational way to get as much understanding. Not for myself but for everyone.

 

[Hi crazii]

So why is organic any better than synthetic? Synthetic is purer and has fewer contaminants? I trust something that came out of a factory, with quality controls in place, way more than something that came out of an animal's ass.

Where do chickens come from.

 

[Hi crazii]

This is for you dirtweevil. The links are not working as it's copy and paste.


Some of these chemicals are in fact poisonous and have been banned for use on food crops in most civilized countries. Despite the known dangers of these products they are still used under license by the USDA on ornamental crops. The use of these PGRs are visible in many ornamental species available at nursery and garden stores, explaining why you find Azaleas and Zinnias blooming at 3 inches tall.

Regulations for fertilizer labeling in the USA is strict but varies from state to state. Despite these regulations, formulators are not always required to list every ingredient in their products; these recipes are protected as “trade secrets”. For this reason formulators have been allowed to market known toxins to unsuspecting farmers for some time. Fortunately a formal inquiry conducted by the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) has revealed the truth behind these insidious products. The CDFA tested several products, and the findings have since been made public, thanks, in part to the Freedom of Information Act. Below is a summary of the lab results, to view the full report simply click the product name.

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Bushmaster: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
Flower Dragon : 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol
Recall Notice

So the secret is out. These guys have been marketing poison to the marijuana growing community for years and have been getting away with it. Lets take a look at some of the ridiculous claims and out right lies made by these not so reputable vendors.

Here is the sales pitch used by Emerald Triangle’s marketing department to sell their product called “Gravity”:

“Our uniquely prepared kelp extract and phosphorus based additive will harden your flowers from the top to the bottom. A little goes a long way. Use once or twice about 3 weeks before the end of a plant’s cycle. Adds size and weight to flowering plants.”

Thanks to the CDFA report, we now know that Gravity is in fact a PGR called Paclobutrazol. This chemical retards internode length and reduces maturation time significantly. When used on marijuana, this results in tighter flowering tops that can be harvested earlier. This has made Gravity an attractive fertilizer additive to many unsuspecting growers.

The makers of Phosphoload, Dutch Masters market their product with these out-right lies;

“Dutch Master PhosphoLoad utilizes a new technology which extracts unique isolates from coal derived humates. These are powerful earth elements that unlock the floodgates for a fast & powerful flowering response. When used, PhosphoLoad produces dramatically larger and heavier yields of flowers with an average yield increase of 25 to 30%.”

While Phosphoload may contain “powerful earth elements” it also includes; 17,800ppm Daminozide and 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol. These two dangerous chemicals are not approved for crops intended for human consumption, and should never be used for growing medicine.

Products known to contain Paclobutrazol and Daminozide have been banned for sale in California and Oregon but are still readily available through Internet distributors, and who knows how much is still in the hands of marijuana growers. In truth this regional ban will have very little effect on the availability if these PGRs. The good news for users of medical cannabis is that companies now offer testing for these dangerous chemicals. SC Laboratory’s in Santa Cruz California is one of these companies currently testing PGR’s in medical marijuana.

 

[Tangerine_]

Hi I want to know if cannabis nutrients are safe to use in cannabis. remember the cannabis will be heated up at some point, so will nutrients still remain in the plant.

I'm leaning towards the medical side here. As parents are administrating cannabis oil on there young kids.

We have terminally Ill people who may of suffered from heart attacks, strokes, cancer, mental disorders, chronic back pain, etc.... and rely on cannabis as a gate way to relief.


we already know there hasn't been really much research done into cannabis. So i dought anybody has really done research or regulations have been put into place for nutrients, but everybody knows there for cannabis.


basically if hydro nutrients are consumed, they will cause gastronal problems, leading to bloody stools, they even have cancer causing ingredients.

It varies state to state.

Reports like this are easy to find >> http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/shared/Documents/Publications/PesticidesPARC/FertilizerProgramGuide.pdf


Lack of guaranteed analysis for nute companies and safe medical use are two very separate issues.

FWIW, there are plenty of ethical caregivers out there that have their end products properly tested. Organic or synthetic is of little importance IMO.

 

[Hi crazii]

These reports shouldn't be ignored!

