ALIEN TECH

[Doer]

Well ty, here is where you went worng in your logic. Science is about rigor of Method and repeatable proof.

What you have here is the usual leap of faith, i,e. bald conjecfure.
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I know there are other intelligent civilizations out there and have been for a very long time- I know, because the same science that allows me to understand the rest of my world makes this conclusion irrefutable- and I'm in plenty good company.
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Bullshit. The same math there say there are these civilization, is the same math that says there are NOT.

Statistics and chance work both ways. You cannot rule out that we are ABSOLUTELY ALONE. You can't count on that however.

NO data either way.

We don't even really know what we are looking at "out there" The dark matter cloud may be projecting something from another dimension as far as we know.

There could a Crystal Sphere al la David Brin's book that just makes it look the way it is, and we cannot get out of here, no matter what. We just don't know what we are looking at. It could be all a reflection of the Heisenberg principle or Lenard Suskin's Holographic Universe. (read it) We just don't know, but the math works, in many ways to match what we don't see yet.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

I found this. BAFFLING BATTERIES OF BABYLON


In 1938, Dr. Wilhelm Konig, an Austrian archaeologist rummaging through the basement of the museum made a find that was to drastically alter all concepts of ancient science. A 6-inch-high pot of bright yellow clay dating back two millennia contained a cylinder of sheet-copper 5 inches by 1.5 inches. The edge of the copper cylinder was soldered with a 60-40 lead-tin alloy comparable to today's best solder.



The bottom of the cylinder was capped with a crimped-in copper disk and sealed with bitumen or asphalt. Another insulating layer of asphalt sealed the top and also held in place an iron rod suspended into the center of the copper cylinder. The rod showed evidence of having been corroded with acid. With a background in mechanics, Dr. Konig recognized this configuration was not a chance arrangement, but that the clay pot was nothing less than an ancient electric battery.

The ancient battery in the Baghdad Museum as well as those others which were unearthed in Iraq all date from theParthian Persian occupation between 248 B.C. and A.D. 226. However, Konig found copper vases plated with silver in the Baghdad Museum excavated from Sumerian remains in southern Iraq dating back to at least 2500 B.C.



When the vases were lightly tapped a blue patina or film separated from the surfaces, characteristic of silver electroplated to copper. It would appear then that the Persians inherited their batteries from the earliest known civilization in the Middle East.

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THE STRANGE ELECTRON TUBES FROM DENDERA


In different locations within the Late Ptolemaic Temple of Hathor at Dendera in Egypt are curious wall engravings which Egyptologists cannot explain in traditional religio-mythic terms, but about which electrical engineers are finding very modern interpretations.

In one chamber, No. 17, the topmost panel, depicts Egyptian priests operating what look like oblong tubes, performing various specific tasks. Each tube has a serpent extending its full length inside. Swedish engineer Henry Kjellson, in his book Forvunen Teknik (Disappeared Technology), noted that in the hieroglyphs these serpents are translated asseref,

which means to glow, and believes it refers to some form of electrical current.



In the scene, to the extreme right appears a box on top where sits an image of the Egyptian god Atum-Ra, which identifies the box as the energy source. Attached to the box is a braided cable which electromagnetics engineer Alfred D. Bielekidentified as virtually an exact copy of engineering illustrations used today for representing a bundle of conducting electrical wires.



The cable runs from the box the full length of the floor of the picture, and terminates at both the ends and at the bases of the tube objects. These objects each rest on a pillar called a djed, which Bielek identified as a high-voltage insulator.



The tube objects look very much like TV picture tubes, an impression which is not far from wrong, for electronics technician N. Zecharius has identified the objects as Crookes or electron tubes, the forerunner of the modern television tube.

Though the upper chamber scenes have been damaged by vandals from a later age, other pictures found inside the crypt below the Holy of Holies are almost perfectly preserved, and their portrayal deepens the mystery of the strange electron tubes even further. Here, not only are the tubes shown in full operation, but something else has been added which may suggest the ultimate purpose for the tubes themselves.



In several instances, both men and women are shown sitting underneath the tubes, hands held out and cupped, which meant they were in a receptive mode.



What kind of radiation treatment was being performed here?

