Urgent help!! Cant figure out deficiency!!

Meechytrill

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Hey freinds, this is my first post so if its not posted correctly please tell me. Im a first time grower in the new england area and need help figuring out why my plants are dying. Ive done some good ol reading on this and so far came up with this set up.

Im scrogging 6 plants(GDP, GSC, GG4, Deep Cheese x querkle, Sensi star, Blueberry Diesel), currently vegging on a 18/6 light schedule. They are in 5 gallon buckets with drainage holes on the sides and bottom. Im using Dr. Earths Pot of Gold Organic soil(basically commercial super soil) with a 20% perlite mix.

Fertilizers I use are: General Organics Bio-Root root booster(1-1-1), Dyna-gro Pro-Tekt silicone solution(0-0-3), Botanicare Cal-Mag(2-0-0), Hydroorganic Earth juice Microblast, Bioag ful-humix humic acid, B.C Grow(1-3-6) and B.C Boost (3-0-2).

For my light set up i have as my main light a 96x3 led raised 24" above the girls. Its model is lg-g04b96led. Its advocates 300w of power. It also had a veg and bloom spectrum selection. I usually have both on. I also have supplemental fluorescent lights standing vertically with the plants. A 4' HTG t5 with 2 bulbs( Argomax f54t5ho 5400k spectrum bulb x 1 and Argomax f54t5ho grow spectrum bulb x 1) and another 4' HTG t5 with 4 bulbs( Argomax f54t5ho bloom spectrum bulb x 3 and Argomax f54t5ho 10k finisher spectrum bulb x 1).

I have a co2 set up thats not automated. I usually set it up to where it releases 1 bubble the size of a nickel aprox. every 5 secs. I take this measurement by placing the co2 hose in a cup of water. I have a 6" inline fan taking hot air out from the top of the tent and another inline fan bringing fresh air in from outside. I also have a couple of fans above and below the plants.

I had my plant for aprox. 40 days and they have been relatively the same size. Im gettin all sorts of problems. Burnt tips, cupping/curling of leaves, clawing, yellow leaves, abnormal new growth, red stems, and even slow growth. I do see gnats colonizing. I was nuting at first but stopped. I dont know if nuting is okay with dr. Earths soil since it already has everything, thats only an assumption though. I used to maybe use 4 gallons of water when feeding for all six plants(These plants are being scrogged with the net being raised 8" to 10"). I know, i know, i get enough hassle from my mentor to not scrog since its my first grow but what the heck). I use plastic tubaware bowl containers to collect water from under the plants and usually used to feed them until the bowls were spilling and a big mess would form. Now i just feed until the bowl is maybe half full or 2.5 gallons of water between the six plants. So i went from 4 gallons to 2.5 between all 6. Its summer now and temps in the tent sometimes reaches the 90s. I think the highest was like 95°f but average now is like 85°f during the day. At night its about 60°f to75°f. The temps are usually dictated by the outside temps. I have to work on that. Humidity stays between 20%-40% usually averaging 30%. I dont understand whats happening please help. I trimmed most the yellow leaves off. There was alot. My camera has horrible resolution sorry. Ill try to take better pics.

**The p.h now is between 6.4 and 6.9. The ppm of the water is 40 but after i feed them and check the run off the ppm is at 500 to 600. Thats just adding clean water with no nutes.***
 

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Meechytrill

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Ok also the p.h now is between 6.4 and 6.9. The ppm of the water is 40 but after i feed them and check the run off the ppm is at 500 to 600. Thats just adding clean water with no nutes.
 

coreywebster

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a brief look up on the soil, it seems full of nutrients. Do not add any more. How often are you watering? Every time you water they are taking in more nutrients. I don't know what the answer to fixing an over fed plant in organic soil because I'm not an organics user.
@whitebb2727 can you shed some of your knowledge on the matter?
 

loftygoals

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It's great that you have all those plans. You've obviously been doing some reading... but... chill out and take stock of your situation.

Extra CO2 is not needed. Your plants have problems. Turn it off and forget about it until you have everything dialled in perfectly and co2 is limiting your growing skillz (won't happen for a long while... maybe years).