So your telling me organic or synthetic it has a little importance. And every caregiver should have there products tested. And they both carry risks and dangers. Or is one more dangerous than another. Imagine telling our grandfathers they should of had there organic potatoes tested lol.

I do think companies are hiding, not giving us answers. Medical users tend to use there notorious products. So fuk me if you can't see it's the same issue. somebody wake me up, when it's all over.

Some people see it has a drug some people see it as medical plant. Some don't care how they grow it. And some do it more naturally.

Some people take steroids and justify it, I just remembered I'm from earth and every one loves each other.

 

[DonnyDee]

Where do chickens come from.

Conveniently missed the point, I'm not going to eat a chicken whole because it has impurities in it. What happens when the source of these organic things gets sick or has an unhealthy intake of nutrients/poisons? How are you going to know that poisonous levels of MOLECULES are not in your organic nutrients? They're still made up of chemicals, they're just organic and not made in as controlled an environment as synthetic chemicals. Seriously, please explain how pure salts can be unhealthy? I can more imagine them missing compounds that organic ones have, but that's quite easily supplemented with other refined products.

 

[Hi crazii]

Conveniently missed the point, I'm not going to eat a chicken whole because it has impurities in it. What happens when the source of these organic things gets sick or has an unhealthy intake of nutrients/poisons? How are you going to know that poisonous levels of MOLECULES are not in your organic nutrients? They're still made up of chemicals, they're just organic and not made in as controlled an environment as synthetic chemicals. Seriously, please explain how pure salts can be unhealthy? I can more imagine them missing compounds that organic ones have, but that's quite easily supplemented with other refined products.

I'm not against minerals or pure salts. Or even refined products. I drink mineral water all the time. But if my water has a hazard sign on it. And doesn't specifically say it's drinking water. I ain't touching it. When my animal gets sick I give it synthetic worming tablets. When I'm ill I take synthetic tablets. But all these have been tested. And made in controlled environments.

Unlike the chemicals your trying to back up. There's no evidence to show there good for your health. The word refined does not mean suitable for human use. Even if it is, what will happen when thease chemicals be combusted and inhaled.

 

[DonnyDee]

I'm not against minerals or pure salts. Or even refined products. I drink mineral water all the time. But if my water has a hazard sign on it. And doesn't specifically say it's drinking water. I ain't touching it. When my animal gets sick I give it synthetic worming tablets. When I'm ill I take synthetic tablets. But all these have been tested. And made in controlled environments.

Unlike the chemicals your trying to back up. There's no evidence to show there good for your health. The word refined does not mean suitable for human use. Even if it is, what will happen when thease chemicals be combusted and inhaled.

That is some incredible mental acrobatics. So when you REALLY need help, technology is good enough, but when it comes to feeding your plants, nature, in its wild variability, knows better.

But thanks for clearing up that there's no meaningful argument for organics.

 

[Hi crazii]

When technology makes safe chemical nutrients for cannabis, I'll be right there to buy some.

Your beating around the bush, which nutrient companies clearly state there nutrients safe for cannabis.

Your arguments are flawless. What grounds do you have?

 

[Hi crazii]

I must off pissed a lot of companies and there stake holders.

 

[DonnyDee]

When technology makes safe chemical nutrients for cannabis, I'll be right there to buy some.

Your beating around the bush, which nutrient companies clearly state there nutrients safe for cannabis.

Your arguments are flawless. What grounds do you have?

You realise organic nutrients are also made of chemicals, right?

 

[whitebb2727]

Yes I posted it, I took it down as I thought I might get in trouble for spamming. It was from a reputable nutrient company. Fuck it people's life's are at risk!

That is a msds. Pretty much everything you buy has one.

It is required by law and gives all the info for a product.

It rates how hazardous it is as well as other things as flamability.

I grow and prefer organic myself but a msds doesn't mean something is toxic.

Organic products would also have one.

 

[Tangerine_]

These reports shouldn't be ignored!

So your telling me organic or synthetic it has a little importance. And every caregiver should have there products tested. And they both carry risks and dangers. Or is one more dangerous than another. Imagine telling our grandfathers they should of had there organic potatoes tested lol.