 

[ttystikk]

Well ty, here is where you went worng in your logic. Science is about rigor of Method and repeatable proof.

What you have here is the usual leap of faith, i,e. bald conjecfure.
---------------
I know there are other intelligent civilizations out there and have been for a very long time- I know, because the same science that allows me to understand the rest of my world makes this conclusion irrefutable- and I'm in plenty good company.
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Bullshit. The same math there say there are these civilization, is the same math that says there are NOT.

Statistics and chance work both ways. You cannot rule out that we are ABSOLUTELY ALONE. You can't count on that however.

NO data either way.

We don't even really know what we are looking at "out there" The dark matter cloud may be projecting something from another dimension as far as we know.

There could a Crystal Sphere al la David Brin's book that just makes it look the way it is, and we cannot get out of here, no matter what. We just don't know what we are looking at. It could be all a reflection of the Heisenberg principle or Lenard Suskin's Holographic Universe. (read it) We just don't know, but the math works, in many ways to match what we don't see yet.

We knew the world was round a long time before we actually managed the trip.

Science is about taking what we know and extrapolating from there.

You'd make a lousy scientist. A decent lab rat, but a lousy investigator into how things actually might be, based upon the available evidence. Your approach is all wrong for it.

I'm not here to argue with you, just to disagree- respectfully- and move on.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

http://www.livescience.com/13377-extremophiles-world-weirdest-life.html

 

[ttystikk]

I found this. BAFFLING BATTERIES OF BABYLON


In 1938, Dr. Wilhelm Konig, an Austrian archaeologist rummaging through the basement of the museum made a find that was to drastically alter all concepts of ancient science. A 6-inch-high pot of bright yellow clay dating back two millennia contained a cylinder of sheet-copper 5 inches by 1.5 inches. The edge of the copper cylinder was soldered with a 60-40 lead-tin alloy comparable to today's best solder.



The bottom of the cylinder was capped with a crimped-in copper disk and sealed with bitumen or asphalt. Another insulating layer of asphalt sealed the top and also held in place an iron rod suspended into the center of the copper cylinder. The rod showed evidence of having been corroded with acid. With a background in mechanics, Dr. Konig recognized this configuration was not a chance arrangement, but that the clay pot was nothing less than an ancient electric battery.

The ancient battery in the Baghdad Museum as well as those others which were unearthed in Iraq all date from theParthian Persian occupation between 248 B.C. and A.D. 226. However, Konig found copper vases plated with silver in the Baghdad Museum excavated from Sumerian remains in southern Iraq dating back to at least 2500 B.C.



When the vases were lightly tapped a blue patina or film separated from the surfaces, characteristic of silver electroplated to copper. It would appear then that the Persians inherited their batteries from the earliest known civilization in the Middle East.

Return to Batteries and Electric Devices








THE STRANGE ELECTRON TUBES FROM DENDERA


In different locations within the Late Ptolemaic Temple of Hathor at Dendera in Egypt are curious wall engravings which Egyptologists cannot explain in traditional religio-mythic terms, but about which electrical engineers are finding very modern interpretations.

In one chamber, No. 17, the topmost panel, depicts Egyptian priests operating what look like oblong tubes, performing various specific tasks. Each tube has a serpent extending its full length inside. Swedish engineer Henry Kjellson, in his book Forvunen Teknik (Disappeared Technology), noted that in the hieroglyphs these serpents are translated asseref,

which means to glow, and believes it refers to some form of electrical current.



In the scene, to the extreme right appears a box on top where sits an image of the Egyptian god Atum-Ra, which identifies the box as the energy source. Attached to the box is a braided cable which electromagnetics engineer Alfred D. Bielekidentified as virtually an exact copy of engineering illustrations used today for representing a bundle of conducting electrical wires.



The cable runs from the box the full length of the floor of the picture, and terminates at both the ends and at the bases of the tube objects. These objects each rest on a pillar called a djed, which Bielek identified as a high-voltage insulator.



The tube objects look very much like TV picture tubes, an impression which is not far from wrong, for electronics technician N. Zecharius has identified the objects as Crookes or electron tubes, the forerunner of the modern television tube.

