Is it possible that NASA faked the moon landing?

reddan1981

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Što ako sam odgovorio da vas u bosanskom?
Čak sam mogao, formatirajte ga na način da izgleda inteligentan.
Hoćete li odgovoriti na stvarni pitanje, ili ćete nastaviti pružati zabluda i Fain inteligenciju?
Ja sam pod uvjetom dokaz, ne prihvaćaju ga kao valjana, ja ne belive vaš dokaz vrijedi. Gdje idemo odavde?
 

tyler.durden

Well-Known Member
Što ako sam odgovorio da vas u bosanskom?
Čak sam mogao, formatirajte ga na način da izgleda inteligentan.
Hoćete li odgovoriti na stvarni pitanje, ili ćete nastaviti pružati zabluda i Fain inteligenciju?
Ja sam pod uvjetom dokaz, ne prihvaćaju ga kao valjana, ja ne belive vaš dokaz vrijedi. Gdje idemo odavde?
What proof have you provided? You posted one video from an independent and unpopular Youtuber regarding NASA faking something to do the the Mars Rover? What are this person's qualifications, and how does that pertain to us landing on the moon? Your confusion is showing once again. It comes down to one's standard for what constitutes evidence. You believe a random YTer's specious, unverified assertion as reality, while denying scores peer reviewed evidence from many separate credible sources. That is beyond irrational. The more you post, the more foolish you seem. If this is your methodology in attempting to learn about reality, there is no hope for you. You are lost and the conversation is necessarily over.

“If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?”- Sam Harris
 

reddan1981

Well-Known Member
1. reply "much of the evidence does not come from NASA,"
2." There is evidence on the moon itself that we were there, and all serious questions about the mission have been answered."
3. If you would like to provide any credible evidence to the contrary, the world would love to take a look." -
Photo Evidence: (All this photo evidence is well-documented at www.aulis.com and all available from NASA photo directories)

-There are dozens of photos showing shadows of astronauts, flags, rocks and other objects falling in different directions up to 90 degrees apart; this is impossible without secondary lighting which was not brought to the moon, the only light is the sun coming from one direction which casts all shadows in one direction, not two







-In consecutive Apollo 17 photos (AS17-135-20588 and 89) the rock’s shadows change almost 180 degrees as if they switched studio-lights between shots

-In one shot (AS14-64-9089) studio-lighting representing the sun is seen reflecting off a black background, a photographic effect that couldn’t happen in the blackness of space, and could only reflect off a background



-In one Apollo 17 shot (AS17-140-21370) the moon rover is shown still packed up, not yet unloaded, but there are clear wheel tracks going across the foreground of the entire photo



-There is one Apollo 12 shot that shows the reflection of what can only be an overhead studio light, and another (AS12-49-7278) which shows two lens flares from overhead lighting





-There is one shot (15-86-11670) which clearly shows a sneaker-print partially covered by an astronaut boot-print (there were no sneakers on the moon, the astronaut’s boot-prints are otherwise all uniform)

-Many consecutive photos supposedly from astronaut’s hand-held cameras are exactly the same, completely unmoved, to a degree only achieved by a tripod

-Consecutive photos AS11-40-5862 and 63 show the lunar lander with different colored windows, different lettering on the United States sign, and a mysterious disappearing component



-Buzz Aldrin in consecutive Apollo 11 photos changes from white gloves, to dark gray gloves, back to white gloves, and back to dark gray gloves

-There is never a burn print under the lunar lander, nor is there any dust/dirt on the landing pod feet, as if it was just set down gently onto a stage

-There are many pictures which show moon rovers with no wheel tracks in front or behind them (as though they were set down into place) even though there are many footprints all around

-There are pictures of astronauts shown with footprints all around them, but no prints leading to or from where they are, as if they were lowered into place by wire

-There are shots that appear out of sequence in the timetable given

-There are shots which show camera cross-hairs being overlayed onto the original

-Photo AS11-40-5922 close-up of the Apollo 11 Eagle is classic, looks uncannily like cardboard, construction paper, scotch tape and wires



-The video from the Data Acquisition Camera mounted on the Apollo 11 starboard window and the Tripod Mounted TV Camera mounted outside both pan, tilt, reframe, and zoom supposedly while unmanned

-In the 6 moon missions the total time on the moon amounted to 4834 minutes and the total number of photographs taken was 5771; this means they were taking an average of one photo every 50 seconds, covering vast distances, all while supposedly doing many other tasks, collecting rocks, planting flags, making repairs, driving moon rovers etc. Is this even feasible?


