DIY E-Nail

budbro18

budbro18

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Yeah someone will have to message him at some point haha.

Ordered all my parts today so ill have my offical list up in a little.

P.S. Im never ordering from amazon. Shipping is always way too much and its annoying.

I made a full order of everything i wanted and went to check out and was paying as much for shipping as i was for parts.

Then went to ebay and boom everything i needed, within the US so no long shipping dates, and free shipping on all but 2 products and those 2 are from the same seller so its only the cost of 1 shipping thing.
 
budbro18

budbro18

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PID Controller: Auber 1/32 Universal Controller - $37.56

Solid State Relay: Auber 25A SSR - $15.00

Project Box (plastic): Ebay 6.25 x 3.75 x 2.4 - $10.00 (after shipping)

Power Input+switch: Ebay AC10A 250V - $6.40

6' Power Cord: Ebay Power Cord - $5.95 (any length available)

Mini XLR Female: Ebay Mini XLRf - $3.00

Mini XLR Male: Ebay Mini XLRm - $3.00

25' 16 awg wire: Ebay 16awg - $9.95

Misc. Connectors/heatshrink - ~$10

16mm Coil: China - $75 (PM me for coils)

So about $100 for the internals plus or minus a few bucks for some shipping i might have forgotten.

I can easily knock it down to about $75 or lower once i buy some of the parts from china. That power inlet/switch was $7 alone when they have em for less than a buck from china. Also the wire i bought is enough for about 10 boxes so that will go a long way.

I just didnt want to wait 1-3 weeks for my parts to slowly trickle in so i bought from ebay sellers within the US.

Gotta grab a soldering iron and some solder from harbor freight but thats not really included in the cost since most people have them and id just ask a friend to borrow one if i wasnt planning on making multiple.

Thats everything besides the nail but thats your choice. Theres a few good ones out there and i have yet to narrow down which one i am going to get.

Should have one built by next monday i hope if everything comes in by friday/saturday so be ready for the video.
 
budbro18

budbro18

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I feel it that was my problem for a while. Finally got an investor so ill be makin them on the regular hopefully! If i had the money id turn all the coils i got into nails for sale then just double up the purchase for next time.
 
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biblee

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THe hardest parts for me to source and make right were the 'hobby box' and coils. I have yet to see a plastic one that works well. I think my aluminum one from ebay was 25 and I had to make the final cuts.

Good work thus far budbro.

How long does it take you to assemble one unit?
 
budbro18

budbro18

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Yeah i want to go with an aluminum one but dont have money for a good enough dremel for it yet.

Havent made my first box yet but i cant imagine it takes long. Dialing in the PID will be the hardest/longest part but even that isnt too bad because my friend who got ahold of the coil people is making them too and since we have the same coil the PID should be the same.

Guessin the first one will take a little longer since im gonna be super exact and quadruple check everything before making cuts/solders. Gotta figure out just where everything goes since im using some different parts and sizes. But a day or 2 of tinkerin and ill have it done. Once i get it down to a clean design/plan i cant see it taking anymore than an hour to assemble one. And another hour dialing in/auto tuning the pid/coil.
 
budbro18

budbro18

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Hell yeah everything should be here by the weekend except possibly the controller/ssr from auber.

That link doesnt work though.
 
LiquidJunglist

LiquidJunglist

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I got a email from them.... Directly

The BBA-500 is no longer available. It has been replaced by the BBA-200 which has all the functions of the old unit.


The BBA-200 is only the PID module. This is a 1/16 DIN panel mountable device. It can be programmed for various sensor inputs, including Type K t/c. The module also operates on voltages from 85 to 250 VAC. There are 2 versions - 1 for mechanical relay and one for solid state relay output.


Pricing for both is $139 per unit.
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Ouch but it is a option for someone that is ballin. LOL
 
budbro18

budbro18

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Damn thats pricey! haha For real it seems like its made to autotune really well. For DIY kilns and shit like that probably.

I didnt like the 1/16 din either way haha. the double row display is nice but i dont think its too much difficulty to switch to the SET mode. From what ive read in the manual on aubers website.
 
LiquidJunglist

LiquidJunglist

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I'm the same, I'm sure when you get the SSR and PID we will get it close. I was reading on do me electrical forum talking about a math problem to figure out the PID settings for the coil based on the voltage, watts, how long and wide the coil is and the desired temp range. But don't quote me lol.
 
budbro18

budbro18

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Yup thats what the PID stands for Proportional, Integral, Derivative

From my understanding its like a wave on an oscilloscope. You want it to be nice and even after the start up point. The X amount of power put in every X amount of time should directly line up with the rate at which the heating element cools/heats. Too strong and the coil will overshoot its designated temp and prematurely ware itself out, too low and the coil will drop temps really easily and struggle staying at the temps you want.