I do think companies are hiding, not giving us answers. Medical users tend to use there notorious products. So fuk me if you can't see it's the same issue. somebody wake me up, when it's all over.

Some people see it has a drug some people see it as medical plant. Some don't care how they grow it. And some do it more naturally.

Some people take steroids and justify it, I just remembered I'm from earth and every one loves each other.

Oh FFS I never implied reports should be ignored. Did you even bother to read the report I linked?
You are all over the place with your attempt at "awareness".

And yes, I absolutely, unequivocally believe "care givers" supplying product to those who have a serious conditions or illness (especially those with compromised immune systems and/or parents) should have their products tested for pesticides, pathogens, etc. If the caregiver cannot provide these tests then patients/parents need to find one that does. Not every patient "knows" their caregiver or their method of growing so this is the only safe option IMO.

And PGRs? Most seasoned growers are well aware of PGRs. Many threads have already touched on the subject. And most agree about the dangers.

So before responding, explain your position in your words.

Don't just go off on a tangent and assume we're all stake holders in nute companies.

Not everyone grows cash crops or depends on this as income. In fact a great deal of growers here just want to grow good quality meds.

 

[Hi crazii]

Oh FFS I never implied reports should be ignored. Did you even bother to read the report I linked?
You are all over the place with your attempt at "awareness".

And yes, I absolutely, unequivocally believe "care givers" supplying product to those who have a serious conditions or illness (especially those with compromised immune systems and/or parents) should have their products tested for pesticides, pathogens, etc. If the caregiver cannot provide these tests then patients/parents need to find one that does. Not every patient "knows" their caregiver or their method of growing so this is the only safe option IMO.

And PGRs? Most seasoned growers are well aware of PGRs. Many threads have already touched on the subject. And most agree about the dangers.

So before responding, explain your position in your words.

Don't just go off on a tangent and assume we're all stake holders in nute companies.

Not everyone grows cash crops or depends on this as income. In fact a great deal of growers here just want to grow good quality meds.

I love good quality meds can't you see my passion lol I'm doing my best here.

 

[Hi crazii]

Oh FFS I never implied reports should be ignored. Did you even bother to read the report I linked?
You are all over the place with your attempt at "awareness".

And yes, I absolutely, unequivocally believe "care givers" supplying product to those who have a serious conditions or illness (especially those with compromised immune systems and/or parents) should have their products tested for pesticides, pathogens, etc. If the caregiver cannot provide these tests then patients/parents need to find one that does. Not every patient "knows" their caregiver or their method of growing so this is the only safe option IMO.

And PGRs? Most seasoned growers are well aware of PGRs. Many threads have already touched on the subject. And most agree about the dangers.

So before responding, explain your position in your words.

Don't just go off on a tangent and assume we're all stake holders in nute companies.

Not everyone grows cash crops or depends on this as income. In fact a great deal of growers here just want to grow good quality meds.

Ok, Mate I agree with testing the end product. For pesticides and


If for example a caregiver knew the hazards and unknown risks and they knew it wasn't made for cannabis ? Why the fuck would you use it on cannabis. And then get it tested. It's like knocking somebody out and taking them to the hospital after.

It might come out to be safe, but let me stop you, And has anybody really done testing on combustion of the actual material when it's heated up. The chemical makeup will all change. That even goes for organic. For all we know, organic might be worser than chemical. But it all comes down too we need legislation in place. I can only recommend we use maybe strawberry based chemical fertilisers let's say. Atleast it's for food lol. But did you hear recently there was a big shock to the industry when they found out pesticides reamins in your cannabis for longer. Something like 80 percent samples were fucked.


You say most seasoned growers are aware of pgrs, so people are still being idiots and taking risks on human health.


You finally you do agree on the dangers it withholds. Thanks bro seems like we're on the same level here. (Respect)


Yes I do think its up to the patient to really do most of there homework, but why should they really. Thease companies have a way around all the legislations and know all the loopholes in the book. and people want to make money in hydro stores. So it's a never ending vicious cycle.


As I said before, there's hardly been any testing done cannabis itself, it's gonna be a long shot till some company actually makes specific nutrients for cannabis. Weather it organic or chemical.


