Is it curtains for Harper?

[Gquebed]

Maybe you should look outside the boxthere is a 4 year old boy in my town that had his terminal cancer go into remission with RSO. Maybe check out Rick Simpsons webpage. There's 100 of people who have beat cancers using cannabis.... So maybe check your facts

And the best friend i grew up with had terminal brain cancer that went into remission entirely on its own. Zero treatment. Nadda. Nothing. He is brain damaged because of it. But he is alive.

My point was.... marijuana has shown potential as a cancer treatment. Yes. This is documented. It is a theory. But NOBODY knows why or how. So the theory is unproven. And until they do know why and how that is all it is... a theory. I dearly hope that may change as much as any cancer patient. But until then...

It is only hope. All i am saying is that hystrionics doesnt help any cause. And it is this sort of thing that holds the rest of us back.

Facts are what will win our cause. So study is what is required. That is going gangbusters now...on both sides of the issue. Let those decide the matter instead of emotion..

 

[GrowRock]

Just sayin...i have had my HC exemption for med mari for a long while. I am all for it and the health benefits to be had from the plant. What i hate is bullshit hysterics as above from whack jobs... as they are the biggest reason marijuana and those who need are stigmatized and why it hasnt been made legal a long time ago.

Ya and assuming someone is a whack job. You probably believe government and pharmacutical companies have your best interest in mind and have never squashed any studies......

 

[eddymatin]

my mother came out of her brain surgery, but the tumor was not completely removed. It is proven that mmj can drastically stop epileptic attacks and that is the reason my mother wants to try this demonized plant, but her doc refused and slapped her with a nice cocktail of pills. My wife's doc also declined her mmj script in the beginning. Canadians are getting hurt by their own government. For one whole week she was a zombie, until the doc noticed that her dosage was to high for a certain pill. Gquebed, you are wrong. To tell you the truth, the MMPR system is harder to acquire mmj because our docs live in fear lol Took my wife a
referral because the doc didn't even want to pronounce "cannabis"

 

[Gquebed]

Ya and assuming someone is a whack job. You probably believe government and pharmacutical companies have your best interest in mind and have never squashed any studies......

Dont try to guess what i believe.

Just because my straight talk is not 100% pro-weed does not mean i am on the "other side."

I happen to believe that weed has a ton of health benefits. Some ofbthose yet to be discovered. But i also believe that weed is not some miracle wonder medicine that is going to save the entire planet and everyone on it.

And that seems to be the thing in this forum....if youre not 100% for weed then you must be 100% in favour of big pharma....

 

[Gquebed]

my mother came out of her brain surgery, but the tumor was not completely removed. It is proven that mmj can drastically stop epileptic attacks and that is the reason my mother wants to try this demonized plant, but her doc refused and slapped her with a nice cocktail of pills. My wife's doc also declined her mmj script in the beginning. Canadians are getting hurt by their own government. For one whole week she was a zombie, until the doc noticed that her dosage was to high for a certain pill. Gquebed, you are wrong. To tell you the truth, the MMPR system is harder to acquire mmj because our docs live in fear lol Took my wife a
referral because the doc didn't even want to pronounce "cannabis"

Your story is just another one like every other on here. Mine included. You are not telling me anything i have not already lived myself.

All i have said is that nobody has died as a result of being denied weed as medicine. If i am wrong then name those people and their ailments...

As for my family doc...he was not entirely sold on the idea that weed would be effective for me, but he considered signing my forms. The reason he refused in the end was not because of a directive from his college of physicians and surgeons that threatend punishment for signing such forms and not because weed is untested as a remedy for anything. He refused simply because if he signed my forms he would be obligated to sign others for legitimate patients and while that wouldnt be a bad thing he said that to get to those lefit patients he would have to sort through a waiting room full of kooks and crackpots just looking to get high.

I couldnt argue wih that. So i went to BC to pay a doctor i had never seen before sign my forms...

My point? Again...hysterical statements such as people are dying from being denied medical marijuana is the kind of thing that paints us all as kooks. Weed is not saving anybody's life. But it is doing a great deal tobease the pain of those who suffer from particular illnesses. Two veryvdifferent things...

So no...i am not wrong.

 

[GrowRock]

Dont try to guess what i believe.

Just because my straight talk is not 100% pro-weed does not mean i am on the "other side."

