Questions about ph...

sm0keyrich510

Active Member
i have a few questions about ph as ive never had to do much other than check my ph (its usually at the right level) but id like to know what are some diy ways of adjusting the ph?

i cant see spending $20 per bottle for a ph up and a ph down when more than likely there are simple methods using household items to raise/lower the ph for a fraction of the cost of a bottle.

so what are effective ways to raise/lower ph in soil?

please let me know what and where these items can be found...ty:weed:
 

Spanishfly

Well-Known Member
I just bung in some lime and leave it at that. Never even measure pH - like most plants MJ is very pH tolerant and there is just no need to overfuss.

IMHO more harm is done by noobs poisoning their plants with pH up/down chemicals.
 

sm0keyrich510

Active Member
I just bung in some lime and leave it at that. Never even measure pH - like most plants MJ is very pH tolerant and there is just no need to overfuss.

IMHO more harm is done by noobs poisoning their plants with pH up/down chemicals.
so you suggest just squeezing a lime into my water when i do water the plants?

is lime used to raise or lower ph (i forgot to be honest)??

how many limes and how often?

any/all info you have please.
 

Kerovan

Well-Known Member
I'd help. but I am not going to help anybody tryring to set us back in our marijuana laws by telling people to vote no on prop 19. That is just stupid. Every reason they give on that web site is stupid.
 

Nullis

Moderator
I'd help. but I am not going to help anybody tryring to set us back in our marijuana laws by telling people to vote no on prop 19. That is just stupid. Every reason they give on that web site is stupid.
Then why even post in his thread? Why not just PM him to inform him his views are stupid?

As for lime, it isn't lime the green citrus fruit he is referring to. It is lime as in garden or dolomite limestone which is calcium carbonate or calcium magnesium carbonate, respectively. Crushed oyster or eggshell is also primarily calcium carbonate. In fine powdered form these things will raise pH to an acceptable range (not below 6 nor over 7) and are fast acting.

Lemon or lime juice (as in the yellow or green citrus fruits) are in contrast quite acidic, and thus can be added to water to lower pH. Typically we don't need anything to make the soil anymore acidic because the nutrients do that, and soil amendments such as sphagnum peat moss.
 

Jeffdogg

Well-Known Member
White Distilled vinegar to lower the PH and use baking soda to raise it. This is the third time I mention this today in these forums it wouldn't hurt if you tried searching through the first couple pages of each forum mate. I promise on my life its not gonna kill you. Ive used it many many times and have survived every single one :D
 

Kerovan

Well-Known Member
Then why even post in his thread? Why not just PM him to inform him his views are stupid?
2 reasons.

One is I had already typed out a reply, but then as I looked at my screen I noticed the signature, so I deleted what I had and then retyped that message.

second reason is we need to squash that type of message now, before they set back marijuana reform about a hundred years.
 

sm0keyrich510

Active Member
Then why even post in his thread? Why not just PM him to inform him his views are stupid?

As for lime, it isn't lime the green citrus fruit he is referring to. It is lime as in garden or dolomite limestone which is calcium carbonate or calcium magnesium carbonate, respectively. Crushed oyster or eggshell is also primarily calcium carbonate. In fine powdered form these things will raise pH to an acceptable range (not below 6 nor over 7) and are fast acting.

Lemon or lime juice (as in the yellow or green citrus fruits) are in contrast quite acidic, and thus can be added to water to lower pH. Typically we don't need anything to make the soil anymore acidic because the nutrients do that, and soil amendments such as sphagnum peat moss.
thank you VERY much. just what i was looking to find out. when i read lime i was confused because i was thinking the citrus fruit and i figured, "thats gotta make it more acidic" then boom you clear it up. thank you.

I'd help. but I am not going to help anybody tryring to set us back in our marijuana laws by telling people to vote no on prop 19. That is just stupid. Every reason they give on that web site is stupid.
2 reasons.

One is I had already typed out a reply, but then as I looked at my screen I noticed the signature, so I deleted what I had and then retyped that message.

second reason is we need to squash that type of message now, before they set back marijuana reform about a hundred years.
so because we share different views you feel the need to be a jerk about it? if thats the case don't reply to my threads. i dont post in someones thread that says, "vote yes on 19" just to bash em or take their topic off-topic. For the record me helping someone on this forum has nothing to do with how they feel about prop 19.

why? because overall we all want the SAME thing...freedom...rights...etc.

just because two sides see it differently doesn't mean be a jerk.

i want legalization as much as anyone does really. i'd love to be able to see people walking their dogs puffin on some herbs but under the prop 19 policy it just seems like a horrible idea.

