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420producer

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Ah cool, mine feel like they been sluggish. How long did you veg for, and how tall did it get?

I was reading people said it had like no stretch. I really hope I get some from them to keep up.
how your plants doing , did they stretch?? here is a lil up date. at the end of week five i wanted to get a shot of the trichs. im a lil blind.but was able to get one of the pie and wanted to share with you the pic she is really showing a lot of purple im hoping to see more color as she finishes up.
 

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calliandra

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View attachment 3674852 View attachment 3674853 View attachment 3674854 Hey Scrogers, do you think you guys can offer me some advise. I'm a bit lost. I'm trying to really utilize the screen but I feel like I'm not doing this correctly.

I can raise and lower the screen. I feel like I have so much fan growth that it's hard for my bud sites to get light.

Also How much of the lower growth should I take out?

I just flipped the lights to 12/12 on Monday

Any advise will help.
hey hi steadyeddie,
I see you have already lowered the screen as compared to where you had it at first - good move! :)

Yes your plant looks like she is growing very tightly, which makes it hard to train any branches into the screen, so your departure point isn't easy to begin with ;)

Also I saw how you have contradictory information about how much your plant's strain will stretch.
  • If she stretches alot, the way you have the screen set up is just fine and she will grow into it in the next 2 weeks or so. (in case she doesn't after all, you may not fill your screen and thus not benefit fully from the scrog technique this round)
  • If she doesn't, it may be a good idea to lower the screen a bit more to force her to spread more now. (If she then decides to stretch after all, you may fill your screen too fast and get a cramped situation - meaning you will have to pay more attention to air circulation & humidity and making sure you don't get budrot)
So, not an easy decision! But, perhaps as consolation: I read somewhere that scrogging just takes a bit of experience, and you're not a real pro at it before you've had both a screen that didn't fill and an overfull screen. Also, remember that you WILL have a yield either way, so it's not a life or death kind of thing here :mrgreen:

In any case you can remove some more of the undergrowth to encourage her to focus on growing her top branches out. You can start by removing a few strategical fan leaves (those that have the most effect by being removed).
By the end of stretch there shouldn't be any growth left below the screen, but since your whole plant is still there at the mo, you will want to go progressively as she develops her tops :bigjoint:
Hope that helps a bit!
 

714steadyeddie

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hey hi steadyeddie,
I see you have already lowered the screen as compared to where you had it at first - good move! :)

Yes your plant looks like she is growing very tightly, which makes it hard to train any branches into the screen, so your departure point isn't easy to begin with ;)

Also I saw how you have contradictory information about how much your plant's strain will stretch.
  • If she stretches alot, the way you have the screen set up is just fine and she will grow into it in the next 2 weeks or so. (in case she doesn't after all, you may not fill your screen and thus not benefit fully from the scrog technique this round)
  • If she doesn't, it may be a good idea to lower the screen a bit more to force her to spread more now. (If she then decides to stretch after all, you may fill your screen too fast and get a cramped situation - meaning you will have to pay more attention to air circulation & humidity and making sure you don't get budrot)
So, not an easy decision! But, perhaps as consolation: I read somewhere that scrogging just takes a bit of experience, and you're not a real pro at it before you've had both a screen that didn't fill and an overfull screen. Also, remember that you WILL have a yield either way, so it's not a life or death kind of thing here :mrgreen:

In any case you can remove some more of the undergrowth to encourage her to focus on growing her top branches out. You can start by removing a few strategical fan leaves (those that have the most effect by being removed).
By the end of stretch there shouldn't be any growth left below the screen, but since your whole plant is still there at the mo, you will want to go progressively as she develops her tops :bigjoint:
Hope that helps a bit!
Hey buddy,

I appreciate the feedback. I've actually studied your grows before getting started lol

I've actually now have lowered the screen and removed some fan leaves and lower growth. Definitely next round I'll know what to prepare for. Either way I'm happy I got this far


Happy growing
 

calliandra

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Hey buddy,

I appreciate the feedback. I've actually studied your grows before getting started lol

I've actually now have lowered the screen and removed some fan leaves and lower growth. Definitely next round I'll know what to prepare for. Either way I'm happy I got this far


Happy growing
You're very welcome!
Haha, so you know I've had a similar conundrum myself :mrgreen:
I think the only reasonable way one can avoid running into this question altogether is to scrog a strain one is already acquainted with - as in grow from seed and let grow out halfways normally (perhaps just some topping and lst), take clones and then scrog those lol
But that would require patience and composure LMAO :rolleyes:

Happy tucking and weaving to you - and do keep us updated how she comes along!
 

714steadyeddie

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You're very welcome!
Haha, so you know I've had a similar conundrum myself :mrgreen:
I think the only reasonable way one can avoid running into this question altogether is to scrog a strain one is already acquainted with - as in grow from seed and let grow out halfways normally (perhaps just some topping and lst), take clones and then scrog those lol
But that would require patience and composure LMAO :rolleyes:

Happy tucking and weaving to you - and do keep us updated how she comes along!
Week 1 into flower and I can see the stretch
 

714steadyeddie

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How many of your leaves get damaged while SCROG'ing? I noticed when I went to tuck some growth that some leaves were damaged and some even looked dead already.

