Prime example of why real medical patients got screwed

leaffan

leaffan

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torontoke said:
Right but with fem seeds being so readily available most growers dont bother with reg/males and u certainly wouldnt bother to keep escalating your plant counts by cloning males?
The person you seem to be describing is more like a breeder than a dg or a patient. Breeders also dont flower 2/3 of their seedlings its like whatfg said u will pick out the winners and flower only those
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When do you determine if its a male or female?
 
torontoke

torontoke

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Me personally
I take a cutting really early and flower it under a small t5 if it has balls it and its mom get chucked.
I can usually tell within a month if its worth keeping or not but then i dont breed or try many new strains im not familiar with.
Again im not trying to argue but using your example you can see how some of these grows can multiply quickly and get out of hand.
If your "trying" a new strain then chances are you wouldnt flower 50 plus plants to determine if the strain is a keeper
 
leaffan

leaffan

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torontoke said:
Me personally
I take a cutting really early and flower it under a small t5 if it has balls it and its mom get chucked.
I can usually tell within a month if its worth keeping or not but then i dont breed or try many new strains im not familiar with.
Again im not trying to argue but using your example you can see how some of these grows can multiply quickly and get out of hand.
If your "trying" a new strain then chances are you wouldnt flower 50 plus plants to determine if the strain is a keeper
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Like I said...I want to try 5 strains....popping 10 of each is reasonable.
I want to see what each plant does in flower, and what the end product is like. It's the only way to do it in my mind, otherwise you're just guessing as to what a winner might be.
 
torontoke

torontoke

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Well leaf i guess im just not as curious as you about new strains lol
Im a simple guy id be happy growing even one legally but i think that bird has flown the coup for good.
I really hope im wrong though
 
Flash63

Flash63

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I get what your saying Leaf..being a seedaholic myself... half the fun of growing is trying new strains and if you use regular seeds your going to get males that are a complete waste of time...I really don't consider my clones as part of my plant count.
 
panhead

panhead

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torontoke said:
And i disagree about sog being the most efficient method. Its the quickest to get buds to sell but any grower with a legit garden and a decent setup with a veg area could get a perpetual grow going that would easily produce as much or more bud without insane plant counts.
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No way bro ! Even the best grower is never gonna be able to harvest even close to the weights pulled from a proper set up sog .

Using a 4ft x 8ft flood table i use 32 sq ft floor space light with 1,800 watts of lighting via three 600 hps , i pull roughly 6.25 lbs at harvest with zero veg sog , 8 weeks max from putting plants in the table till chop , most times its a day or three less than 8 weeks .

Thats 6.25 every 2 months x 6 harvests per 12 months totalling a yearly harvest weight of 38 to 40 lbs a year from a 4ft x 8ft grow area .

I highly doubt any soil grower or grower using more traditional methods requiring veg periods to come close to pulling down 40lbs a yr out of the same foot print using the same lighting/lumens .

I rarely see growers who veg hit the gram per watt mark let alone the 1.5 gram per watt i hit , im not super special either there are other sog guys here like my mentor Albfuct who crush me & hit over 2 grams per watt with sog zero veg .
 
panhead

panhead

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torontoke said:
Me personally
I take a cutting really early and flower it under a small t5 if it has balls it and its mom get chucked.
I can usually tell within a month if its worth keeping or not but then i dont breed or try many new strains im not familiar with.
Again im not trying to argue but using your example you can see how some of these grows can multiply quickly and get out of hand.
If your "trying" a new strain then chances are you wouldnt flower 50 plus plants to determine if the strain is a keeper
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When exploring NEW strains via seeds letting each plant grow to sexual maturity , ( 9 to 12 ) months in alot of cases , the extended veg time will show different phenotypes within the same strain from the same batch of seeds , when i grew soil i experienced multiple pheno's from the same strain several times , much depends on the stability of the strains development & the quality control of the og strain breeder .
 
torontoke

torontoke

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I understand and agree that sog can give amazing yields but with crazy illegal(usually) plant counts.
Mainlined supertopped plants vegged for 8 weeks in dwc would give sog a run for its money with 1/4 the plants.
 
panhead

panhead

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torontoke said:
I understand and agree that sog can give amazing yields but with crazy illegal(usually) plant counts.
Mainlined supertopped plants vegged for 8 weeks in dwc would give sog a run for its money with 1/4 the plants.
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A well versed grower who's very experienced with all the supercropping would still fall quite a bit short , atleast i did , the long veg time then creates a transitional period between veg period & bud period , when i veg i find that for every month i veg i need to add an additional week to harvest , with an 8 week veg its not uncommon to see 10 weeks to harvest from the day they go 12/12 .

Thats 3 harvests per year meaning the grower would need to harvest right around 13 lbs from the same 4 x 8 grow area per harvest .

The whole basis that makes sog so superior is the quick turn over & no transition from veg to bud .

I dont think i could pull it off , maybe somebody else will chime in who can but i know im not skilled enough .

I do 50 plants in my 32 sq ft table out of the 120 the wife & i are allowed , each plant yeilds 2 zips minimum as high as 4 zips max , normal average is about 2.5 per cola , if you have a low legal plant count than sog isnt a method best used to stay within the law , i like to be sure were well under our max plant count just incase cops find a new way of determining what constitutes a plant .
 
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chinakush

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panhead said:
A well versed grower who's very experienced with all the supercropping would still fall quite a bit short , atleast i did , the long veg time then creates a transitional period between veg period & bud period , when i veg i find that for every month i veg i need to add an additional week to harvest , with an 8 week veg its not uncommon to see 10 weeks to harvest from the day they go 12/12 .

Thats 3 harvests per year meaning the grower would need to harvest right around 13 lbs from the same 4 x 8 grow area per harvest .

The whole basis that makes sog so superior is the quick turn over & no transition from veg to bud .

I dont think i could pull it off , maybe somebody else will chime in who can but i know im not skilled enough .

I do 50 plants in my 32 sq ft table out of the 120 the wife & i are allowed , each plant yeilds 2 zips minimum as high as 4 zips max , normal average is about 2.5 per cola , if you have a low legal plant count than sog isnt a method best used to stay within the law , i like to be sure were well under our max plant count just incase cops find a new way of determining what constitutes a plant .
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U put 25 plants per 4x4 with no veg time and hit over 3 lbs dried weight in 8 weeks or less? WOW! That's amazing , what kind of medium u running?
 
nsbudca

nsbudca

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R.Raider said:
Those are the reasons the government wants you to think. The real reason being that their's waaaay more money in it for them by going MMPR but obviously they're not going to say that.
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If it wasn't being done then they would have nothing to point to in the first place
 
GrowRock

GrowRock

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Leaf I see your point about trying new strains and going over your plant count. Myself I know I never want to run out of meds. So when trying something new I still need to keep what strain works for me going incase the new strain does not have the desired relief. Thus this could cause me to be over my plant count unintentionlly.

As for the limit it should have been on WATTS not plant count. Anyone who knows basics about growing knows watts means more buds!!!


Peace
 
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