Standing O..Bernie Sanders!

[FauxRoux]

I don't believe Bernie himself rapes and pillages, he just votes to fund raping and pillaging abroad and will back a police state domestically.

Nobody that supports Bernie has told me why they like his funding of empire, they seem afraid to discuss his chicken hawk tendencies.

Fair enough. Personally I don't think its as black and white as that and I believe most people view him as the best option available. You may well be right on that point but with him wanting to limit private donors for campaigns alone is a mighty step. What you (at least seem) to be pushing for is so radical it simply won't happen. Going back to an anarchistic self governance sounds good in some ways (if I'm reading you right) but is unrealistic and impractical given our population.

I think we could still learn a thing or 2 from that type of freedom but it needs to start somewhere. He may not be perfect, but who is? He is a step in the right direction, claiming anything more would be giving a politician too much of the benefit of the doubt. Rome wasn't built in a day, as they say.

 

[Not GOP]

Bernie Sanders has A LOT of unions supporting and/or donating to his campaign. The most recent being the postal workers union.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/american-postal-workers-union-bernie-sanders_564491b6e4b060377347ca9a

 

[FauxRoux]

Bernie Sanders has A LOT of unions supporting and/or donating to his campaign. The most recent being the postal workers union.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/american-postal-workers-union-bernie-sanders_564491b6e4b060377347ca9a

He does have some, but the point is there is a difference between $2,700 and an unlimited amount by private interest.

And don't you have some points on trump to look over and have an opinion on?

 

[Rob Roy]

Fair enough. Personally I don't think its as black and white as that and I believe most people view him as the best option available. You may well be right on that point but with him wanting to limit private donors for campaigns alone is a mighty step. What you (at least seem) to be pushing for is so radical it simply won't happen. Going back to an anarchistic self governance sounds good in some ways (if I'm reading you right) but is unrealistic and impractical given our population.

I think we could still learn a thing or 2 from that type of freedom but it needs to start somewhere. He may not be perfect, but who is? He is a step in the right direction, claiming anything more would be giving a politician too much of the benefit of the doubt. Rome wasn't built in a day, as they say.

The part about Bernie voting to fund war and the military industrial complex is not in question. He did it. His balls should be busted hard on that, yet people give him a pass.


No, Bernie is NOT a step in the right direction, if the direction you want to go in is individual freedom for peaceful people. None of the current Presidential candidates differ much in that regard. They are all clowns, some just have bigger clown shoes.

The best option (personal freedom) is never a real choice, that's the lie of a false dichotomous political realm. The voting process leads Serfs to believe if they can pick their figurehead master, that it somehow equates to freedom. It's kind of funny.

 

[Not GOP]

I don't see how Bernie's immigration plan shouldn't exclude him entirely as a crazy man. Sanders said he's going to double down on Obama's executive amnsety with, or without Congress. While at the same time ignoring the 5th circuit court's DAPA injunction forbidding it. So I guess we don't need a Judicial or a legislative branch. All we need is Bernie.

 

[Rob Roy]

Ahh, so you prefer anarchy.... Good luck with that. and with the current state of affairs in the USA, you may just get your wish. We are teetering in the brink of revolution and its wishful thinking to feel it can't happen. We can only hope change can/will occur and prevent that. don't like being called Blue, so I won't hold my breath.........

and I just love all the talk about Bernie from people who have no clue who he is, or what he truly stands for.
So if you feel there is a better choice in the race, put your money where your mouth is, VOTE! If you don't YOU have no right to bitch about anything!

I prefer freedom and self determination of the peaceful individual. Do you?

If other people think by voting they can somehow forcibly determine how I will run my life, I have every right to bitch.

I'd appreciate hearing how you'd answer the question I asked above. Thanks.

 

[FauxRoux]

I prefer freedom and self determination of the peaceful individual. Do you?

If other people think by voting they can somehow forcibly determine how I will run my life, I have every right to bitch.

I'd appreciate hearing how you'd answer the question I asked above. Thanks.