When Is it ok to remove the lower growth ?
 

kachiga

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how your plants doing , did they stretch?? here is a lil up date. at the end of week five i wanted to get a shot of the trichs. im a lil blind.but was able to get one of the pie and wanted to share with you the pic she is really showing a lot of purple im hoping to see more color as she finishes up.
I still haven't flipped :( But it did start off stunted and its as big as the other. I will be flipping soon but was just still building around them. And I am doing a pest strip now for a few days before I go into flower mode now that I have it sealed up.

Yours looking to get a lot of sugar :) I can't tell the size it's kinda a bad pic lol.
 

bgmike8

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I tried to train my plants down onto a table and then realized that I'm a moron.

I'm going to do scrog next. I went ahead and made a screen and I'm trying to salvage what I have. These plants have not been topped n or pruned in any way.

It's a mess and there are a lot of fan leaves . Is it okay to cut those leave out so I can get the bud spots more light before I flower? Or will that actually hurt the plants and the yield?

I remember reading Rosenthals book and it said not to cut them. But that was an old ass book and I've seen a lot of people now a days cutting that shit.
 

calliandra

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I tried to train my plants down onto a table and then realized that I'm a moron.

I'm going to do scrog next. I went ahead and made a screen and I'm trying to salvage what I have. These plants have not been topped n or pruned in any way.

It's a mess and there are a lot of fan leaves . Is it okay to cut those leave out so I can get the bud spots more light before I flower? Or will that actually hurt the plants and the yield?

I remember reading Rosenthals book and it said not to cut them. But that was an old ass book and I've seen a lot of people now a days cutting that shit.
I think I saw that thread and backed out quick? haha :eyesmoke:

Yes, a scrog! :)
It's going to look messy for a bit seeing you hadn't trained them at all before. But the screen will help you get all those branches down anyways. Especially with the fatter ones you may want to tie them down more and more gradually (like over a few days) as not to snap any of them.

And yes you can remove fan leaves to assist in letting your plants know where you want them to develop.
A middle of the road approach between letting the plants grow as they would out in the wild and extreme defoliation would be to remove them very selectively, just taking those leaves out that are blocking the most light. And of course anything underneath the screen can be removed without remorse: those parts aren't going to develop anyways :rolleyes:
Mild defoliation is not going to hurt your plant but rather assist her in developing in a way that is better adapted to our indoor conditions.
 

714steadyeddie

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I think I saw that thread and backed out quick? haha :eyesmoke:

Yes, a scrog! :)
It's going to look messy for a bit seeing you hadn't trained them at all before. But the screen will help you get all those branches down anyways. Especially with the fatter ones you may want to tie them down more and more gradually (like over a few days) as not to snap any of them.

And yes you can remove fan leaves to assist in letting your plants know where you want them to develop.
A middle of the road approach between letting the plants grow as they would out in the wild and extreme defoliation would be to remove them very selectively, just taking those leaves out that are blocking the most light. And of course anything underneath the screen can be removed without remorse: those parts aren't going to develop anyways :rolleyes:
Mild defoliation is not going to hurt your plant but rather assist her in developing in a way that is better adapted to our indoor conditions.
How much of the lower growth should i remove bro
 

calliandra

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How much of the lower growth should i remove bro
Eventually you'll be removing all of the lowest stuff on there.
Personally I'd wait though and do it gradually as your top canopy develops. The more she spreads up on the screen, the less she will need the lower growth. You just kind of have to feel into how she is growing and go with the flow :mrgreen:
I know that's not very specific, but that's because plant training will always be something very individual, kind of like a dance haha
 

420producer

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I still haven't flipped :( But it did start off stunted and its as big as the other. I will be flipping soon but was just still building around them. And I am doing a pest strip now for a few days before I go into flower mode now that I have it sealed up.

Yours looking to get a lot of sugar :) I can't tell the size it's kinda a bad pic lol.
not my strong point . i have added a lil molasses. but not much 3 to 5 ml per gal large pop corn sizes. i think it got root bound. so i put it in 5 gal to see what she can do these last few weeks . next time imma veg longer
 

kachiga

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how your plants doing , did they stretch?? here is a lil up date. at the end of week five i wanted to get a shot of the trichs. im a lil blind.but was able to get one of the pie and wanted to share with you the pic she is really showing a lot of purple im hoping to see more color as she finishes up.

Here they are few more days then I will flip. Not a true Scrog, but been using them to get the same height. Screen is and will be very full when I flip heh. Most are pretty trimmed under the net. Really hope I get a stretch or it won't yield much lol.

They are 22 inches from the rim, the very end on the left under purple led are cherry pie. Rest are Thc bombs.

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