Mass Surveillance

gb123

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Vancouver cops mum on use of controversial surveillance technology

Vancouver police are refusing to disclose whether they use, or have ever considered using, a controversial mass-surveillance device widely adopted in the United States and vigorously condemned by civil liberty groups.

Geordon Omand , The Canadian Press
Published Thursday, November 12, 2015 10:33AM PST


Vancouver police are refusing to disclose whether they use, or have ever considered using, a controversial mass-surveillance device widely adopted in the United States and vigorously condemned by civil liberty groups.

Earlier this year the Vancouver department rebuffed a freedom-of-information request asking for any records about a technology known as Stingray. The department claimed that divulging documents on the topic could compromise the effectiveness of the force's investigative techniques.

Pivot Legal Society, the Vancouver-based advocacy organization that submitted the original access request, has since filed an appeal with the province's information and privacy commissioner.

Stingray is a device that imitates cellular communications towers in order to trick mobile devices within range to connect to it instead. The cell-site simulator is then able to intercept both text and audio communication, as well as extract internal data from connected devices and even pinpoint their precise locations.

"It's about police being able to gather information outside of the context of the court system," said Doug King, the Pivot lawyer who filed the information request. "It's an incredibly frightening proposition."

The American Civil Liberties Union has identified 57 agencies in 22 states that own Stingray devices, though the group said that number likely underrepresents the actual total given how many agencies purchase the technology secretly. Known groups include the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the National Security Agency and the Internal Revenue Service.

King said he was especially troubled by American media reports about Harris allegedly requiring customers to sign non-disclosure agreements in order to purchase Stingray technology, pledging not to divulge any information about the device or even any interactions with the company.

"I think by saying the mere acknowledgment of its existence puts it at jeopardy is kind of a confirmation of exactly the concern we have about it: that this can only be effective if nobody has any idea they're being watched by the police," he said.

There have been no confirmed reports of the technology's use in Canada so far.

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"If they're ever allowed to be used (here) then it's a no-brainer there needs to be judicial oversight," said King.

Canadians should be concerned about proper accountability measures being put in place, he added, especially given revelations over the past few years about the extent and intrusiveness of government surveillance.

In its response to Pivot, the Vancouver police would neither confirm nor deny having any information related to the mass-surveillance device, including whether it had ever been in contact with the Florida-based manufacturer Harris Corp.

"In some ways that response peaks our interest even more," said King. "If they hadn't at all you assume they would have just said, 'No documents exist."'

Stingrays also function as catch-all devices, intercepting not just a single signal but rather surveilling indiscriminately anyone within a particular radius.

"The whole reason that we need oversight is because police are normal human beings," King explained.

"They make mistakes and they do inappropriate things just like everybody else does. Somebody needs to be there to catch them and to stop them when that happens."

David Christopher, a spokesman for the civil-liberty organization Open Media, said the issue of Stingrays isn't restricted to Vancouver.

"This really does, presumably, affect police forces right across Canada, and also security agencies like the Canadian Security Intelligence Service," he said.

"In a sense, this is a real litmus test for the new (federal) government," he added. "Will they lift the lid on what's been going on here?"
 

Jackal69

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By the way you could probably build the same thing outta radio shack ... oppsss the loser source store parts.
 

ttystikk

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By the way you could probably build the same thing outta radio shack ... oppsss the loser source store parts.
Not exactly. It's a pretty sophisticated piece of equipment.

In fact, in order for this company to be able to successfully imitate cell towers, it needs pass codes from the phone companies... who would only give them up if compelled to. They'd only be compelled to for 'national security' reasons... and now it's being used to hunt common criminals, while in blatant violation of civil rights.

It's this kind of shit that freedom loving citizens of all nations must always be vigilant against.

There must be civilian, NON law enforcement related oversight of civilian police if we are to put a stop to their abuses.

Frankly, I think SWAT teams need to be dismantled across the country. They've been overused and abused to the point of tragedy and comedy- until they scare someone to death. Don't laugh; it's happened.
 

Jackal69

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Chips are chips... can source them anywhere... you just need to know how to build it is all... and your basically talking software/firmware for codes/instruction

All technology of the future already exists. ... somebody just hasn't built it yet.
OoooOoÒo insight
 

green217

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my local department has one of these, don't know a lot about it but from what i understand they can intercept text/phone calls and when they do it, it grabs a lot of other phones other than the one that the police are supposedly listening too. This is a sucky thing.
 

Dirty Harry

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If they won't confirm or deny using it...Then they are. That way they can't get caught lying about using it. It is just a "man in the middle" trick modified for cell usage. You connect to "it", it passes everything to a legit cell node while being able to intercept everything passing through.
 

ttystikk

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Chips are chips... can source them anywhere... you just need to know how to build it is all... and your basically talking software/firmware for codes/instruction

All technology of the future already exists. ... somebody just hasn't built it yet.
OoooOoÒo insight
Spoken like someone who hasn't built any yet. 'Wisdom'
 

The Hippy

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You know with the way Gov is taking away privacy and freedoms, it not hard to see why people go berzerk and start shooting. IMO people are backed into a corner more and more these days. I see why they explode. People just figure..." hey , what fuck"
 

ttystikk

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You know with the way Gov is taking away privacy and freedoms, it not hard to see why people go berzerk and start shooting. IMO people are backed into a corner more and more these days. I see why they explode. People just figure..." hey , what fuck"
The rational way to fight back is to get involved in the political process and expose the power hungry fascists for what they really are; greedy.
 

nobody important 666

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Vancouver cops mum on use of controversial surveillance technology

Vancouver police are refusing to disclose whether they use, or have ever considered using, a controversial mass-surveillance device widely adopted in the United States and vigorously condemned by civil liberty groups.