Im with you man (although I cant argue with pop22 on that post really either). I think age has started to wear me down some is all...I admire your conviction. Show me a better path and im all ears. Cause I tried not participating and nobody cared. (im not being sarcastic by the by).

 

[Not GOP]

Im with you man (although I cant argue with pop22 on that post really either). I think age has started to wear me down some is all...I admire your conviction. Show me a better path and im all ears. Cause I tried not participating and nobody cared. (im not being sarcastic by the by).

That's a bull crap answer. Sounds like something Hubert Farnsworth would say

 

[FauxRoux]

That's a bull crap answer. Sounds like something Hubert Farnsworth would say

you know what? rather then shoot you down in the extremely easy way that ive grown accustomed...please explain.

Why is it a bullshit answer?

I agree with Rob roy that the system is broken and that it doesn't represent my ideals. When I was younger I took a similar stance and chose not to be involved in a system I found inherently corrupt and broken. This did not (of course) have a huge impact on the system. (Not that I have 1 now or anything...or much of any impact really)

I admire his conviction.

Which leads me to where I agree with pop22 in that Anarchy may hold some ideals I agree with but are not necessarily so practical (imo).

Hence my "getting older" comment. As people get older (don't worry you'll get there) often they find their youthful zeal wanes and their stances become broader. More accepting of differing views.

I also empathize with a desire to not be identified as a "Blue" as both sides are crooked in my eyes. Lastly his point that if people believe in something better (yes even Trump) they should follow that "truth" as it is an intrinsic right and those that don't participate are in effect giving power to the things they don't believe in (again...imo).

As ive tried to establish with you, I respect an intelligent opinion even if it differs from mine. Our friction can be summed up simply. You seem to have latched onto a seemingly ambiguous comment involving age, added a crack about an old person (Farnsworth) and publicly announced the comment bullshit without really seeming to even have frame of reference as to what is being said.

The truth is I wouldn't even mind your comment if you were able to state a reason for thinking its true.

If you were capable of intelligent discourse I would enjoy a conversation as we only stand to benefit from the challenge of a dissenting, intelligent viewpoint that differs from our own and forces us to think and consider.

So....Why is it a bullshit answer?

P.S. In Hubert's defense, you'd need to be pretty smart to come up with the things (including the dumb ones) he says. Hes fucking hilarious.

 

[Not GOP]

you know what? rather then shoot you down in the extremely easy way that ive grown accustomed...please explain.

Why is it a bullshit answer?

I agree with Rob roy that the system is broken and that it doesn't represent my ideals. When I was younger I took a similar stance and chose not to be involved in a system I found inherently corrupt and broken. This did not (of course) have a huge impact on the system. (Not that I have 1 now or anything...or much of any impact really)

I admire his conviction.

Which leads me to where I agree with pop22 in that Anarchy may hold some ideals I agree with but are not necessarily so practical (imo).

Hence my "getting older" comment. As people get older (don't worry you'll get there) often they find their youthful zeal wanes and their stances become broader. More accepting of differing views.

I also empathize with a desire to not be identified as a "Blue" as both sides are crooked in my eyes. Lastly his point that if people believe in something better (yes even Trump) they should follow that "truth" as it is an intrinsic right and those that don't participate are in effect giving power to the things they don't believe in (again...imo).

As ive tried to establish with you, I respect an intelligent opinion even if it differs from mine. Our friction can be summed up simply. You seem to have latched onto a seemingly ambiguous comment involving age, added a crack about an old person (Farnsworth) and publicly announced the comment bullshit without really seeming to even have frame of reference as to what is being said.

The truth is I wouldn't even mind your comment if you were able to state a reason for thinking its true.

If you were capable of intelligent discourse I would enjoy a conversation as we only stand to benefit from the challenge of a dissenting, intelligent viewpoint that differs from our own and forces us to think and consider.

So....Why is it a bullshit answer?

P.S. In Hubert's defense, you'd need to be pretty smart to come up with the things (including the dumb ones) he says. Hes fucking hilarious.