General Evidence:


-NASA made all networks record their feed for TV broadcast, so that’s why we only ever see the grainy recording of a recording on TV, and now NASA says they lost the original high-definition video and data telemetry tapes so they can never be verified

-Blueprints and designs of certain machines are missing from both NASA and the companies which supposedly constructed them such as the Apollo Lunar Module and rover

-Van Allen Belt, Russians could never get beyond because of intense radiation that recquires 4 feet of lead shielding too heavy to rocket into orbit; and in 1969-70 the Van Allen Belt was at it’s 11 year cycle peak radiation yet somehow American astronauts and their film was able to survive this without shielding

-There are no stars in any of the moon pictures/video, just complete darkness; they couldn’t make a perfect model in a studio, even a planetarium layout can only be seen in absolute darkness, spotlighting from the “sun” would block out the “star” lighting; so they cover this by saying the sun is SO bright on the moon that the astronauts couldn’t remember seeing stars either

-The moon walk is in half-speed slow-mo; if you speed it up x2 the astronauts are clearly in Earth gravity walking normally with long strides

-The flag in many photos and videos is shown flapping in the wind on the supposedly atmosphere-less moon

-Werner Von Braun took a NASA team to Antarctica in 1967 and was purported to be collecting “moon rocks.” Later Bill Kaysing (author of “We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle”) hired his private investigator friend Paul Jacobs to check with the head of the US Department of Geology in Washington and ask, “did you examine the Moon rocks, and did they come from the Moon?” The geologist simply laughed and insinuated that people high in the US government knew all about the cover-up.

-11 Apollo astronauts were mysteriously killed before making their missions, 3 had oxygen pumped into their test capsule until it exploded, 7 died in 6 separate plane crashes, and 1 died in a car crash, highly unlikely coincidence, points towards a cover-up

-The astronauts rarely give public interviews or take questions at speaking events and were very unconvincing on their first interview back from the moon

-Buzz Aldrin punched Bart Sibrel who called him out on the hoax after he wouldn’t place his hand on the Bible and say he went to the moon

-Buzz Aldrin Jr. (Apollo 11), Gordon Cooper Jr., (Mercury 9, Gemini 5), Donn Eisele (Apollo 7), John Glenn Jr., (Mercury 6), Virgil Grissom (Apollo 1&15, Mercury 5, Gemini 3), James Irwin (Apollo 15), Edgar Mitchell (Apollo 14), Walter Schirra Jr. (Apollo 7, Sigma 7, Gemini 6, Mercury 8), Thomas Stafford (Apollo 10&18, Gemini 7&9), and Paul Weitz (Skylab 2, Challenger), all these astronauts are Masons

-The first director of NASA was Werner Von Braun one of hundreds of NAZI rocket scientists brought into America through the OSS Project Paperclip

-Nazis and Masons are not the most historically trustworthy folks

-Why didn’t NASA make some sort of light/flare display from the moon that people could see without their TVs to prove they were there?

-Why no color video on Apollo 11 when we know the astronauts had a color camera with them?

Peace,
~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com
www.ericdubay.blogspot.com
' Take the effort to learn the intricacies of the processes and genius behind these great accomplishments, instead to trying to deny them for no valid reason. Maybe all the great minds that make up the scientific community aren't wrong. - The epitome of hypocracy, Tyler Durden
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reddan1981

Well-Known Member
“The Van Allen radiation belts are a torus (doughnut shape) of energetic charged particles circling Earth around its magnetic equator and held in place by Earth’s magnetic field. The main belts extend from an altitude of about 1,000 to 60,000 kilometers above the surface in which region radiation levels vary. Most of the particles that form the belts are thought to come from solar wind and other particles by cosmic rays.” –Robert A. Braeunig

In order for the Apollo, or any lunar mission, to be successful, the equipment and crew aboard the spacecraft would have to be adequately shielded from exposure from the intense radiation surrounding planet earth.
Robert A. Braeunig, author of Rocket & Space Technology has put together a compelling scientific refutation of the Apollo hoax theory, making the scientific case that the trajectory of the Apollo spacecraft allowed the vessel to avoid the highest concentrations of energy in the torus shaped Van Allen belts which do not fully encircle the earth. With the right trajectory, he purports, it would only be necessary to shield against the possibility of an unexpected increase in solar activity.
In the following video clip a NASA engineer working on the Orion project explains the challenge of bringing a ship and crew into space well above low earth orbit, and beyond the radiation belts. Speaking about their effort he remarks, “we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space,” implying that this question had not already been solved by the research and accomplishments of Apollo.
If in the 1960’s we were able to successfully overcome the challenge of reaching the moon and beyond, then why is it an issue now?
In addition to the questions raised by the Van Allen belts and the footage of the moon landings, there are many other interesting scientific and political anomalies surrounding the authenticity of the Apollo lunar missions. A quick look down this rabbit hole can easily suck you in all the way.
For a more comprehensive view of the information supporting the theory that the moon landings were faked, take a look at the following presentation or search online for more resources. And for a reasonable refutation of some of the alternative theories on this, take a look at the work of Robert A. Braeunig.
 

