MuckyDucky
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There ya go! I stuffed some green weed in my Silver Surfer vape one time and smoked it dry. I'll never do that again. My taste buds were numb for the rest of the day!
Curing, a myth perpetuated by bad growers
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Ninjabowler
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whats with everyone trying to reinvent the wheel? Cant wait till co2 gets tossed on the chopping block in one of these threads.There ya go! I stuffed some green weed in my Silver Surfer vape one time and smoked it dry. I'll never do that again. My taste buds were numb for the rest of the day!
ttystikk
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An interesting analysis that does not square with the facts on the ground; dispensaries with less than excellent quality product don't last long in Boulder County, Colorado- by many people's reckoning, one of the most competitive cannabis markets anywhere in the world, and certainly one of the most prolific.
Yes, a bad dispensary can survive, but they don't thrive, get bigger, add additional operations and- important here- provide good jobs, support the local economy AND pay more than their fair share in taxes.
Ultimately however, the goals of a home grower and the commercial producer with aspirations of being the best in their market are more similar than might first appear; both must focus on product quality and let nothing compromise that goal.
Is it any surprise that great production numbers, healthy plants and high quality yields go hand in hand? How else does it happen? If you have the environment you want, there is no need to trade quality for volume. I'm here to say THAT notion is as much of a myth as the six month cure.
And I can prove it.
Silky Shagsalot
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this sounds about right to me. i just got back from visiting my brother in the bay area, calif. he has a card, and has stuff delivered. i got some, "sugar kush." it looked good, smelled good, felt just right. i could tell from the first hit, it wasn't cured long at all. i was waiting for that kush flavor that i love, it wasn't there. what was there was a harsh/burning smoke that burned all the way down. so a calif. registered dispensary sells bunk that has a name, lol. my brother told me he asked the delivery person if they buy weed. the guy said, "all you can get!" so they're buying whatever from whomever and selling it??? i cure my stuff for a good month. it's as smooth as silk (most of the time.) my neighbor cures for a total 2 weeks tops, and i can tell immediately. so op, i don't care if your resume/c.v. is a mile long. sounds to me like ur spewing the company line. i don't care what the science says, my lungs know the difference...
MuckyDucky
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Cardboard and colored markers? Dam!!! I'm impressed!
Sativied
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Not making money indeed, and risk being raided by the cops. At least, that's the case with suppliers of dutch coffeeshops, which rarely involves cured mj. And that... is also why many of them end yellow and give only water the last few weeks...
Supposedly harsh sugars/starches are converted to softer sugars during curing or broken down or used (because metabolism processes that continue to go on for a while).
Supposedly the breaking down of sugars, chlorophyll and whatever gets lost during the process leaves relatively more cannabinoids in the product hence relatively increases potency.
Supposedly certain terpenes go through a process that actually changes their aromatic characteristic, which is why you can have a certain taste in cured that wasn't detectable earlier.
I'm saying "supposedly" because I'm with st0w on this one, "I honesty don't know", it's all received and perceived wisdom which especially when it comes to growing cannabis isn't necessarily wise...
I think it's good to have a closer look at curing and discuss it (although at riu...) but I would have loved to see your initial post include tests you had performed as that would have been a more effective way to debunk a myth.
I don't sell any of my harvest and grow a lot more than I need, so I end up with jars of 'old' mj. I have for example cannalope haze now that is roughly 4 months old. Can't say it's "better" than like 1 or 2 months old, I think that it's partly a matter of taste. But, it's clearly different. (Even smoother). I do prefer fresh, but for me fresh is still after a good dry which for me includes a cure, i.e. sweating/burping the jars. It's essentially just slower drying, to keep the processes going on for longer, supposedly
I got this nearly 30 year old grow guide from a few well known pioneers, and while it doesn't actually speak of "curing", it does specifically mention that sinsemilla tastes best a few months after the harvest, which lines up with my experience. I know from the past dozen strains I've grown and dried and cured and all smoked after both weeks and months that it is optimal after about a month and after about 2-3 months I start preferring the fresh I've frozen or the new harvest.