If we still grew, like the old days, and people were less greedy we would still have our old traditions in place, knower days it's all about the fast life, fast food, fast cars, fast love, fast everything, even fast sex lol. People are taking adavantage, you want to make money, base everything on fast and you will be a multi millionaire.



All I can say, find the most safest ways of growing, and don't believe anybody, not even me. Do your research and choose your own paths. We're all human and I ain't perfect either. Don't follow me.


what ever shit sold in hydro shops is another way of robbing you. Try buying proper organic shit for food. Probably single amendments and blending it your self atleast you know exactly what's in it.

I'm still buying the organic over priced bottles but I haven't got a farm, but cow shit is the one!


What ever you buy, buy it from a reputable company and it's dedicated for food crops!!!!!!!! Ok you won't find a exact nutrient for cannabis lol. And who ever grows commercially will buy products for that fruit or veg. I would go for a strawberry chemical nutrient as it has similar feedings, from what I've been told. Also make sure it's suitable for all your systems and media. And your ready to be a scientist. Maybe after a couple lazy organic grows you test on 2 plants too see if your favour it over your oraganics.



I wouldn't advise buying food crop pesticides, as food you can wash, buy cannabis no no,




Sorry to come on strong bro ,

 

[BurnzyBurnz]

Hi I want to know if cannabis nutrients are safe to use in cannabis. remember the cannabis will be heated up at some point, so will nutrients still remain in the plant.

I'm leaning towards the medical side here. As parents are administrating cannabis oil on there young kids.

We have terminally Ill people who may of suffered from heart attacks, strokes, cancer, mental disorders, chronic back pain, etc.... and rely on cannabis as a gate way to relief.


we already know there hasn't been really much research done into cannabis. So i dought anybody has really done research or regulations have been put into place for nutrients, but everybody knows there for cannabis.


basically if hydro nutrients are consumed, they will cause gastronal problems, leading to bloody stools, they even have cancer causing ingredients.

So what your saying is Ive wasted 4 hrs so far today and $50 and was about to spend more... " Fox Farm 3 bottle package " ...
I'm extremely enthusiastic about growing and am trying to learn as much as I can about it so I can grow the best smoke possible. However from all my reading today I feel like I went about it all wrong already...and I'm 4 weeks in. My soil now is just some standard soil 20-0-5. And when I learned that I gulped...I also figure it's why my bottom leaves are yellow and the stems are turning a slight red. So naturally I freak and start looking for answers online and eventually end up ordering some liquid kelp to help the grow. Also was going to order Fox farm grow big because I kept reading you need nutes, etc...

NOW...

I'm reading all this and everyone's saying I should just learn how to make a kick ass organic soil and stick strictly with that.

Wtf do I do so I can grow some interstellar pot ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[Jimmy Sparkle]

So what your saying is Ive wasted 4 hrs so far today and $50 and was about to spend more... " Fox Farm 3 bottle package " ...
I'm extremely enthusiastic about growing and am trying to learn as much as I can about it so I can grow the best smoke possible. However from all my reading today I feel like I went about it all wrong already...and I'm 4 weeks in. My soil now is just some standard soil 20-0-5. And when I learned that I gulped...I also figure it's why my bottom leaves are yellow and the stems are turning a slight red. So naturally I freak and start looking for answers online and eventually end up ordering some liquid kelp to help the grow. Also was going to order Fox farm grow big because I kept reading you need nutes, etc...

NOW...

I'm reading all this and everyone's saying I should just learn how to make a kick ass organic soil and stick strictly with that.

Wtf do I do so I can grow some interstellar pot ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

If you want to buy natural and or organic nutrients and use them there is absoloutly nothing wrong with them or whats in them like bat guano, kelp meals and liquids, fish products ect you will have a harvest aliens will come here for. Lots of natural products cannot be called organic due to certain metal or mineral contents they pick up naturally. Y'all need to do a little homework if you think your homemade soils and shit are organic and hippyrific!!!! I live in the PAC N.W ,fuckers here let Moss and shit grow between their toes man come here and get hipped on organics and what it all means.

 

[ANC]

You might think you are getting pesticides and what not from your weed, start checking your meat and veggies, you are getting 10 times more crap in via that I would wager.