Removal of Confederate symbols enrages Nazi whites

ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
It is censorship
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No it isn't. The statues can still be seen, but they no longer carry the weight of state approval.

You're on the wrong side of this one. I understand your point of view but you've never lived in the Deep South and therefore you likely do not understand the implications of honoring the Confederacy in the face of endemic and ongoing personal AND state sponsored racism.

Removing those icons of white supremacy from public places of honor was absolutely the right thing to do, and long overdue.

Those who wish to see them can still do so; they are not being destroyed, nor are they being hidden from anyone who wants to visit their new home in the museum. Therefore, no censorship.
 
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DiogenesTheWiser

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twostrokenut said:
Why did Lincoln want Lee to lead the Union army again, tell me?
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There were a dozen generals, like Lee, from the South who'd renounce their oath of commission in the U.S. Army and fight for the Confederacy.

None of those treasonous decisions that those generals made has anything to do with the wave of monument building that went on in the South between 1890 and 1920. In fact, most of those being immortalized in monuments had long since died.
 
DiogenesTheWiser

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visajoe1 said:
who founded the democratic party? anyone other than justin wanna step to the plate? he sucks at q & a
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That would be Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren, both a couple of ass kickers. Politics of the nineteenth century was akin to gang rivalries and turf control, and the Democrats, Whigs, Know-Nothings, and the upstart GOP (1852) all had a "muscle" arm to it. For the early Democrats of the late 1820s, the muscle were the major figures. I don't know how many men each of them killed, but it was a lot. Just look at MVB, what a bruiser! And there's little reason to figure that MVB still has an active gang in NYC called the Van Buren boys. Even Castanza has a run-in with them.

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Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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Local govt. should of used the Saudi's/Fox News/Oil Industry distraction play book ceremony instead of
late breaking news inciting more division. (or have we forgotten it's getting worse.)
As far as democracy is concerned, I feel it didn't happen by mistake.
 
Huckster79

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Padawanbater2 said:
Slavery is a part of American history. Taking away a statue doesn't change that fact.

I disagree with all forms of censorship
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I dont disagree its part of our history but they belong i meuseums not piblic parks..
They arent being crushed up into gravel....

Im assuming, though will check, they were in public park type settings. They need to go to meuseums... they, nor stars and bars, deserve a place of glorification of treason and enslavement on land owned by all.

Im assuming you arent African American, nor am i, how would you feel if roles were reversed and it was caucasians enslaved as property, and a group that spilled American blood to protect that action was glorified in monuments in your public park...

They werent forced off someones private land, that would be censorship
 
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Grandpapy

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A missed opportunity to involve the whole nation in the celebration of democracy. We need a new PR Firm. Billions lost in increased tensions.
Who's running this ship?
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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DiogenesTheWiser said:
There were a dozen generals, like Lee, from the South who'd renounce their oath of commission in the U.S. Army and fight for the Confederacy.

None of those treasonous decisions that those generals made has anything to do with the wave of monument building that went on in the South between 1890 and 1920. In fact, most of those being immortalized in monuments had long since died.
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So why did Lincoln want lee to lead the union army again and what was the only reason lee did not actually lead the union? Do you not know?
 
twostrokenut

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Huckster79 said:
Iv always thought it to be proper to call confederate leaders treasonous, but rarely hear it. I agree they belong in museums not still out in a park or wherever glorifying those that waged war on the United States of America.... good riddens long overdue.
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Hey isn't this a little "nationalist" though? Seriously, I'm glad the csa lost the civil war but there's a secession movement in Cali due to trump. Would this movement be treasonous to you?
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Padawanbater2 said:
So you dismiss my opinion outright on the basis of my skin color and the state I was born in?

What does a statue of Robert E. Lee stand for?

Lincoln offered Lee the position of commanding the Union army before Grant
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So they become experts in racism through much practice. Nice one.
 
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