Though the upper chamber scenes have been damaged by vandals from a later age, other pictures found inside the crypt below the Holy of Holies are almost perfectly preserved, and their portrayal deepens the mystery of the strange electron tubes even further. Here, not only are the tubes shown in full operation, but something else has been added which may suggest the ultimate purpose for the tubes themselves.



In several instances, both men and women are shown sitting underneath the tubes, hands held out and cupped, which meant they were in a receptive mode.



What kind of radiation treatment was being performed here?

I like the astrolabe complete with gears and clockwork archaeologists found aboard the wreck of a Greek vessel- from almost two thousand years ago.

 

[Doer]

I found this. BAFFLING BATTERIES OF BABYLON


In 1938, Dr. Wilhelm Konig, an Austrian archaeologist rummaging through the basement of the museum made a find that was to drastically alter all concepts of ancient science. A 6-inch-high pot of bright yellow clay dating back two millennia contained a cylinder of sheet-copper 5 inches by 1.5 inches. The edge of the copper cylinder was soldered with a 60-40 lead-tin alloy comparable to today's best solder.



The bottom of the cylinder was capped with a crimped-in copper disk and sealed with bitumen or asphalt. Another insulating layer of asphalt sealed the top and also held in place an iron rod suspended into the center of the copper cylinder. The rod showed evidence of having been corroded with acid. With a background in mechanics, Dr. Konig recognized this configuration was not a chance arrangement, but that the clay pot was nothing less than an ancient electric battery.

The ancient battery in the Baghdad Museum as well as those others which were unearthed in Iraq all date from theParthian Persian occupation between 248 B.C. and A.D. 226. However, Konig found copper vases plated with silver in the Baghdad Museum excavated from Sumerian remains in southern Iraq dating back to at least 2500 B.C.



When the vases were lightly tapped a blue patina or film separated from the surfaces, characteristic of silver electroplated to copper. It would appear then that the Persians inherited their batteries from the earliest known civilization in the Middle East.

Return to Batteries and Electric Devices








THE STRANGE ELECTRON TUBES FROM DENDERA


In different locations within the Late Ptolemaic Temple of Hathor at Dendera in Egypt are curious wall engravings which Egyptologists cannot explain in traditional religio-mythic terms, but about which electrical engineers are finding very modern interpretations.

In one chamber, No. 17, the topmost panel, depicts Egyptian priests operating what look like oblong tubes, performing various specific tasks. Each tube has a serpent extending its full length inside. Swedish engineer Henry Kjellson, in his book Forvunen Teknik (Disappeared Technology), noted that in the hieroglyphs these serpents are translated asseref,

which means to glow, and believes it refers to some form of electrical current.



In the scene, to the extreme right appears a box on top where sits an image of the Egyptian god Atum-Ra, which identifies the box as the energy source. Attached to the box is a braided cable which electromagnetics engineer Alfred D. Bielekidentified as virtually an exact copy of engineering illustrations used today for representing a bundle of conducting electrical wires.



The cable runs from the box the full length of the floor of the picture, and terminates at both the ends and at the bases of the tube objects. These objects each rest on a pillar called a djed, which Bielek identified as a high-voltage insulator.



The tube objects look very much like TV picture tubes, an impression which is not far from wrong, for electronics technician N. Zecharius has identified the objects as Crookes or electron tubes, the forerunner of the modern television tube.

Though the upper chamber scenes have been damaged by vandals from a later age, other pictures found inside the crypt below the Holy of Holies are almost perfectly preserved, and their portrayal deepens the mystery of the strange electron tubes even further. Here, not only are the tubes shown in full operation, but something else has been added which may suggest the ultimate purpose for the tubes themselves.



In several instances, both men and women are shown sitting underneath the tubes, hands held out and cupped, which meant they were in a receptive mode.



What kind of radiation treatment was being performed here?

I know this is old news. They used this in Egypt for electroplating gold.

 

[Doer]

We knew the world was round a long time before we actually managed the trip.

Science is about taking what we know and extrapolating from there.

You'd make a lousy scientist. A decent lab rat, but a lousy investigator into how things actually might be, based upon the available evidence. Your approach is all wrong for it.