Geordon Omand , The Canadian Press
Published Thursday, November 12, 2015 10:33AM PST


Vancouver police are refusing to disclose whether they use, or have ever considered using, a controversial mass-surveillance device widely adopted in the United States and vigorously condemned by civil liberty groups.

Earlier this year the Vancouver department rebuffed a freedom-of-information request asking for any records about a technology known as Stingray. The department claimed that divulging documents on the topic could compromise the effectiveness of the force's investigative techniques.

Pivot Legal Society, the Vancouver-based advocacy organization that submitted the original access request, has since filed an appeal with the province's information and privacy commissioner.

Stingray is a device that imitates cellular communications towers in order to trick mobile devices within range to connect to it instead. The cell-site simulator is then able to intercept both text and audio communication, as well as extract internal data from connected devices and even pinpoint their precise locations.

"It's about police being able to gather information outside of the context of the court system," said Doug King, the Pivot lawyer who filed the information request. "It's an incredibly frightening proposition."

The American Civil Liberties Union has identified 57 agencies in 22 states that own Stingray devices, though the group said that number likely underrepresents the actual total given how many agencies purchase the technology secretly. Known groups include the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the National Security Agency and the Internal Revenue Service.

King said he was especially troubled by American media reports about Harris allegedly requiring customers to sign non-disclosure agreements in order to purchase Stingray technology, pledging not to divulge any information about the device or even any interactions with the company.

"I think by saying the mere acknowledgment of its existence puts it at jeopardy is kind of a confirmation of exactly the concern we have about it: that this can only be effective if nobody has any idea they're being watched by the police," he said.

There have been no confirmed reports of the technology's use in Canada so far.

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"If they're ever allowed to be used (here) then it's a no-brainer there needs to be judicial oversight," said King.

Canadians should be concerned about proper accountability measures being put in place, he added, especially given revelations over the past few years about the extent and intrusiveness of government surveillance.

In its response to Pivot, the Vancouver police would neither confirm nor deny having any information related to the mass-surveillance device, including whether it had ever been in contact with the Florida-based manufacturer Harris Corp.

"In some ways that response peaks our interest even more," said King. "If they hadn't at all you assume they would have just said, 'No documents exist."'

Stingrays also function as catch-all devices, intercepting not just a single signal but rather surveilling indiscriminately anyone within a particular radius.

"The whole reason that we need oversight is because police are normal human beings," King explained.

"They make mistakes and they do inappropriate things just like everybody else does. Somebody needs to be there to catch them and to stop them when that happens."

David Christopher, a spokesman for the civil-liberty organization Open Media, said the issue of Stingrays isn't restricted to Vancouver.

"This really does, presumably, affect police forces right across Canada, and also security agencies like the Canadian Security Intelligence Service," he said.

"In a sense, this is a real litmus test for the new (federal) government," he added. "Will they lift the lid on what's been going on here?"
The scoc has ruled that cell phone use and electronic use are not covered under the privacy act. That happened years ago. The cops dont have to tell you squat until you are charged. A land line is defferent as they have to notify withen 24hrs that it is tapped.
 

ttystikk

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The scoc has ruled that cell phone use and electronic use are not covered under the privacy act. That happened years ago. The cops dont have to tell you squat until you are charged. A land line is defferent as they have to notify withen 24hrs that it is tapped.
So much for your privacy rights...
 

gb123

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The scoc has ruled that cell phone use and electronic use are not covered under the privacy act. That happened years ago. The cops dont have to tell you squat until you are charged. A land line is defferent as they have to notify withen 24hrs that it is tapped.
they have to inform you that you are been bugged after three months actually :)

they have listened to house phones(without lifting the reciever) for ver...they dont have to do it legally lol never have
 

ttystikk

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If your so paranoid use encryption to send your criminal messages and phone calls
Spycraft; dead drops, secret codes, inconspicuous passing of materials between people...

It isn't paranoia if THEY REALLY ARE out to get you... with a billion dollar budget.
 

Jackal69

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Spycraft; dead drops, secret codes, inconspicuous passing of materials between people...

It isn't paranoia if THEY REALLY ARE out to get you... with a billion dollar budget.
Really what are you scared of ..... really what are they going to find out..... what are you hiding damn it! !!!!! Hahaha really though .... who fucking cares.... unless your doing something ....
 

Jackal69

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People always complain about privacy yet blab their personal shit all over social media... that's giving your habits to a company hahahaha what's worse
Corporate spying or govt spying lmao
 

ttystikk

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Really what are you scared of ..... really what are they going to find out..... what are you hiding damn it! !!!!! Hahaha really though .... who fucking cares.... unless your doing something ....
Growing marijuana is still a federal crime that people are STILL being incarcerated every day for, STUPID.

An unintelligent man can keep his mouth shut and preserve some doubt- but a fool shouts his ignorance for all to hear.
 
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