Ive watched a few videos explaining it on youtube but my math is horrible so i got lost once they showed an equation that was 90% letters. hahaha

According to shipping everything should be here by saturday unless it gets slowed down and since most of it is USPS thats highly likely. But monday at the latest for all parts including the stuff from auber.
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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Math aside, the way they work, is pulse the power on and off. The closer you get to set point, the more time between pulses and the shorter their duration.
 
budbro18

budbro18

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Glad to have you along for the ride! PID anad SSR came in yesterday, bouta go down and pick it up. Hopefully everything else will be in by the end of today but i feel like at least 1 thing is gonna take til monday.
 
budbro18

budbro18

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Got most of my parts in so far! Pid and ssr are in the office and i already have the box and mini xlr male/female. Gotta grab a dremel from my friend and grab a soldering iron with a super fine tip at harbor freight because this mini xlr is gonna be tough to wire. The contacts are so small. But shouldnt be too hard.

Ill have all the pictures up tomorrow and by monday it will be in operation. Gotta wait for the power cord and the power inlet/switch/fuse but ill have everything about lined up before then. The wiring diagram will be easier too since im using the switch/power inlet combo. Dont have to run a line to the front of the box for the power switch. But the wiring of the power inlet/switch is a little confusing but shouldnt be too hard. Gotta grab fuses for it too because for some reason they couldnt toss in a 1 dollar fuse. haha
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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What did the observant onlooker say to the Wolf? Why the long face?

Sitting here with everything but the PID controllers and mah long face hanging out.

Been cruising the Goodwill stores for the perfect living room end table re-purposed enclosure. Something to contain both the pipe and coil, PID controls, and some activated charcoal to exhale through, so as to scrub the smell. So far the best candidates were an old radio cabinet and a small speaker. Hee, hee, hee, snicker, snark, snort...........

Hardly subtle hauling out a blow torch, and I have to be concerned about the odor of my property. I live within a couple blocks of two schools, with student traffic by my house, as well as the traffic of the professional drug dealers whom service them, and the neighbor across the street is a disabled and retired ossifer of the law, not to mention that a local US Senator frequently jogs by. Not uncommon to have one of my professional neighbors drop by, some of which are my age and know what cannabis products smell like.

I'm also the former block watch captain, sooooo I know that some of them are frightened by the prospect of cannabis in the hood, and are beyond education because their Limbic system takes over any time the subject comes up.

I have already identified who and what I am to the current block captain, as well as the US Senator, because I have nothing to hide, but generally eschew broad casting it after watching the reaction of some neighbors that I thought were sympathetic, and clearly recognize the need for a simple unobtrusive system for at home vaporization.
 
budbro18

budbro18

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You could always hollow out a book! Someone posted a picture of a company that sells 3d printed ones in the shape of books. Its back a page or 2.

Besides that have you considered getting a smoke buddy?? Ive seen chubbs use em alot when he shot videos in his old office and smoked alot of bud.

Theyre about 10 bucks on ebay or amazon.

I was feelin the same way yesterday because my PID was delivered but the stupid people in the office couldnt find it. And im not one to be assertive enough to tell them to keep looking when they have other things to do so i figured id grab it today when hopefully a different one of the ladies is there.

For a second i thought that the place was closed on sunday because i have 2 more parts coming in and was pissed im not gonna get em til monday. And somehow i made the connection of the office not being open on sunday so i wouldnt be able to get the PID til monday either. But its not so im probably gonna go down there right after i get my day started. Gotta straighten up around the house and shit. Get ready to do some seriously small soldering on this mini XLR

Also fade, my box is very very small and discrete so if youve been following along with the build and bought similar sized things it shouldnt be too tough.

DISCLAIMER!! IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING THIS THREAD TO THE t THAN YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO BUY THE SAME PROJECT BOX JUST YET. I MAPPED IT OUT BUT MIXED UP 2 OF THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PID CONTROLLER SO IM NOT SURE HOW TIGHT OF A FIT IT WILL BE.

Im gonna be determined to make it all fit but it is going to be a very tight squeeze.

My project box is 6.25 x 3.75 x 2.4

Id recommend one that is a little longer if possible. Width and height of the box seem to be more than enough room so since i have alot of headroom i might be able to get creative with mounting everything and make it fit without doing anything crazy.

If you find a project box that is 6.5 to 7 inches long that would probably work a little better and give you a little more breathing room.
 
budbro18

budbro18

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Heres my plan of attack. No wiring diagram yet but ill work on that once i see how everything will be laid out and it is to scale.






Heres the mini XLR just so anyone who hasnt seen one or worked with one will know how small shit is.

 
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