Your plants are displaying multiple issues. To me they look like they have magnesium deficiency which is why they're pale, have yellowing leaves and burnt upturned tips. Your temps are too high for small plants with issues. They are not using all that light so it's all that extra heat is just contributing to your issues for no real gain. Turn off the supplemental lights and just keep the LED panel on veg. So these would be my initial suggestions:

1. Try adding calmag to make your water ppm around 250 for every watering
2. Turn off the extra lights
3. Turn off the CO2 - you're wasting money at the moment, they're not using it at all

I'm sure other more experienced peeps will have a load more to suggest.
 

whitebb2727

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My advice is pick one. Organics or synthetics. Out of all those extra products, protekt would be the only one I would use but I get silica and pest control from diatamacous earth.

They are over fed and burnt.

You will need to flush with 2-3 times the pot size with water. That's 10-15 gallons of water.

That will destroy the microbes. They are ruined anyways.

After the flush let them be and dry for a bit. Start back at feeding 1/4 strength on the grow. Add a teaspoon of Epsom per gallon of water. See how they do and work up.

The best advice you will get is to understand that cannabis is not a magic plant that needs unicorn farts to grow.

Less is more and kiss. Keep it stupid simple.
 

Big_Lou

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It's great that you have all those plans. You've obviously been doing some reading... but... chill out and take stock of your situation.

Extra CO2 is not needed. Your plants have problems. Turn it off and forget about it until you have everything dialled in perfectly and co2 is limiting your growing skillz (won't happen for a long while... maybe years).

Your plants are displaying multiple issues. To me they look like they have magnesium deficiency which is why they're pale, have yellowing leaves and burnt upturned tips. Your temps are too high for small plants with issues. They are not using all that light so it's all that extra heat is just contributing to your issues for no real gain. Turn off the supplemental lights and just keep the LED panel on veg. So these would be my initial suggestions:

1. Try adding calmag to make your water ppm around 250 for every watering
2. Turn off the extra lights
3. Turn off the CO2 - you're wasting money at the moment, they're not using it at all

I'm sure other more experienced peeps will have a load more to suggest.
Fantastic avatar. :clap:
 

whitebb2727

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Ok also the p.h now is between 6.4 and 6.9. The ppm of the water is 40 but after i feed them and check the run off the ppm is at 500 to 600. Thats just adding clean water with no nutes.
How do you check ph?

Run off pH means nothing.

PH doesn't matter in organics. As organic matter decays it produces ions that buffer the pH.

A little pellet lime and crushed oyster shell go a long ways.

This is long but a good read.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-and-no-till-thread.636057/

Water only organics is where its at.
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Read my thread or the no till thread. Pick a recipe and run it a few times because organics get better with time. You will grow weed like that.
 
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JungleTime

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Look into plant training, I look at your pictures and your not gonna pull anything even if your run the best lights or give the best nutes. Your strog area is not going to be filled with those plants.

You need to run more clones or get clones, top them and then strog it out. If I were you i'd trash it all and start over. Most of those plants are stunted and burned up. For 40 days those should be at least 20x that size.

It looks like you water it nonstop. In veg you need to allow the roots to dry. This is known as "dry back". Rather than fancy terms think of it like this. If a plant has all the water it needs it has no reason to grow roots. If your plant doesnt have enough water then it will produce roots to look for water in order to survive.

Heres what I say you do.
1). Get new clones
2). Top them when their clones if you have a plant limit to produce the most sites
(Note dont top sites them more than twice. If you continue to top all your going to have is shitty popcorn buds.)
3). Get quality coco imo, or pro mix.
(Note you can grow organically in coco and it works very well, its light and airy but you need to add more amenities)
4). Get new nutes
(Salts get jacks 321, if you want to stay organic feed with nothing but compost tea such as boogie brew or you can make your own)
5). start them off in a container that is relative for their size.
(As in clones, plastic cups, then 1/2 gallon or 4 inch pots, then 1 gal then 2 gal etc.)

Looks like you have done your research but your application isnt good. I'm not trying to come off as rude but rather the opposite. I want you to get a good yield!

And co2? If you want to run co2 you really need to seal the room or at least have a 15 min timer for when the co2 is injecting into the room you arent venting it out. The amount of co2 your putting in the air is being sucked out. I bet your room is still at 400ppm which is atmosphere levels because your just venting it out.