AND how is prop 19 failing gonna send us back marijuana 100 years? you act like if it fails everyone will turn on mj and outlaw it 110% again...thats NOT gonna happen NOR is it possible...prop 215 is already in place...written in stone...prop19 failing wont also get rid of prop 215...marijuana will NOT go back "about a 100 years"...in 2 years they will have something similar on the ballot and HOPEFULLY the people get their heads out of their...(well you know) and write up a proper measure and see how easy it passes once corporate/commercial greed are out of the equation and they stop trying to limit, control, and run this industry.

but im already getting off topic. point is i dont let a minor policitical view run my life. i got love for you all...pro 19...or against 19 because we all are working for the same end result. 19 is just poorly written. if you seen cannabis planet on tv (friday) then you would see exactly HOW and WHY 19 is a bad idea. that dark skinned chick (cant remember her name) confirmed everything i've been saying since day one.

attorney reviewed the measure and agreed it can/might/probably WILL change things for medical cardholders as well...further proof. i trust an attorney before i trust faceless people on a forum (no offense).

i just want the drama to stop over prop 19...just because i oppose it doesnt mean i hate weed (i love it been using for almost a decade) or hate stoners (some of my best friends are stoners to the T) or hate legalization (i luv the idea)...

im just as human as the rest of you. im just not wanting to see people get caught in the hype of 19.

unlike some of us i dont take a persons stance on 19 to heart. just dont wanna see people vote based on lies.
 

TheAngryLiberal

Active Member
yea those reasons are fucking retarded. Their logic is the feds can still get you so lets keep it so the local pd can too, yea that makes sense!?
 

Kerovan

Well-Known Member
if you don't want to see people vote based on lies, then you shouldn't direct them to that website full of bs.. Let them make their own decision.
 

Nullis

Moderator
It does seem like a recipe for disaster, it just does. If Proposition 19 passes while the CSA still dictates that cannabis is a 'Schedule 1' substance and thus any possession, sale, or cultivation is still federally illegal and a pretty damning offense...what do you suppose is going to happen? When the Attorney General and so-called 'Justice' Department in our 'land of the free' has made it loud and clear that if we don't like the law and go about changing it- well it doesn't fucking matter because the federal government said so.

So when P19 'passes' and later on down the road some poor schmuck obtains the permits or whatever for his 'legal' commercial cultivation operation so that he can help to provide cannabis for adults 21 and older... well what do you think is going to happen to him and his 500 cannabis plants, and all of his money and personal property? And what do you think is going to happen to your average law abiding, legal cannabis providing citizen- and all of their money and personal property? Feds are going to have a fucking field day.

More of these resources from the 'legalization' community could be put to better use, first assuring that nobody is going to be imprisoned or loose their rights and privileges for simple possession. A state-wide decrim measure, while not 'ideal' would have much less impact and and face less resistance. Before cannabis can actually be considered fully legal, and before we can achieve any actual freedom- we need to send a message to our federal representatives, officials and agencies reminding them where they're from, what role they are supposed to play and who pays them. We need to amend the CSA and deschedule cannabis or else assign it a lower schedule and leave it up the States on an individual basis to determine the legality of cannabis. In order for this to happen we need 268 members of congress to agree that cannabis should be legislated at the state level. We need these 268 members of congress to severely limit the authority of the DEA to persecute the innocent, including medicinal and recreational cannabis users- or else loads more of us are just going to get screwed.
 

sm0keyrich510

Active Member
yea those reasons are fucking retarded. Their logic is the feds can still get you so lets keep it so the local pd can too, yea that makes sense!?
prop 19 is flawed in the first place...so why vote it in especially if the feds have went on RECORD saying they will go after those under prop 19 for possession, cultivation, etc. why? what sense does that make? im pretty sure the average voter isnt aware of this in the first place anyways...so those saying vote yes on 19 are really the ones trying to fool people.

idk what yes on 19 hopes to accomplish when the feds are basically letting you know right now that voting yes will simply be a waste of time.

thats why i believe legalization MUST happen on a federal level...otherwise the feds will just keep stepping in...so all these states aren't going to be able to legalize on a state level (as i predicted because it will allow safe zones for criminals to operate...ie cultivate in cali and take it to other states where its illegal for a bigger profit, etc)

besides all the bs with the feds its still a horrible measure...if they advertised prop 19 for what it really is then i bet this race wouldnt be so close. its really just a legal formality for big commercial businesses to take over the market...like phillip morris (cig maker) who was questioned about if they are planning to grow marijuana crops...(its been rumored they bought land strictly for this purpose)...and guess what? they declined to answer...you only decline to answer in a situation like this if its true as going on record to deny that wouldn't hurt their business...but saying yes may...or may bring more competition to them.

i hope it doesnt pass...those rich cig companies dont need any more $$$ then they already have in my opinion (especially with cigs being $7+ per pack these days).

to lower i use lemonjuice,limejuice,vinegar. to raise i use baking soda, oystershells ,eggshells,crushed coral or driftwood.
thank you for the tip as well.