Not curing at all seems a little too extreme to one end, and considering a two month cure as something that is necessary too far to the other. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle again.
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Midwest Weedist
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"joke flavor of the week" makes me want to buy it!
homebrew420
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Truth is you can store flowers in the open so long as rh can be kept at 55-60% rh around 65 or so degrees. Is storage the cure? And a cure with wrong rh and temp makes for less than ideal results. Herein lies the truth.
Look folk I want to make it perrrrfectly clear about me understanding the WHY people believe in curing. The fact that you cure for the sake of a perfectly homogenized product. Starched have been metabolized etc. This all happens within the first week, this is my "dried properly" statement I refer to. After this homogeneous moisture content is reached, say 12 days from harvest. That is the best it will be.
I have grown and harvested along with my co workers well over 250 harvests consisting mostly of 8k some 4k with 50-60 plants each. I feel the way we do this has given us much credibility in our field. this is only said because this is what we are told from our patients, most of which are cannaseurs. As we are farr from the cheapest dispensary in town
Control your environment. Bottom line.
Look folk I want to make it perrrrfectly clear about me understanding the WHY people believe in curing. The fact that you cure for the sake of a perfectly homogenized product. Starched have been metabolized etc. This all happens within the first week, this is my "dried properly" statement I refer to. After this homogeneous moisture content is reached, say 12 days from harvest. That is the best it will be.
I have grown and harvested along with my co workers well over 250 harvests consisting mostly of 8k some 4k with 50-60 plants each. I feel the way we do this has given us much credibility in our field. this is only said because this is what we are told from our patients, most of which are cannaseurs. As we are farr from the cheapest dispensary in town
Control your environment. Bottom line.
homebrew420
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I think it more about timing. I am making the claim anything older than a month is degrading.
genuity
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That could be true,but that's not what the title says..
I like to let my bud REST for a few weeks after chop.
MuckyDucky
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I guess it depends on your definition of "cure" and when does curing become storing?
genuity
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That's it..
Ace Yonder
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All you have stated are opinions. Look up the definition of "Fact" in a dictionary. I think this is where your problem stems from. Or did an Acknowledged Industry Leader in vocabulary tell you otherwise?
Ace Yonder
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The issue is that you have redefined the terms "Curing" and "Drying". If curing had no benefit, then quick drying would have no downsides, and you could just throw your bud in a dehydrator and dry it in a few hours. The fact is that when you are slow drying your cannabis in the way you describe you are also curing it. Curing is actually just drying very, very slowly. You are trying to get the RH to go from about 65-70% down to about 55-60% as slowly as possible, because it is between these humidity levels that the bacteria and other microorganisms inside the plant are most active, and will be metabolizing the chlorophyll and starch at the most optimum rate. If you have the luxury of a great area to slow dry your pot, over 12+ days, then you have already allowed much of the process to happen. For many people, this isn't possible. Lets say it is very dry, and when hung your weed would be crispy crumbly dry after 3-4 days. In this scenario, after drying for a couple days, you can jar it, and allow it to keep drying very slowly over the next several weeks to months. This will allow that process to continue, when otherwise it would end immediately when the RH hits about 55%. You are correct, that most of this process happens in the first few weeks, as it will decrease exponentially by percentage. So yes, you see more benefit from going from a 1 day dry to a 12 day dry than you would see from going from a 12 day dry to a 1 month dry. But you would still see the benefit. Eventually the bell curve starts going down and you lose potency due to degradation at a rate that makes further curing more harmful than beneficial. But the mere fact that you dry over a 12 day period rather than a 1 day quick dry means that on some level you understand the need for a cure. You just disagree on when the bell curve maxes out. Curing and Slow Drying are essentially synonymous, but curing is usually conflated with jarring and burping in people's heads. Jarring and burping is ONE way to cure weed, but curing refers to the process of internal metabolization, not to the method you go about achieving that metabolization.
skunkd0c
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some people like to over complicate things imo, trying to make out it takes some kind of botanical genius to grow weed, these people are feeding their own egoI totally agree @skunkd0c. It's like a bunch of puppies following around a big dog. The big dog isn't special or tough but in the little puppies eyes it is. It is just a matter of perception IMO.
