I got them when I got some clones from a friend. They really suck bad. And are hard to get rid of. I started out with lady bugs and that knocked out alot of them but didnt get rid of them. Then I bought some fruit safe bug spray from walmart. That didnt work either. I ended up getting a couple foggers from the local hydro shop. Used them 3 weeks in a row and havent seen any since. What a pain in the ass.