reddan1981

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Award winning filmmaker Bart Sibrel (Sibrel.com) presents his highly acclaimed (and much hated) controversial documentary showcasing newly discovered behind-the-scenes out-takes from the first mission to the moon, proving that the crew never left earth orbit.






 

SunnyJim

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Its Bosnian, but close enough brother. I used it because, it emphasizes a general point that I'm attempting to make.
Sincere apologies, no offence intended. Out of interest, what general point are you trying to emphasise by writing in Bosnian?

As for the 'shadows' part of the moon landing conspiracy theory, you should add the keyword 'debunked' to your google searches. It has been explained and refuted successfully many times. See convergence and vanishing points.
 

bluntmassa1

Well-Known Member
Photo Evidence: (All this photo evidence is well-documented at www.aulis.com and all available from NASA photo directories)

-There are dozens of photos showing shadows of astronauts, flags, rocks and other objects falling in different directions up to 90 degrees apart; this is impossible without secondary lighting which was not brought to the moon, the only light is the sun coming from one direction which casts all shadows in one direction, not two







-In consecutive Apollo 17 photos (AS17-135-20588 and 89) the rock’s shadows change almost 180 degrees as if they switched studio-lights between shots

-In one shot (AS14-64-9089) studio-lighting representing the sun is seen reflecting off a black background, a photographic effect that couldn’t happen in the blackness of space, and could only reflect off a background



-In one Apollo 17 shot (AS17-140-21370) the moon rover is shown still packed up, not yet unloaded, but there are clear wheel tracks going across the foreground of the entire photo



-There is one Apollo 12 shot that shows the reflection of what can only be an overhead studio light, and another (AS12-49-7278) which shows two lens flares from overhead lighting





-There is one shot (15-86-11670) which clearly shows a sneaker-print partially covered by an astronaut boot-print (there were no sneakers on the moon, the astronaut’s boot-prints are otherwise all uniform)

-Many consecutive photos supposedly from astronaut’s hand-held cameras are exactly the same, completely unmoved, to a degree only achieved by a tripod

-Consecutive photos AS11-40-5862 and 63 show the lunar lander with different colored windows, different lettering on the United States sign, and a mysterious disappearing component



-Buzz Aldrin in consecutive Apollo 11 photos changes from white gloves, to dark gray gloves, back to white gloves, and back to dark gray gloves

-There is never a burn print under the lunar lander, nor is there any dust/dirt on the landing pod feet, as if it was just set down gently onto a stage

-There are many pictures which show moon rovers with no wheel tracks in front or behind them (as though they were set down into place) even though there are many footprints all around

-There are pictures of astronauts shown with footprints all around them, but no prints leading to or from where they are, as if they were lowered into place by wire

-There are shots that appear out of sequence in the timetable given

-There are shots which show camera cross-hairs being overlayed onto the original

-Photo AS11-40-5922 close-up of the Apollo 11 Eagle is classic, looks uncannily like cardboard, construction paper, scotch tape and wires



-The video from the Data Acquisition Camera mounted on the Apollo 11 starboard window and the Tripod Mounted TV Camera mounted outside both pan, tilt, reframe, and zoom supposedly while unmanned

-In the 6 moon missions the total time on the moon amounted to 4834 minutes and the total number of photographs taken was 5771; this means they were taking an average of one photo every 50 seconds, covering vast distances, all while supposedly doing many other tasks, collecting rocks, planting flags, making repairs, driving moon rovers etc. Is this even feasible?