if you don't want to see people vote based on lies, then you shouldn't direct them to that website full of bs.. Let them make their own decision.
i can't just sit back and watch the people of california make a horrible decision. prop 19 just benefits the people at the very top and bottom of the food chain...everyone in between gets cut out...only occassional/casual smokers and big business benefit in the end...not you or i....nor the community...id like to think we are not as dumb as the authors of 19 think we are. i refuse to vote yes and fall for this trick...its just a legal loose end to tie up (prop 19) so they can set up shop and run the market...making the consumer its bitch.

you can waste your time and vote yes on 19 but just remember what the feds have went on record saying...so even if it passes it will be shot down in the end...feds get the last say on a measure like this.

It does seem like a recipe for disaster, it just does. If Proposition 19 passes while the CSA still dictates that cannabis is a 'Schedule 1' substance and thus any possession, sale, or cultivation is still federally illegal and a pretty damning offense...what do you suppose is going to happen? When the Attorney General and so-called 'Justice' Department in our 'land of the free' has made it loud and clear that if we don't like the law and go about changing it- well it doesn't fucking matter because the federal government said so.

So when P19 'passes' and later on down the road some poor schmuck obtains the permits or whatever for his 'legal' commercial cultivation operation so that he can help to provide cannabis for adults 21 and older... well what do you think is going to happen to him and his 500 cannabis plants, and all of his money and personal property? And what do you think is going to happen to your average law abiding, legal cannabis providing citizen- and all of their money and personal property? Feds are going to have a fucking field day.

More of these resources from the 'legalization' community could be put to better use, first assuring that nobody is going to be imprisoned or loose their rights and privileges for simple possession. A state-wide decrim measure, while not 'ideal' would have much less impact and and face less resistance. Before cannabis can actually be considered fully legal, and before we can achieve any actual freedom- we need to send a message to our federal representatives, officials and agencies reminding them where they're from, what role they are supposed to play and who pays them. We need to amend the CSA and deschedule cannabis or else assign it a lower schedule and leave it up the States on an individual basis to determine the legality of cannabis. In order for this to happen we need 268 members of congress to agree that cannabis should be legislated at the state level. We need these 268 members of congress to severely limit the authority of the DEA to persecute the innocent, including medicinal and recreational cannabis users- or else loads more of us are just going to get screwed.
exactly. the feds are gonna make the biggest busts in history and the growers wont even realize it until its too late as their business will be conducted in plain view.


its sad people have read this and are still walking around saying, "vote yes on 19" ...my response is, "for what?" because they are just going to nip it in the bud anyway (no pun intended).

im not giving big business another avenue to get rich either...
 

guy incognito

Well-Known Member
I refuse to vote for anything unless it allows me to inject heroin directly into my brain. Why try to gain rights incrementally? Just hold out for the holy grail that will grant you all the rights you are supposed to have.
 

Kerovan

Well-Known Member
this is a shot across the fed's bow. They are not going to come marching into the largest state by population and the largest economy in the country with the army are start arresting everybody. This will cause the marijuana laws on the federal level to be reexamined. Especially if it pushes other states to start initiatives like this.

Yes there will be some busts, but it will really push the national argument for legalization forward by leaps and bounds.
 

guy incognito

Well-Known Member
I would like to see that though. Every single citizen in cali arrested for growing some plants. Not only do they not physically have the resources to do that, I think it would finally get some attention if they tried.
 

sm0keyrich510

Active Member
this is a shot across the fed's bow. They are not going to come marching into the largest state by population and the largest economy in the country with the army are start arresting everybody. This will cause the marijuana laws on the federal level to be reexamined. Especially if it pushes other states to start initiatives like this.

Yes there will be some busts, but it will really push the national argument for legalization forward by leaps and bounds.
I would like to see that though. Every single citizen in cali arrested for growing some plants. Not only do they not physically have the resources to do that, I think it would finally get some attention if they tried.

i agree that its not gonna be possible for the government/army/whoever to simply come in the state and arrest everyone...that is true.

however lets not forget the government is not powerless and wont stand to be pushed around...ANY national government (in the world) can NOT allow itself to be pushed around...especially by one of its own states. just because it passes don't expect the feds to say, "ok you got us...do what you will"....just not gonna happen...

if they don't go after the biggest/baddest growers (as i expect they would) they will drop the hammer in another way...money is going to be the first thing to cut off as its the most important to cali (or any state for that matter). if the feds announce they will not give cali any grant money (for example) then the state is going to be in serious trouble...if that were to happen don't think the state is going to stand behind 19 and forget about the grant money, etc.

if that threat is made then you can count on cali to pull prop 19 off the books...

no one can argue that cali will choose to comply for the grant money...im also sure the government is more than aware of how much cali depends on federal help $$$ wise..



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