LED vs. HID Double Ended Bulb

[foreverflyhi]

Not doubting you on this because honestly I don't know, but what is the science behind your claim?

Growers here in the led community are currently documenting it. My quality from led is by far superior over my hid herb. I like you am a organic gardener, organics plus led equals "why the fuck havent i conververted a long time ago?"

 

[SupraSPL]

Not doubting you on this because honestly I don't know, but what is the science behind your claim?

I agree, I have run the same cuttings many times under HPS and LED. When run under LED I get more color, more flavor and subjectively more potency. Greengenes is having a test done to check into the difference in cannabinoids between blue dream nugs under HPS and red/white/blue LED.

Buddha Tahoe OG under 600W HPS:


Same cutting under red/white/blue LED


Same cutting under 3000K LED

assuming initial cost is not a factor, but instead total overall cost for running 1 calendar is compared

High quality LED will very significantly outperform the HPS and you may save a large amount on cooling. Of course not all LED lamps are created equal. I would recommend the Apache, Area 51 or Onyx Bloom. They are all about 30% efficient. If you build your own lamp and up front cost is no issue, you could go as high as 56% efficient.

 

[captainmorgan]

Not doubting you on this because honestly I don't know, but what is the science behind your claim?

Greengenes that did the side by side I linked is suppose to be getting lab results for that grow to compare,but he says the LED bud is much more aromatic and tastes better. My evidence is anecdotal but I really believe the full spectrum is responsible. I've given a few different cuts to several friends that grow in soil like me but use HPS, they tell me mine is more flavorful and the high is longer lasting. One friend has shared bud of the same strain of his and mine and his friends can tell which is mine,he plans to switch over to LED because of that. My plants always seem to be more sticky,fragrant and stronger than the same cuts under HPS.

 

[Red1966]

Greengenes that did the side by side I linked is suppose to be getting lab results for that grow to compare,but he says the LED bud is much more aromatic and tastes better. My evidence is anecdotal but I really believe the full spectrum is responsible. I've given a few different cuts to several friends that grow in soil like me but use HPS, they tell me mine is more flavorful and the high is longer lasting. One friend has shared bud of the same strain of his and mine and his friends can tell which is mine,he plans to switch over to LED because of that. My plants always seem to be more sticky,fragrant and stronger than the same cuts under HPS.

I have to repeat that you will not recoup the added initial costs of LED in one year. Or even three. I figured out I could save `$35 a month on electrical bills by buying $2500 worth of LED to replace 1200w HID. This assumes the HID is running at 1200w at all times. It will take many years to reach the break even point. Everybody says "my dope tastes better than yours". Subjective opinions. As yet, I've seen no laboratory results proving potency or taste. Greengenes said he would get lab testing done. Its been a month or more since he harvested, but hasn't posted his lab results to my knowledge.

 

[captainmorgan]

I have to repeat that you will not recoup the added initial costs of LED in one year. Or even three. I figured out I could save `$35 a month on electrical bills by buying $2500 worth of LED to replace 1200w HID. This assumes the HID is running at 1200w at all times. It will take many years to reach the break even point. Everybody says "my dope tastes better than yours". Subjective opinions. As yet, I've seen no laboratory results proving potency or taste. Greengenes said he would get lab testing done. Its been a month or more since he harvested, but hasn't posted his lab results to my knowledge.

Red,why do you continue to post your negative opinions of LED here in the LED section when apparently you don't even own one. It also appears you think we are all delusional or lier's when we talk about the quality of the plants we grow with LED. There are more reasons to run LED than just the amount of electricity it uses but I don't think you care about any of that,you just like to troll.

 

[foreverflyhi]

Red,why do you continue to post your negative opinions of LED here in the LED section when apparently you don't even own one. It also appears you think we are all delusional or lier's when we talk about the quality of the plants we grow with LED. There are more reasons to run LED than just the amount of electricity it uses but I don't think you care about any of that,you just like to troll.

Agree red is a known troll lol

Like you said captian, theres much more too led then what red keeps mentioning.

Plus he keeps mentioning greengenes as if GG is the only person with success in the led world ( no offense GG). What about other growers using diy cobs? Not nearly as expensive as apache or Area 51, and with better results with more efficiency.

 

[shnkrmn]

Cobbers (can I call them that) don't seem to be documenting their results as widely as growers using retail units. Also, diy, when it comes to electricity makes folks pretty wary plus not everyone wants a new hobby being an expert in heatsinks, bin numbers, thermal pastes and whatnot. Have retail cob grow lights hit the market yet?

 

[medicinehuman]

"To each his own"

 

[stardustsailor]

There's plenty of literature out there ,that suggests and explain in detail ,
every reason why led herb is by far of superior quality than the crappy HID herb ....