General Evidence:

-NASA made all networks record their feed for TV broadcast, so that’s why we only ever see the grainy recording of a recording on TV, and now NASA says they lost the original high-definition video and data telemetry tapes so they can never be verified

-Blueprints and designs of certain machines are missing from both NASA and the companies which supposedly constructed them such as the Apollo Lunar Module and rover

-Van Allen Belt, Russians could never get beyond because of intense radiation that recquires 4 feet of lead shielding too heavy to rocket into orbit; and in 1969-70 the Van Allen Belt was at it’s 11 year cycle peak radiation yet somehow American astronauts and their film was able to survive this without shielding

-There are no stars in any of the moon pictures/video, just complete darkness; they couldn’t make a perfect model in a studio, even a planetarium layout can only be seen in absolute darkness, spotlighting from the “sun” would block out the “star” lighting; so they cover this by saying the sun is SO bright on the moon that the astronauts couldn’t remember seeing stars either

-The moon walk is in half-speed slow-mo; if you speed it up x2 the astronauts are clearly in Earth gravity walking normally with long strides

-The flag in many photos and videos is shown flapping in the wind on the supposedly atmosphere-less moon

-Werner Von Braun took a NASA team to Antarctica in 1967 and was purported to be collecting “moon rocks.” Later Bill Kaysing (author of “We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle”) hired his private investigator friend Paul Jacobs to check with the head of the US Department of Geology in Washington and ask, “did you examine the Moon rocks, and did they come from the Moon?” The geologist simply laughed and insinuated that people high in the US government knew all about the cover-up.

-11 Apollo astronauts were mysteriously killed before making their missions, 3 had oxygen pumped into their test capsule until it exploded, 7 died in 6 separate plane crashes, and 1 died in a car crash, highly unlikely coincidence, points towards a cover-up

-The astronauts rarely give public interviews or take questions at speaking events and were very unconvincing on their first interview back from the moon

-Buzz Aldrin punched Bart Sibrel who called him out on the hoax after he wouldn’t place his hand on the Bible and say he went to the moon

-Buzz Aldrin Jr. (Apollo 11), Gordon Cooper Jr., (Mercury 9, Gemini 5), Donn Eisele (Apollo 7), John Glenn Jr., (Mercury 6), Virgil Grissom (Apollo 1&15, Mercury 5, Gemini 3), James Irwin (Apollo 15), Edgar Mitchell (Apollo 14), Walter Schirra Jr. (Apollo 7, Sigma 7, Gemini 6, Mercury 8), Thomas Stafford (Apollo 10&18, Gemini 7&9), and Paul Weitz (Skylab 2, Challenger), all these astronauts are Masons

-The first director of NASA was Werner Von Braun one of hundreds of NAZI rocket scientists brought into America through the OSS Project Paperclip

-Nazis and Masons are not the most historically trustworthy folks

-Why didn’t NASA make some sort of light/flare display from the moon that people could see without their TVs to prove they were there?

-Why no color video on Apollo 11 when we know the astronauts had a color camera with them?

Peace,
~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com
www.ericdubay.blogspot.com
' Take the effort to learn the intricacies of the processes and genius behind these great accomplishments, instead to trying to deny them for no valid reason. Maybe all the great minds that make up the scientific community aren't wrong. - The epitome of hypocracy, Tyler Durden
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What do you want us to do have a firework show on the moon for the world to see? But not really plausible cause each one would need it's oxygen cause fire don't burn without it maybe a light show just need to be massive or only those in the right places with a telescope can see. So y'all will still call hoax just wait Mars will be colonized in a few years long as they reach it alive and we found water so I got a million dollars say's we find life under the surface where it is warm.
 

reddan1981

Well-Known Member
Sincere apologies, no offence intended. Out of interest, what general point are you trying to emphasise by writing in Bosnian?.
No offence taken mate. My intention for emphasis is outside the scope of this discussion, it involves prejudices and an inclination to use superfluous tautology, I was also highlighting difficulties we face in translating each others meanings and interpretations. Having a reasonable command on the English language, does not make you a good communicator, or less stupid. When the question is ' Is it possible that NASA faked the moon landings', the only answer not from ignorance is yes, it is possible when the weight of evidence could be balanced with either truth .
 
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dr.gonzo1

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Dear o dear.

I'm not a smart man but even I struggle to buy this shit. I may be wrong but I thought amateur astronomers can see landing marks, flag and other pieces of evidence that prove the moon landings were real.
 

GreatwhiteNorth

Global Moderator
Staff member
Dear o dear.

I'm not a smart man but even I struggle to buy this shit. I may be wrong but I thought amateur astronomers can see landing marks, flag and other pieces of evidence that prove the moon landings were real.
Scientist's cameras find 5 flags on moon
By Anne Ryman, The Arizona Republic
Updated 7/31/2012 4:41 PM

For years, scientists and space buffs have wondered what happened to the six American flags planted on the moon during the historic Apollo missions.


  • NASA/Gannett
  • This image taken from the camera of the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter shows one of the flags planted during Apollo missions to the moon.