I was messing with you. You know, kind of like how you do ALL the time. Follow me around with cheap shot, smart ass comments. What, you don't like that? wow, I never would have guessed.

 

[ttystikk]

I don't really have an opinion of her. I'm just passing on the info.

I think she's great! truly refreshing; 'I wouldn't vote for Trump because I don't want to vote for a reality tv star.' But she'd vote for Roseanne? Welllllll... Roseanne isn't a reality tv star, is she?!

 

[ttystikk]

Whats with your inability to understand simple english or take a question for what it is instead of infwring some other meaning?



You question insinuates Trump is a good choice. He is not. Also his buisness experience seems to be at least half the reason people think hes a worthwhile candidate, so again....that question makes little sense.

Most important I dont think ANYONE should be excluded from running. It's a free country and I support that. I'm just not going to agree with an uneducated opinion about how great he is. Probably not an educated one either....but at least I would politely listen to an exchange of ideas with that person.

It's considered good social form to listen politely to the idiot, at least for a moment.

 

[ttystikk]

Indeed. He's also living proof that all the money in the world can't buy some people an ounce of class.

 

[ttystikk]

just keep reading it over and over until it finally makes sense, hopefully. whether you take me seriously or not doesn't really matter. To be honest I'd be far more pleased if you invested in a decent thesaurus then took me seriously

I think he just left... for the museum of natural history, lol

 

[ttystikk]

So rather then discredit your inability to communicate cause that's apparently not fair....here.


1. In October 1988, Donald Trump threw his wallet into the airline business by purchasing Eastern Air Shuttle, a service that for 27 years had run hourly flights between Boston, New York City and Washington, D.C. For roughly $365 million. Trump pushed to give the airline the Trump touch, making the previously no-muss, no-fuss shuttle service into a luxury experience. To this end, he added maple-wood veneer to the floors, chrome seat-belt latches and gold-colored bathroom fixtures. But his gamble was a bust. A lack of increased interest from customers (who favored the airline for its convenience not its fancy new look) combined with high pre–Gulf War fuel prices meant the shuttle never turned a profit. The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans, and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The Trump Shuttle ceased to exist in 1992.

2.The Donald had a vodka. Trump vodka (labeled super premium, naturally) was introduced in 2006. At the time, Trump predicted the T&T (Trump and Tonic) would become the most requested drink in America, surpassed only by the Trump Martini. The New York City blog Gothamist reports the vodka has stopped production "because the company failed to meet the threshold requirements." Trump's company filed an injunction to prevent an Israeli company from selling Trump vodka without his consent or authorization. Meaning the Donald stopped the only people in world who wanted to drink his vodka from doing so.

3,"I don't like the B word," Donald Trump said in 2010 while testifying in a New Jersey bankruptcy courtroom about his gambling company, Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc., which had filed for bankruptcy for the third time. Given the number of times Trump has flirted with bankruptcy, you'd think he'd be used to that word by now.

In 1990, the banking institutions that backed his real estate investments had to bail him out with a $65 million "rescue package" that contained new loans and credit. But it wasn't enough, and nine months later the famous developer was nearly $4 billion in debt. He didn't declare personal bankruptcy, although his famous Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, N.J., did have to file for it (bondholders ended up taking a 50% stake in the investment). Trump's economic troubles continued through the early '90s, while he was personally leveraged to nearly $1 billion. In 2004, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts also filed for bankruptcy. The company was only a small portion of Trump's real estate empire, but he did still have to personally cough up $72 million to keep it afloat. In 2009, the same company (by then renamed Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc.) filed for bankruptcy again. Yet during all of this, no one ever told Trump, "You're fired!" Probably because no one could.