I happen to believe that weed has a ton of health benefits. Some ofbthose yet to be discovered. But i also believe that weed is not some miracle wonder medicine that is going to save the entire planet and everyone on it.

And that seems to be the thing in this forum....if youre not 100% for weed then you must be 100% in favour of big pharma....

Actually I just stated my opinion and you decided to call me a whack job.... So maybe you need to quit thinking what you hear on tv is true....

 

[medcann]

Your story is just another one like every other on here. Mine included. You are not telling me anything i have not already lived myself.

All i have said is that nobody has died as a result of being denied weed as medicine. If i am wrong then name those people and their ailments...

As for my family doc...he was not entirely sold on the idea that weed would be effective for me, but he considered signing my forms. The reason he refused in the end was not because of a directive from his college of physicians and surgeons that threatend punishment for signing such forms and not because weed is untested as a remedy for anything. He refused simply because if he signed my forms he would be obligated to sign others for legitimate patients and while that wouldnt be a bad thing he said that to get to those lefit patients he would have to sort through a waiting room full of kooks and crackpots just looking to get high.

I couldnt argue wih that. So i went to BC to pay a doctor i had never seen before sign my forms...

My point? Again...hysterical statements such as people are dying from being denied medical marijuana is the kind of thing that paints us all as kooks. Weed is not saving anybody's life. But it is doing a great deal tobease the pain of those who suffer from particular illnesses. Two veryvdifferent things...

So no...i am not wrong.

Very weak reason for your Doctor to refuse to sign....I won't sign because then I will have to do my job, and it might take some effort and thought. Very lame.
As if he doesn't have "kooks and crackpots" already, seeking oxys and percs....bullshit!
As if everyone that wants to get high will swarm to your Doctor's office to get a document...geeeshhhh

 

[Gquebed]

Actually I just stated my opinion and you decided to call me a whack job.... So maybe you need to quit thinking what you hear on tv is true....

Re read that. I didnt call you a whack job. I was speaking generally. I dont know you. So i couldnt have an opinion.

 

[Gquebed]

Very weak reason for your Doctor to refuse to sign....I won't sign because then I will have to do my job, and it might take some effort and thought. Very lame.
As if he doesn't have "kooks and crackpots" already, seeking oxys and percs....bullshit!
As if everyone that wants to get high will swarm to your Doctor's office to get a document...geeeshhhh

Actually. It is a very good excuse. Wasting time on those crack pots takes care away from legit patients. The doctor that did sign for me had an office full of exactly those people that my doctor didnt want to waste time on.... folks that just wanted a license to get high...

 

[eddymatin]

Facts?? That is MY point. There are no facts to support what you are saying or you would be pointing to them right now instead of saying things like anecdotal evidence and such. Clinical trials...evidence? Israelis have been studying this stuff for decades and they cant makes connections of the kind youre stating as fact.

You have none.

And as for those who are dying because they are taking more toxic meds instead...well... they are dying from stupidity really. Why take those more toxic meds if they are killing you? Pure stupidity.

And the classic go fuck yourself to end the argument? Because you have nothing better...

This is what offended me : "And as for those who are dying because they are taking more toxic meds instead...well... they are dying from stupidity really. Why take those more toxic meds if they are killing you? Pure stupidity. " I believe you are wrong on this. That is why I gave you my mother's example, which is common with many other patients. That "pure stupidity" gets me at the heart. No one should die from stupidity, no matter where or who you are from. I will agree to disagree with you, seems like you are a fighter.

 

[medcann]

Actually. It is a very good excuse. Wasting time on those crack pots takes care away from legit patients. The doctor that did sign for me had an office full of exactly those people that my doctor didnt want to waste time on.... folks that just wanted a license to get high...

people in glass houses...

 

[doingdishes]

Ummmmm....nobody is dying as a result of being denied marijuana. Let's keep the hysterics out of this debte. It only undermines our cause...

what about David Shea from Nova Scotia?

 

[cannadan]

Actually. It is a very good excuse. Wasting time on those crack pots takes care away from legit patients. The doctor that did sign for me had an office full of exactly those people that my doctor didnt want to waste time on.... folks that just wanted a license to get high...

Hey GQ.. seems you spout off only every so often....probably when you are hitting up the pain meds a little too hard...
and your brain is reeling....
I'm a legit patient and you called me a pity whore a while back...for trying to tell someone my some of my medical experiences...
of course if someone has more than 6 ailments they must truly be faking... Right GQ

 

[spider9]

my doctors told me in march 2001 I had two years till I was going to be in a chair they also admitted to me and my wife that if took their meds as prescribed I had 3 to 5 years to live that I would die of organ failure so if I was denied pot it would have killed me

 

[Gquebed]

what about David Shea from Nova Scotia?