I'm not here to argue with you, just to disagree- respectfully- and move on.

Just to insult someone if you don't like their responses you mean. What is respectful about that post?

Are you really so passive agressive you can't even see yourself? The true double-think?

You are talking like nothing. The science of aliens is non-existent.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

Does everyone like the Youtube videos? I'm going through my bookmarks sorry if I double post some. I've been trying to keep the thread interesting with real nasa verified footage or actual accounts. Its cool hearing everyone's responses. We can do one thing doer can't do and that thing is have an open mind. To be honest doer I don't think you have the proper people skills to work with any type of scientific community. Every time somebody posts you respond in a negative way. Why would anyone want to contribute to a thread by posting videos or telling a story only to get ridiculed in the process. We all know how you feel and thank you for your opinion but I don't think we need to keep hearing it repeatedly.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

 

[Dr.Pecker]

 

[Dr.Pecker]

 

[Dr.Pecker]

 

[Doer]

Does everyone like the Youtube videos? I'm going through my bookmarks sorry if I double post some. I've been trying to keep the thread interesting with real nasa verified footage or actual accounts. Its cool hearing everyone's responses. We can do one thing doer can't do and that thing is have an open mind. To be honest doer I don't think you have the proper people skills to work with any type of scientific community. Every time somebody posts you respond in a negative way. Why would anyone want to contribute to a thread by posting videos or telling a story only to get ridiculed in the process. We all know how you feel and thank you for your opinion but I don't think we need to keep hearing it repeatedly.

And since I do work in the scientific community of Computer Science, I am one of the only actual scientific types here. I manage software developers all over the world, in their different cultures and skills. And I have been at the same Company for 30 years. One of the big 3, OK?

This is how manage the very idiotic, such as yourself.

So, this makes you what? Foolish? Ridiculous? Silly? Science is all ruthlessness and all negative testing. It is cut throat personal. Your career is on the line all the time. I thrive in the scientific community. You have no idea what that even means. It is not goo-goo, or feely at all.

This is the science section and you can take it Toke and Talk. I will let you natter away.

But, you will not silence me here. And I have no opinion at all on the goof sport of Aliens or the goof sport of youtube.

But, this is the science section, not for your personal daydreams.

 

[abe supercro]

 

[ttystikk]

Another nattering nabob of negativity heard from. Again.

We heard you the first time, Doer. And the second, ad nauseam. Repetition doesn't make you right.

I stand on my earlier assessment of your approach.

It is not an insult, by the way. The ruthlessness of which you speak has its place- at the end of the speculative process, once reasonable avenues of investigation have been mapped out. You're jumping the gun.

Just because there's a lot of noise in the channel doesn't mean there isn't meaningful data- nevermind logical conclusions- to consider.

So consider them with us.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

And since I do work in the scientific community of Computer Science, I am one of the only actual scientific types here. I manage software developers all over the world, in their different cultures and skills. And I have been at the same Company for 30 years. One of the big 3, OK?

This is how manage the very idiotic, such as yourself.

So, this makes you what? Foolish? Ridiculous? Silly? Science is all ruthlessness and all negative testing. It is cut throat personal. Your career is on the line all the time. I thrive in the scientific community. You have no idea what that even means. It is not goo-goo, or feely at all.

This is the science section and you can take it Toke and Talk. I will let you natter away.

But, you will not silence me here. And I have no opinion at all on the goof sport of Aliens or the goof sport of youtube.

But, this is the science section, not for your personal daydreams.

Now I'm idiotic. I suggest you get over it. I'm not moving the thread to toke and talk nor will I move it to the religion section. If you don't like it don't post in it.
Definition of INSANITY
1
: a severely disordered state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder (as paranoid schizophrenia)
2
: unsoundness of mind or lack of the ability to understand that prevents one from having the mental capacity required by law to enter into a particular relationship, status, or transaction or that releases one from criminal or civil responsibility
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

 

[Dr.Pecker]

If you think your posts will change anyones mind especially a person that has seen something for themselves then you clearly fit the bill of being insane.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

This is one of my favorites taken from the international space station

 

[whitebb2727]

I just watched the thing on history about Einsteins thought experiments.

 

[Dr.Pecker]