4.In April 2006, Trump announced that, after years in the real estate business, he was launching a mortgage company. He held a glitzy press conference at which his son Donald Jr. predicted that Trump Mortgage would soon be the nation's No. 1 home-loan lender. Trump told CNBC, "Who knows more about financing than me?" Apparently, plenty. Within a year and a half, Trump Mortgage had closed shop. The would-be lending powerhouse was done in by timing (the housing market cratered in 2007) and ironically enough, given Trump's Apprentice TV show, poor hiring. The executive Trump selected to run his loan company, E.J. Ridings, claimed to have been a top executive at a prestigious investment bank. In reality, Ridings' highest role on Wall Street was as a registered broker, a position he held for a mere six days.

5."The problem with our country is we don't manufacture anything anymore," Donald Trump told Fox News a year ago. "The stuff that's been sent over from China," he complained, "falls apart after a year and a half. It's crap." That very same Donald Trump has his own line of clothing, and it's made in ... China. (O.K., O.K. — not all of it. Salon, which reported this intriguing, head-scratching fact, notes that some of his apparel is from Mexico and Bangladesh.)

6.When recently discussing oil prices on air with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, Donald Trump blustered on about the scheming malfeasance of OPEC and the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Trump insisted the U.S. could leverage its military supremacy to persuade OPEC to lower prices. In his words: "I'm going to look 'em in the eye and say, 'Fellas, you'd have your fun. Your fun is over.'" But this rather naive suggestion of bullying one of the U.S.'s most longstanding and essential allies in the Middle East — not to mention the recent customer in a megabillion-dollar U.S. weapons sale that would create tens of thousands of American jobs — was comparatively harmless when set against his next suggestion. Trump bemoaned U.S. costs sustained during its wars in the Middle East and floated the idea of "taking" Iraqi oil. Stephanopoulos countered incredulously, "So, we steal an oil field?" Trump responded, "Excuse me. You're not stealing anything. You're taking — we're reimbursing ourselves." Given how many U.S. leaders have had to stress to their Middle East interlocutors that they're not in it simply for the oil, Trump would be starting off regional relations on pretty slippery ground.


So....where would you like to start?

This is an excellent list of reasons why Donald the Chump should indeed be the republican nominee. He lies about his past, blows up every business deal he comes across, attempts to reinvent the language and casually insults our staunchest allies around the world. How does any of that make him a bad republican?!

BWAHAHAHA!

 

[Not GOP]

It's considered good social form to listen politely to the idiot, at least for a moment.

Since you're so smart Maybe you can justify Bernie's plan for immigration reform. I don't see how the plan shouldn't exclude him entirely as a crazy man. Sanders said he's going to double down on Obama's executive amnsety with, or without Congress. While at the same time ignoring the 5th circuit court's DAPA injunction forbidding it.

 

[Not GOP]

I think he just left... for the museum of natural history, lol

lame joke. How come Bernie didn't come out in support of Marijuana legalization until just recently? Sanders moved to Vermont as part of the hippy migration in the 60's. right? He said he tried smoking it once, but didn't like to cough. what a pussy. For years the career politician Bernie Sanders has not supported legalization as Senator, so why should we believe him now?

 

[Not GOP]

So rather then discredit your inability to communicate cause that's apparently not fair....here.


1. In October 1988, Donald Trump threw his wallet into the airline business by purchasing Eastern Air Shuttle, a service that for 27 years had run hourly flights between Boston, New York City and Washington, D.C. For roughly $365 million. Trump pushed to give the airline the Trump touch, making the previously no-muss, no-fuss shuttle service into a luxury experience. To this end, he added maple-wood veneer to the floors, chrome seat-belt latches and gold-colored bathroom fixtures. But his gamble was a bust. A lack of increased interest from customers (who favored the airline for its convenience not its fancy new look) combined with high pre–Gulf War fuel prices meant the shuttle never turned a profit. The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans, and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The Trump Shuttle ceased to exist in 1992.

2.The Donald had a vodka. Trump vodka (labeled super premium, naturally) was introduced in 2006. At the time, Trump predicted the T&T (Trump and Tonic) would become the most requested drink in America, surpassed only by the Trump Martini. The New York City blog Gothamist reports the vodka has stopped production "because the company failed to meet the threshold requirements." Trump's company filed an injunction to prevent an Israeli company from selling Trump vodka without his consent or authorization. Meaning the Donald stopped the only people in world who wanted to drink his vodka from doing so.