What about him?

He is not dying from not smoking weed. He even says himself:

"Full Story
My name is David Shea. I am a person that uses medical cannabis to improve my quality of life" - http://www.mmadstories.ca/stories/davidshea.htm

There are very few life saving drugs out there, even from big pharma. Marijuana is not proven to be one of them. The vast majority of big pharma drugs can only make whatever ailment tolerable, bearable. That is all that weed does as this point and it does so in a more healthy way.

So to say that I'm dying from being denied access to weed, is pure stupidity. That does not help our cause. All it is doing is making life with whatever ailment a little easier. That includes epilepsy. It will not stop or cure any disease. Not yet. And that day is a long, long way off, if it ever does.

That is plain and simple fact.

 

[Gquebed]

my doctors told me in march 2001 I had two years till I was going to be in a chair they also admitted to me and my wife that if took their meds as prescribed I had 3 to 5 years to live that I would die of organ failure so if I was denied pot it would have killed me

Bullshit. Pot didn't stop organ failure. If it did you would be a pretty famous guy.

A friend of mine had brain cancer. He was told two months to live. They didn't treat him in any way. He went home to die. Didn't use drugs of any kind. That was 4 years ago. He is still alive, but brain damaged.

 

[Gquebed]

Hey GQ.. seems you spout off only every so often....probably when you are hitting up the pain meds a little too hard...
and your brain is reeling....
I'm a legit patient and you called me a pity whore a while back...for trying to tell someone my some of my medical experiences...
of course if someone has more than 6 ailments they must truly be faking... Right GQ

Instead of twisting what I said why don't you post that thread so others can see what we said and let them make their own judgments. But ya... pity whore fits, from what I recall. But why did I call you that?

Post the thread....

 

[spider9]

Bullshit. Pot didn't stop organ failure. If it did you would be a pretty famous guy.

A friend of mine had brain cancer. He was told two months to live. They didn't treat him in any way. He went home to die. Didn't use drugs of any kind. That was 4 years ago. He is still alive, but brain damaged.

I did not say pot stopped organ failure I said if I took their drugs the way they wanted me to I would develop organ failure as I refused their pharma drugs my organs are just fine. Gquebed you seem to have a problem that I do not think any drug can fix

 

[Gquebed]

I did not say pot stopped organ failure I said if I took their drugs the way they wanted me to I would develop organ failure as I refused their pharma drugs my organs are just fine. Gquebed you seem to have a problem that I do not think any drug can fix

You are 100% correct. I let other peoples stupidity goad me into futile arguments...

But the weed does help get me through those, as it does with my medical situation.

As for misreading about organ failure. I apologise. However, the weed is still not responsible for saving your life. You refuse the pharmacueticals that wouldve caused your death. Good. So you live.

What has weed got to do with that? If you can live without those pharm drugs then you can live without the weed. The weed just helps you get through the day easier.

Thanks for helping to make my point.

 

[doingdishes]

What about him?

He is not dying from not smoking weed. He even says himself:

"Full Story
My name is David Shea. I am a person that uses medical cannabis to improve my quality of life" - http://www.mmadstories.ca/stories/davidshea.htm

There are very few life saving drugs out there, even from big pharma. Marijuana is not proven to be one of them. The vast majority of big pharma drugs can only make whatever ailment tolerable, bearable. That is all that weed does as this point and it does so in a more healthy way.

So to say that I'm dying from being denied access to weed, is pure stupidity. That does not help our cause. All it is doing is making life with whatever ailment a little easier. That includes epilepsy. It will not stop or cure any disease. Not yet. And that day is a long, long way off, if it ever does.

That is plain and simple fact.

he's dead....you asked for one person who died by not receiving medicine. i gave you one
if MMJ does nothing really medically but help ease things, what's the use? you say it doesn't "cure" things but i know of several people who used it for cancer and it has reduced their tumours or they went away completely and are cancer free.....is that stupidity? YOU might want to fact check before spouting words like "stupidity"
what does RSO do for cancer?
ask Sam Mellace who has treated over 150 with stage 4 cancer and cured all but 4....was that fluke and the cancer went away?