Plants should be growing roughly 1-2 inches a day in vertical height when everything is optional. If there not growing at that rate then something is wrong and you need to look into it. And as others have mentioned, you dont ph when growing organically. The soil is living and will adjust the ph all by itself.
 

Meechytrill

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Wow you guys are great help and fast to. Thanks everybody. Dont worry, im a thirsty student so all the criticism and however its said will be appreciated. I need this. It seems like i did alot of general research but didnt break it all the way down. Now the L isnt hitting right:dunce:. I guess i cant cut corners. From what im reading, im not ready for co2. Is restarting is a must? That breaks my heart...i did repot them like a maniac. They were happy when i got them growing lucious in there little containers. I got cute and put them in 2 gals then like 6 days late in the 5 gal buckets. Im going to read up on all the links and advice you give me so keep em coming. Greatly appreciated.
 

Michael Huntherz

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Give them water only for a while, let them dry out pretty well in between. Do you have fans in there for air circulation? They like the air to be moving quite a bit, in my experience. That's what I would suggest, and yes, drop the CO2 for like the next year, then maybe try it once you have a few decent grows finished.
 

JungleTime

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Also it doesnt really matter about it being organic. I just got that soil becauseni thought it had alot of good stuff in it. My other option was mg lol.
Ok so fuck organics, go with salts. GG on here is a real informative guy. I could type all I know but its rather time consuming and boring haha. Ill post some of his videos, you can go look at them and you'll surely learn how to grow some quality buds.

Nutes, jacks 3-2-1 the CHEAPEST nutes that give great results.

At 1:15 it shows you why you top.

Once you top your plants you'll get three arms from the same shoot. This distributes the plant hormones in a way every arm will be a top cola. So rather than getting one big nug you get three from one plant.

He does a a video about topping but I dont remenber what it was under, if you watch through his videos you'll find it.

And if those plants are day 40 I would toss them and start over. Being stunted that long is a gamble. Their genetics could be fucked with and they might herm out with the tiniest bit of stress.
 

Michael Huntherz

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Ok so fuck organics, go with salts. GG on here is a real informative guy. I could type all I know but its rather time consuming and boring haha. Ill post some of his videos, you can go look at them and you'll surely learn how to grow some quality buds.

Nutes, jacks 3-2-1 the CHEAPEST nutes that give great results.

At 1:15 it shows you why you top.

Once you top your plants you'll get three arms from the same shoot. This distributes the plant hormones in a way every arm will be a top cola. So rather than getting one big nug you get three from one plant.

He does a a video about topping but I dont remenber what it was under, if you watch through his videos you'll find it.

And if those plants are day 40 I would toss them and start over. Being stunted that long is a gamble. Their genetics could be fucked with and they might herm out with the tiniest bit of stress.
Man, I don't think he has to start over, the hermie paranoia is just that, mostly. Otherwise I agree with everything you said.
 

getogrow

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i didnt read the whole thread but you need nitrogen BAD. give them some extra nitrogen an water them correctly. it will take awhile but they will come out of it






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JungleTime

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Man, I don't think he has to start over, the hermie paranoia is just that, mostly. Otherwise I agree with everything you said.
I should re phrase it, if you can easily get some cuts from your friend and start with a fresh slate I think it would be easier. Those cuts would work but I personally dont think there worth the time or effort. Some of them are pretty far gone imo.

B the time you get those cuts healthy, the new clones you get would be double the size of them imo. But if those are your babies then ignore what I said and stick with them. Your choice ultimately, both ways work if you put enough time and effort into it!
 

getogrow

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now i read whole thread. it needs nitrogen. you say the "3-0-2" is your "boost" , thats not correct , your grow is probably those numbers. that is nothing like supersoil but it is very good soil. more "grow food" an a tiny bit of molasses an your soil will be fine.
"flushing " will not help at all but make it worse.




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getogrow

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I should re phrase it, if you can easily get some cuts from your friend and start with a fresh slate I think it would be easier. Those cuts would work but I personally dont think there worth the time or effort. Some of them are pretty far gone imo.

B the time you get those cuts healthy, the new clones you get would be double the size of them imo. But if those are your babies then ignore what I said and stick with them. Your choice ultimately, both ways work if you put enough time and effort into it!
i agree. i understand those are your babies but it would be quicker to start with fresh babies




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