TGA's Shangri-la nitrogen toxicity

koda7225

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Ok...

Growing in a 3 gallon ebb & flow (flood and drain ) setup.

Only feeding 1.5 tsp / gal GH MaxiBloom, 1.5ml / gal GH ArmorSi, 5 ml / gal GH Koolbloom

Total of about 1250ppm on 0.5 scale

Any idea why I would be showing nitrogen toxicity with TGA's Shangri-la?
 

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im4satori

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your ppm are to high

your nutes are way out of wack

where did you formulate that arrangement?

the maxi bloom might work for soil in late bloom but its not a good choice for you

that arrangement is so far out... super super super high in P and K and lacking in N

get yourself the GH floragrow and florabloom 1 parts or the GH 3 part

along with calmag and Epsom salt

keep you armor si and use it as a foliar spray

after you've got your new gear hit me back with what you have and I will tell you how to does it
 

koda7225

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your ppm are to high

your nutes are way out of wack

where did you formulate that arrangement?

the maxi bloom might work for soil in late bloom but its not a good choice for you

that arrangement is so far out... super super super high in P and K and lacking in N

get yourself the GH floragrow and florabloom 1 parts or the GH 3 part

along with calmag and Epsom salt

keep you armor si and use it as a foliar spray

after you've got your new gear hit me back with what you have and I will tell you how to does it
What's the clawing of the leaves all about then? In the past with WR and GG4 this was great for them.
 

koda7225

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I even tried a round with dynagrows line, showed lack of nitrogen everything was yellowing in about a week.
 

im4satori

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What's the clawing of the leaves all about then? In the past with WR and GG4 this was great for them.
the claws are likely from to high ppm or a micro nute imbalance

the problem is almost all the mixing instruction given by the manufacturers of almost every brand is wrong... most times if its a good brand itll be balanced except there just suggesting too much

in your case using those products theres no way even close to formulate a balanced ratio of elements for any stage of growth
 

koda7225

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the claws are likely from to high ppm or a micro nute imbalance

the problem is almost all the mixing instruction given by the manufacturers of almost every brand is wrong... most times if its a good brand itll be balanced except there just suggesting too much

in your case using those products theres no way even close to formulate a balanced ratio of elements for any stage of growth
Why couldn't it be formulated?

They all have their ratings and they are all GH.

Not trying to be an arrogant ass, I'm trying to learn.

I thank you both for your input
 

im4satori

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full dose balance veg nutrient profile using GH 3 part

grow 7.5 mls per gallon
micro 5mls
bloom 2.5mls
calmag 1ml
Epsom salt 1 gram per gallon
 

koda7225

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View attachment 3874131

full strength bloom formula

grow 6ml per gallon
micro 3mls
bloom 6mls
calmag4mls

Ty, if you don't mind I am still curious how what I use won't work out.

Isn't the Lucas formula a balanced formula? Which MaxiBloom is darn near right at the Lucas formula at 1.5 tsp per gallon.

Is it because I'm adding the koolbloom that's fuckin it up? Ph has been steady at 5.8 - 6.0 the whole time according to my blue lab meter.
 

im4satori

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Ty, if you don't mind I am still curious how what I use won't work out.

Isn't the Lucas formula a balanced formula? Which MaxiBloom is darn near right at the Lucas formula at 1.5 tsp per gallon.

Is it because I'm adding the koolbloom that's fuckin it up? Ph has been steady at 5.8 - 6.0 the whole time according to my blue lab meter.
for me to answer specific
I would need to know how many grams of maxi your adding per gallon

tsp doesn't tell me what it weighs

but I can give you a few examples

give me a few minutes
 

im4satori

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ok
your nutrient maxibloom is a dry salt fertilizer

you said your dosing X per tsp

a tsp doesn't help me calculate what your giving

I need to know what it weighs

for example;;
I adding 5grams per gallon of maxibloom
 

im4satori

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youd need to bust out your scale and weigh 1.5tsp and see what it says in grams

if your scale isn't accurate at that amount

weigh 15 tsp and divide by 10
 

koda7225

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ok
your nutrient maxibloom is a dry salt fertilizer

you said your dosing X per tsp

a tsp doesn't help me calculate what your giving

I need to know what it weighs

for example;;
I adding 5grams per gallon of maxibloom
OK maxibloom is 10.33 grams per 1.5 tsp
5 - 15 - 14

Then 1.5ml / gal of the ArmorSi
0 - 0 - 4

And 5ml / gal of koolbloom
0 - 10 - 10

If you need the other amounts I can get them off the packages / bottles
 

koda7225

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and yes...your kool bloom makes it worse

along with the good bit of K from the silica(armor)
So maybe leave out the koolbloom?

I know your trying to help and doing calculations. Again I am very thankful, I'm frustrated because the Shangri-la is the only one acting up.

And I'm limited for space so they all run off the same res.
 
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