Once you try led herb ,there's no 'going back " ,to the tasteless ,grassy ,weak HID buds ...

Some can bash as much as they like ,the LEDS...
Afterall ,there has to be at least one reason for doing so ...
Act of a loser,indeed ...

(When you do not mind your own business ,
show no facts about what you talkin' about and just keep on
shitting from your mouth....)


I'm really starting to believe that there has to be a 'mysterious' reason ,
that makes some people ,so fiercely , defend of / stand up for a slowly but steadily dying tech .....
When at the same time, all latest industry & science researches do agree about and point out the superiority of LEDS in horticulture ,versus the HID lights ....

Maybe is the tubular shape of the HID bulbs ...
Maybe Sigmund Freud was right ..
Maybe there's a 'symbolism' behind the whole thing ....

Ah,what the heck ...
It's not my business ,afterall ...
Shove 'em ,wherever you like ....

Just not here,please .

Cheers.

 

[Greengenes707]

I have already been apart if a side by side that the led tested 3% higher in chemical compounds...this was same strain grown at the same time so very true sense of side by side.
And now as others have mentioned I am doing/did it again, but I have been lagging on getting the samples this round in to test. But will try to do it before it's too late. As far as subjective measures the led side is noticeable more tasteful, smelling, longer high. Also completely more colorful...solid purples coming through on dream, while not a bit of anything but yellow fade on the hps side. It's all dictum enter in my thread.

 

[Greengenes707]

You will not make up the difference in cost in 1 year but 2-3 is very doable.
So depends on what your reason for going led would be. I it's for better quality while over time saving money then yes LEDs can compete. If you are trying to blowup a spot for a unknown amount of time...turn and burn it...then hps it and just pay the monthly dues.

 

[Red1966]

Red,why do you continue to post your negative opinions of LED here in the LED section when apparently you don't even own one. It also appears you think we are all delusional or lier's when we talk about the quality of the plants we grow with LED. There are more reasons to run LED than just the amount of electricity it uses but I don't think you care about any of that,you just like to troll.

You ignore the problems with LEDs at your own peril. But to try to deny that knowledge to those seeking information is just plain wrong. Why do you continue to post your positive opinions of LED here in the LED section when apparently you look over its faults? The "more reasons" you claim haven't been laboratory tested. Some have talked of getting laboratory tests, but none have, or if they have, they haven't posted them. Why is that? This is the "LED and OTHER Lighting" section. Frankly, some of you are delusional. "200w of LED will out produce 1000w of HID" and "You'll save enough on the first cycle to pay for the lights"and "All you need is red and blue, so why waste power creating the other spectra" and "The full spectrum LEDs get better results".

 

[Red1966]

There's plenty of literature out there ,that suggests and explain in detail ,
every reason why led herb is by far of superior quality than the crappy HID herb ....

Once you try led herb ,there's no 'going back " ,to the tasteless ,grassy ,weak HID buds ...

Some can bash as much as they like ,the LEDS...
Afterall ,there has to be at least one reason for doing so ...
Act of a loser,indeed ...

(When you do not mind your own business ,
show no facts about what you talkin' about and just keep on
shitting from your mouth....)


I'm really starting to believe that there has to be a 'mysterious' reason ,
that makes some people ,so fiercely , defend of / stand up for a slowly but steadily dying tech .....
When at the same time, all latest industry & science researches do agree about and point out the superiority of LEDS in horticulture ,versus the HID lights ....

Maybe is the tubular shape of the HID bulbs ...
Maybe Sigmund Freud was right ..
Maybe there's a 'symbolism' behind the whole thing ....

Ah,what the heck ...
It's not my business ,afterall ...
Shove 'em ,wherever you like ....

Just not here,please .

Cheers.

Nothing you claim has been scientifically proven. Not even a preponderance of evidence. Why are you so intolerant of those who haven't gone all ga-ga over a freaking light?

I'm really starting to believe that there has to be a 'mysterious' reason ,
that makes some people ,so fiercely , defend of / stand up for a new, unproven tech .....


"There's plenty of literature out there ,that suggests and explain in detail ,
every reason why led herb is by far of superior quality than the crappy HID herb ...."
Yeah? Where? All I see is fanboys saying "my dope is better'n yours"

"Once you try led herb ,there's no 'going back " ,to the tasteless ,grassy ,weak HID buds ..."
Plenty of people do.


"Act of a loser,indeed ..."

Really?

"(When you do not mind your own business ,
show no facts about what you talkin' about and just keep on
shitting from your mouth....)"

Since when do YOU get to decide who may post? And the "shitting from your mouth" comment is uncalled for. You can't point out anything I said was false, so you just get vulgar and personally attack those of a differing view.