(uncle ben) is a good example
some folk can't accept personal preference whatever the subject matter
this might be because when you accept personal preference, no one is better than anyone else, we are all equal to grow our weed how we like it individually
if some people want to cure their weed that's great, if others don't that's great too
only respect those that respect you not because of guru status
followers are well rehearsed in the weed world "pecking order" and might find it disrespectful to hear a relatively new grower disagree with one of the gurus
i accept this, after all its their right to be a follower
its just not something i would do myself, i am all for being polite and respectful to others but putting folk on pedestals i find cringe worthy
peace
JointOperation
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people obv just trying to cut corners .. the greed has gotten the best of you.. soon enough your customers will realize the difference.. and bounce..
curing.. and a long slow dry.. prove to be the best ways to PREPARE weed..
if you dont understand that chlorophyll tastes like shit wen smoked.. and it translates into your bud..and makes that taste like shit..
it can make a beautiful looking and smellign bud.. taste like GARBAGe..
but do what you do guys lol.. no1 is going to change anyone who knows what there doings way.. so keep the stupid threads going lol..
just like flushing doesnt do anything.... well. talk to some breeders who been smoking for 40 years.. and ask there opinion on it.. thats were most of my techniques come from.. people who have the best weed around.. usually know what they are doing..
but.. u can dry and cure in the same room. u dont need to jar shit.. u could cure in a room if you wanted.. just need to controll environment to a T
curing.. and a long slow dry.. prove to be the best ways to PREPARE weed..
if you dont understand that chlorophyll tastes like shit wen smoked.. and it translates into your bud..and makes that taste like shit..
it can make a beautiful looking and smellign bud.. taste like GARBAGe..
but do what you do guys lol.. no1 is going to change anyone who knows what there doings way.. so keep the stupid threads going lol..
just like flushing doesnt do anything.... well. talk to some breeders who been smoking for 40 years.. and ask there opinion on it.. thats were most of my techniques come from.. people who have the best weed around.. usually know what they are doing..
but.. u can dry and cure in the same room. u dont need to jar shit.. u could cure in a room if you wanted.. just need to controll environment to a T
homebrew420
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I don't jar my flowers any longer than it takes to make them vanish.
A cure has always meant a month or more some claim. No?. I just cant agree on any level
I should have been more specific on the title and put the explanation of what I really meant to say. The title draws you in. The thread moves along or it doesnt.
So pose this, if the herb in question was of high quality, clean etc. would you as a grower, smoker, and fellow human beings, and dicks, use the term "cure" if stored a week in a jar?
To you, mostly, I must have a different definition.
and too be clear I live in CO an extremely arid state.
This issue that bothered be with curing idea that was already, I think, agreed upon. That being, a cure is not going to make mediocre flowers into anything more than mediocre flowers. It seems to me in many experiences, many people way over think the entire process.
Have a good day gents
peace
A cure has always meant a month or more some claim. No?. I just cant agree on any level
I should have been more specific on the title and put the explanation of what I really meant to say. The title draws you in. The thread moves along or it doesnt.
So pose this, if the herb in question was of high quality, clean etc. would you as a grower, smoker, and fellow human beings, and dicks, use the term "cure" if stored a week in a jar?
To you, mostly, I must have a different definition.
and too be clear I live in CO an extremely arid state.
This issue that bothered be with curing idea that was already, I think, agreed upon. That being, a cure is not going to make mediocre flowers into anything more than mediocre flowers. It seems to me in many experiences, many people way over think the entire process.
Have a good day gents
peace