3,"I don't like the B word," Donald Trump said in 2010 while testifying in a New Jersey bankruptcy courtroom about his gambling company, Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc., which had filed for bankruptcy for the third time. Given the number of times Trump has flirted with bankruptcy, you'd think he'd be used to that word by now.

In 1990, the banking institutions that backed his real estate investments had to bail him out with a $65 million "rescue package" that contained new loans and credit. But it wasn't enough, and nine months later the famous developer was nearly $4 billion in debt. He didn't declare personal bankruptcy, although his famous Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, N.J., did have to file for it (bondholders ended up taking a 50% stake in the investment). Trump's economic troubles continued through the early '90s, while he was personally leveraged to nearly $1 billion. In 2004, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts also filed for bankruptcy. The company was only a small portion of Trump's real estate empire, but he did still have to personally cough up $72 million to keep it afloat. In 2009, the same company (by then renamed Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc.) filed for bankruptcy again. Yet during all of this, no one ever told Trump, "You're fired!" Probably because no one could.

4.In April 2006, Trump announced that, after years in the real estate business, he was launching a mortgage company. He held a glitzy press conference at which his son Donald Jr. predicted that Trump Mortgage would soon be the nation's No. 1 home-loan lender. Trump told CNBC, "Who knows more about financing than me?" Apparently, plenty. Within a year and a half, Trump Mortgage had closed shop. The would-be lending powerhouse was done in by timing (the housing market cratered in 2007) and ironically enough, given Trump's Apprentice TV show, poor hiring. The executive Trump selected to run his loan company, E.J. Ridings, claimed to have been a top executive at a prestigious investment bank. In reality, Ridings' highest role on Wall Street was as a registered broker, a position he held for a mere six days.

5."The problem with our country is we don't manufacture anything anymore," Donald Trump told Fox News a year ago. "The stuff that's been sent over from China," he complained, "falls apart after a year and a half. It's crap." That very same Donald Trump has his own line of clothing, and it's made in ... China. (O.K., O.K. — not all of it. Salon, which reported this intriguing, head-scratching fact, notes that some of his apparel is from Mexico and Bangladesh.)

6.When recently discussing oil prices on air with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, Donald Trump blustered on about the scheming malfeasance of OPEC and the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Trump insisted the U.S. could leverage its military supremacy to persuade OPEC to lower prices. In his words: "I'm going to look 'em in the eye and say, 'Fellas, you'd have your fun. Your fun is over.'" But this rather naive suggestion of bullying one of the U.S.'s most longstanding and essential allies in the Middle East — not to mention the recent customer in a megabillion-dollar U.S. weapons sale that would create tens of thousands of American jobs — was comparatively harmless when set against his next suggestion. Trump bemoaned U.S. costs sustained during its wars in the Middle East and floated the idea of "taking" Iraqi oil. Stephanopoulos countered incredulously, "So, we steal an oil field?" Trump responded, "Excuse me. You're not stealing anything. You're taking — we're reimbursing ourselves." Given how many U.S. leaders have had to stress to their Middle East interlocutors that they're not in it simply for the oil, Trump would be starting off regional relations on pretty slippery ground.


So....where would you like to start?

I would like to start at the part where you plagiarized The New Times article word for word, paragraph for paragraph. Hundreds of words at a time. That is a published article, and thereby copyright protected; which makes your actions stupid, and not ok.

http://www.newtimes.co.rw/section/article/2011-12-02/98983/

 

[schuylaar]

Feeling The Bern: Ronda Rousey Endorses Bernie Sanders

http://sports.politicususa.com/2015/11/11/feeling-the-bern-ronda-rousey-endorses-bernie-sanders.html

I must be out of touch..I've no idea who this person is..

 

[bearkat42]

I must be out of touch..I've no idea who this person is..