 

[skunkd0c]

There's plenty of literature out there ,that suggests and explain in detail ,
every reason why led herb is by far of superior quality than the crappy HID herb ....

Once you try led herb ,there's no 'going back " ,to the tasteless ,grassy ,weak HID buds ...

i have noticed most HID growers are considerably less pretentious than LED growers
not sure why this is, perhaps it is just a requirement when you join an elite society

i shall not let this put me off though i will test this led thing for myself at some point
i would hope the LED is better than the HID bud for all the extra cost
and over 30 years of technology separating current leds from hid
even if i could only notice a slight difference in bud quality i will convince myself its much better so i do not feel bad
about spending £500 on a light

reminds me the guys who use reptile bulbs on their plants also say their bud is far superior
anyway when i get my LED my bud will be the best bud in the multiverse
i might even start typing in a purple font or something just so folk can see how unique and great i am

 

[captainmorgan]

You ignore the problems with LEDs at your own peril. But to try to deny that knowledge to those seeking information is just plain wrong. Why do you continue to post your positive opinions of LED here in the LED section when apparently you look over its faults? The "more reasons" you claim haven't been laboratory tested. Some have talked of getting laboratory tests, but none have, or if they have, they haven't posted them. Why is that? This is the "LED and OTHER Lighting" section. Frankly, some of you are delusional. "200w of LED will out produce 1000w of HID" and "You'll save enough on the first cycle to pay for the lights"and "All you need is red and blue, so why waste power creating the other spectra" and "The full spectrum LEDs get better results".

Are you mentally challenged, I'm beginning to think so. I always thought you were just a troll but now I think your just a little slow. Who ever said 200 watts of LED was equivalent to 1000 HPS,not me,it's more like 600. And what are all the draw backs of LED,the only problem with quality LED of the right spectrum is the price and that's steadily coming down. It takes more knowledge and research or a trusted recommendation to know what to buy in LED,any idiot can screw in a HID bulb. And it's obvious you don't know what your talking about,and I doubt you ever will.

 

[Squidbilly]

The problem with leds so far has been people's inconsistent results with them and high price tag. HPS has so far been more user friendly and more affordable. Yes leds produce less heat, but in my experience you still need almost the same ventilation in you grow space no matter what-you still need an adequate intake and exhaust, and I've never had a problem cooling a grow room with proper sized fans as long as the intake air coming in is below 75 degrees. It's been proven for a long time that mixed specturm light can produce superior resin production and a higher quality product. Adding blue or white also makes buds less dense. There is a trade off in my experience. You can easily pull over a pound with a single 600w hps bulb time and time again. Replacement bulbs are cheap and easy to replace. I say HID is still more user friendly, IMO. I LEDs are cool too, but I still prefer HID.

 

[Red1966]

All those claims have been made. Saying you didn't make them is immaterial.
"only problem with quality LED of the right spectrum is the price and that's steadily coming down." And what is the "right" spectrum? Every seller, buyer, and user has a different, contradictory opinion.-> "You don't want to waste energy producing unused spectra" and "You need full spectrum" The price is still too high, if its steadily coming down, wouldn't it make sense to wait for it to come down to a practical level? Not only will they be cheaper next year, they'll be better, too.

 

[Squidbilly]

I've also known more than one grower who has switched back to HPS after spending thousands on new LED pannels which has made me even more reluctant to consider them. If a diode or something else fails on the LEDs you have a much bigger problem than just having to replace a bulb or ballast. Those are my biggest concearns. There is enough research and anecdotal reports for you to make a descion based on your particular situation. Your only going to get opinions here

 

[skunkd0c]

any idiot can screw in a HID bulb.

now this is what i'm talking bout ^^ not quite pretentious enough though could do better i think

when you grew with hid before you switched to led did you consider yourself an idiot at all times
or just when screwing in bulbs ?

do you feel proud of your led in the same way someone might feel proud of their eyephone ?
do you feel that using an led requires substantial knowledge ?

if led use requires more knowledge than HID is this a good thing ?

 

[SupraSPL]

Anyone that tries flowering with chinese mystery LEDs is going to be disappointed. The vast majority of panels are in this category. They are 20% efficient and HPS is 36% efficient. So if you want to flower with LED you have to use LEDs that are 30% efficient or better. If you build you own you can get up to 56%. Those are the facts.

In my case I scrapped 2400W of HPS for 1200W of LED. That is a LOT less heat to manage and yields are higher than my best HPS results, so that means LED is outperforming the HPS by more than 2X. It also means that I can pack more light in that space than HPS can provide. That increase in yield helps pay for the up front cost, not just the electrical savings.

You ignore the problems with LEDs at your own peril

The bottom line is, if I went back to HPS it would be a major loss of production.