Now, thanks to high-resolution cameras orbiting the moon, the mystery is solved: All the flags but one are still standing. The exception is the flag for Apollo 11, the historic first human moon landing in 1969, said professor Mark Robinson of Arizona State University, lead scientist for the cameras aboard the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.

The lack of an Apollo 11 flag is consistent with astronaut Buzz Aldrin's memory of the famous mission. Aldrin said the flag blew over from the rocket blast when astronauts left the surface.

Robinson previously had doubted whether any flags would be visible.

"Personally, I was a bit surprised that the flags survived the harsh ultraviolet light and temperatures of the lunar surface, but they did. What they look like is another question (badly faded?)," Robinson wrote in a recent blog on the orbiter's website.

Images taken by the orbiter show the flags and their shadows but aren't detailed enough to reveal whether the Stars and Stripes are still visible.

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is an unmanned spacecraft that has been circling the moon for more than three years. The minivan-size orbiter has equipment that is photographing the moon's surface, recording temperatures and measuring radiation.

The photographs are being used to map the surface and could be used to identify future landing sites, although the United States now has no plans to send humans back to the moon.

NASA's Apollo program included multiple launches in the late 1960s and early 1970s and was designed mainly to land humans on the moon and bring them back to Earth safely.

Six missions accomplished this. Others were not as successful.

A cabin fire on Apollo 1 killed three astronauts during a launch-pad test in 1967. Apollo 13 was unable to land after an oxygen tank exploded and forced the crew to return to Earth in 1970.

Even with the mishaps, the Apollo program is viewed as widely successful and credited with igniting a generation's interest in space. The last manned mission to the moon was Apollo 17 in December 1972.

Signs of the missions are still visible on the moon's surface. Photos taken by the lunar orbiter show tracks made by lunar rovers and equipment left behind, including backpacks jettisoned by astronauts. Images taken of the Apollo 17 site show the astronauts' foot trails.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/story/2012-07-31/flags-moon-apollo/56613308/1
 

reddan1981

Well-Known Member
Home town support, eh? you know as coincidences happen Robinson is also a member of the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter CRISM imaging spectrometer team working to find the spectral fingerprints of aqueous and hydrothermal deposits to help unravel the history of water on Mars. lol look at the photo my mate, do you see what they are claiming, is it possible the photo is fake? How much money has been spent on the LRO ?
 
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SunnyJim

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No offence taken mate. My intention for emphasis is outside the scope of this discussion, it involves prejudices and an inclination to use superfluous tautology, I was also highlighting difficulties we face in translating each others meanings and interpretations. Having a reasonable command on the English language, does not make you a good communicator, or less stupid. When the question is ' Is it possible that NASA faked the moon landings', the only answer not from ignorance is yes, it is possible when the weight of evidence could be balanced with either truth .
Understood. I think we can all agree that your mastery of the English language is more than sufficient to make your point clearly.

For me personally, it isn't how you're presenting your evidence, it's the evidence itself. I always applaud people who don't readily accept what they're being told as 'truths', but you seem like a smart enough guy to look for opposing arguments to challenge your way of thinking.

For every contentious point in your conspiracy, there is usually plenty of evidence to refute it. Just read it.

How many people would you suggest were involved in the moon landing (for real or faked)?
 

tyler.durden

Well-Known Member
Even the material you post as evidence goes against your point. This shows that you truly don't understand what is being discussed, or that you aren't bothering to view the material you post. In this video the NASA engineer never states or implies that we can't get by the Van Allen belts, he simply states we need to adequately shield the spacecraft and crew. At 3:27 he states, "But Orion has protection" and goes on to explain the details. This is the polar opposite of the sensationalist title of your video. Are you truly this daft that you cannot understand this? I don't think elementary school kids would have the comprehension trouble you are displaying. Also, this problem was addressed and the risk managed by the Apollo mission -

http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/apollo-rocketed-through-van-allen-belts

"additional research into the Van Allen belts determined they weren’t a deal breaker for missions to the Moon. (By 1969, the high-energy electrons injected into the lower Van Allen belt by the Starfish Prime event had decayed to one-twelfth of its post-test peak intensity.) By February of 1964, NASA was confident that Apollo crews would be passing through the belts fast enough that the spacecraft’s skin and all the instrumentation lining the walls would be enough protection. It might seem foolhardy in hindsight for NASA to have accepted the risks of send astronauts through the Van Allen belts without extra protection, but it was a minor risk in the scheme of the mission."

What you post as evidence for your point turns out to be evidence for our point. Great job, genius...
 

Dr.Pecker

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Hay guys, what should we do with all these cabinets and that old furnace? I got an idea, lets build a spaceship.
 
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