Controlling through-the-roof medical costs

see4

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So you like to oppress minorities? Typical supremacy complex.
I know you are just joking, but you intentionally and purposely took the word minority out of context. Nice try though. Almost had a decent troll there.
 

ASCIIGHOST

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I will always want to live in a nation with a government.

Could I live with less government, yes. But no government means big fish eat little fish or survival of the fittest or man with the biggest stick wins.

Duck that
Translation: I want a master to decide whats fair, and force things to be fair. No you are not for less government, friend. That is the notion on which all government is expanded. Voters wanting to force. I'm for governments true job, to limit itself. If the checks and balances worked the way they were intended, one branch of government would limit the other branch from working so closely with corporations. It's only function is to limit itself, and its doing the exact opposite.
 

ASCIIGHOST

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I know you are just joking, but you intentionally and purposely took the word minority out of context. Nice try though. Almost had a decent troll there.
No, I genuinely think you hate the individual. The individual is the smallest minority there is, and you hate it.
 

FauxRoux

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I'm for governments true job, to limit itself. If the checks and balances worked the way they were intended, one branch of government would limit the other branch from working so closely with corporations. It's only function is to limit itself, and its doing the exact opposite.
For what it was intended? So you're for a small group of aristocratic white males running the show because they didn't want to pay taxes?

Also franklin was the only 1 to suggest writing in anti corporation laws because while being an ambassador to the French for years he saw the stranglehold the East India Trading CO, had. He realized that many corperation's had more money then the fledging nation of America, thus making them a major thread to the authority OF those few aristocratic white males.

And still none of the other founders saw the good sense in limiting cooperation's rights. They all had stakes in them.

Different time, different country. Those rules as they were made do NOT represent what you think they did. They were designed to keep the power in the hands of the few. Hell...who do you think OWNED the "corporations" here in the states then? Or the printing presses for that matter?
 
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see4

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So your anti-weed, and pro-prohibition. Got it.
"You're", as in "You are".

And how you translated "Don't ever share with anyone whatever it is you are smoking", into, "So YOU'RE anti-weed, and pro-prohibition. Got it", only furthers my point, please don't share the, what is obviously psychoactive, drug you are smoking.

You're not bright enough for this game, please move along.
 

UncleBuck

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Your grasp of the underlying root causes of what makes healthcare affordable or not is stunningly bereft.
sorry for pointing out how the rest of the wealthy world does it so much better and for so much less with heavy government involvement.

meanwhile, you keep screaming about free market fairies with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

so maybe just shut up to avoid exposing your stupidity.
 

UncleBuck

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There will be tiers of service just like for automobiles, housing, etc.
some people can't afford those things. so do they just die?

It is the government and insurance companies that are not allowing free market competition to drive prices lower.
you should go to germany or england or switzerland or japan and spout that shit. they will laugh in your face as they point out that their governments are heavily involved in health care and they pay less than we do.
 

UncleBuck

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I will always want to live in a nation with a government.

Could I live with less government, yes. But no government means big fish eat little fish or survival of the fittest or man with the biggest stick wins.

Duck that
i do not find this surprising, since you are on the government dole.
 

ASCIIGHOST

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meanwhile, you keep screaming about free market fairies with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
every immigrant who immigrated here before the existence of the federal reserve is living evidence of free markets. America was capable of giving everyone a JOB. everyone wanted to immigrate here because with a simple (or complex) trade you could make it each according to their ability.

before federal reserve=immigrate to jobs
after federal reserve=immigrate to welfare state

thanks free markets, youre fucking rock stars
 

see4

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every immigrant who immigrated here before the existence of the federal reserve is living evidence of free markets. America was capable of giving everyone a JOB. everyone wanted to immigrate here because with a simple (or complex) trade you could make it each according to their ability.

before federal reserve=immigrate to jobs
after federal reserve=immigrate to welfare state

thanks free markets, youre fucking rock stars
You have zero grasp of reality and a complete misunderstanding of history. May I suggest registering for 6th grade at your local high school?
 

FauxRoux

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every immigrant who immigrated here before the existence of the federal reserve is living evidence of free markets. America was capable of giving everyone a JOB. everyone wanted to immigrate here because with a simple (or complex) trade you could make it each according to their ability.

before federal reserve=immigrate to jobs
after federal reserve=immigrate to welfare state

thanks free markets, youre fucking rock stars
I think the Irish in the 1800's would have found your view wanting. Let's not forget in that time people would have been calling for their deportation the same way people do Mexicans today. Except they were "legal". Still stealing " your jobs" though. Which clearly is an indication their were enough to go around.
 

ASCIIGHOST

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I think the Irish in the 1800's would have found your view wanting. Let's not forget in that time people would have been calling for their deportation the same way people do Mexicans today. Except they were "legal". Still stealing " your jobs" though. Which clearly is an indication their were enough to go around.
no because i understand full markets, i would not scapegoat anyone for "taking my job" i am smart enough to do many things........all the US indoor cannabis growers stole the mexicans job....well not all, but a lot.
 

FauxRoux

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no because i understand full markets, i would not scapegoat anyone for "taking my job" i am smart enough to do many things........all the US indoor cannabis growers stole the mexicans job....well not all, but a lot.
You said before federal reserve....that's pre 1913 or so....so what does your understanding have to do with it? You weren't born then. And you said "everyone wanted to immagrate here cause there were enough jobs to go around pre federal reserve...that is not true. There was massive unemployment in the late 1800's..the Irish being a good example of this....what that has to do with whites stealing pot growing jobs (its only been a " job" and not a black market for a few years) from Mexicans (which didn't start until the late 50's and really not until the 60's)...I don't know.

P.S. hell.....the high price tag on weed didn't even really take full swing until Reagan's war on drugs which forced growing indoors. Without that we wouldn't have the strains and attention to detail that caused the leaps in quality we've seen in the last 25 years. Before that it was still just hippies throwing bag seed into the yard. Remember $10 lids?
 
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Wavels

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The so called ACA...Affordable Care Act, is in the process of imploding.
It has not been able to contain health coverage costs, and it certainly failed to accomplish Obama's commitment to save every American family $2500 per year...
What a farce, fiasco, and joke...keep in mind that this misguided legislation garnered not one Republican vote...not even one...
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Why Obamacare Will Fail
Political discussion aside, The Affordable Care Act (ACA) will fail for business reasons. Whether the ultimate result is the law getting repealed or modified, change is necessary to have a viable and vibrant health insurance industry that drives cost reduction and improved customer service.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-karr/why-obamacare-will-fail_b_8586192.html?utm_hp_ref=obamacare

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Now, I think that it is not outside of the realm of possibility that the ACA was conceived as a diabolical Trojan Horse, the predictable failure of which would lead the US to a single payer plan by default.
 
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